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RE: FOD damage...could this be true??? - 6/10/2005 1:08 PM   
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RE: FOD damage...could this be true??? - 6/10/2005 1:37 PM   
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Russian are not so bad...


I took a short flight once in a military (well, ex-military) Russian helicopter over st. Petersburg. Now that was a scary flight... I've heard it said that Russian top brass are not allowed to fly in these things anymore because they are too dangerous. Three words: duct tape repairs...

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mmm, it could just be the bigger version of a jetjoe


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RE: FOD damage...could this be true??? - 6/10/2005 4:33 PM   
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Just trust me on this. Stay away from ANYTHING thorjet. When that thing explodes in your face....

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RE: FOD damage...could this be true??? - 6/10/2005 4:43 PM   
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Russian are not so bad...


I took a short flight once in a military (well, ex-military) Russian helicopter over st. Petersburg. Now that was a scary flight... I've heard it said that Russian top brass are not allowed to fly in these things anymore because they are too dangerous. Three words: duct tape repairs...


That's freaking absurd. The Russians make great aircraft, particularly helicopters, and the Russian "top brass" fly in them all the time. Aeroflot is still the biggest airline in the world, last I looked. I have been aboard an American Airlines 767 which had "duct tape"(actually what they call 600mph tape) on the wings, too. You get into an old ex-military helicopter at your own risk, be it American or German or French, depends who has been maintaining it...I have flown in some of the Russian ones, they are just fine. Tough as nails, as a matter of fact.
Don't let your prejudices against the Russians and Chinese show too much. I don't even LIKE the Russians or Chinese, but I won't denigrate their work based upon who they are, it reminds me about how people looked at the Japanese before WWII and then got such a RUDE surprise from the Mitsubishi Zero, the Long Lance torpedo, and some of the finest warships in the world...


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RE: FOD damage...could this be true??? - 6/10/2005 4:54 PM   
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Don't let your prejudices against the Russians and Chinese show too much.


I wasn't... as I implied, the problem with much of their stuff is indeed maintenance rather than design (and the maintenance of many aircraft used internally is dire). As for Russian engineers, knowing a couple of them and the way they work in their Design Bureaus, I'd say they can out-engineer most of the western or asian engineering outfits.

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RE: FOD damage...could this be true??? - 6/10/2005 4:57 PM   
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Maybe that story isn't true, but a similar story about British Airways, of all things, is true.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/02/world/main677536.shtml


I reckon the British are quite scary (read as gung ho when it comes to flying) - I flew on dozens of charter flights in and out of the United Kingdom on DeHavilland Comets and the planes and flying always made me very nervous!! Engines not starting, crews lifting floor panels in flight, strange & noisy vibrations, technical problems, landing on frozen runways.......the list goes on .......not fun. However their planes are pretty hardy.


Very original ET.

Just how many times have you actually flown in Russian and BA aircraft? I have flown in both more times than I can remember and

given the choice, I would rather fly BA any time !


Now who was it that invented the jet engine and had the first passenger jet ......mmmm I wonder.............


Muxje - we flew out of the oil fields in old Russian Mils, they had holes (bullet ??) in the floor and rattled like hell, but they kept going - didn't enjoy that either.


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RE: FOD damage...could this be true??? - 6/10/2005 5:04 PM   
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RE: FOD damage...could this be true??? - 6/10/2005 5:14 PM   
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Henri Coanda made the first jet engine in 1910

http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Coanda-1910&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1




Take a look at this


http://www.answers.com/frank%20whittle

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RE: FOD damage...could this be true??? - 6/10/2005 5:21 PM   
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Coanda`s plane even flew with this jet engine

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RE: FOD damage...could this be true??? - 6/10/2005 5:33 PM   
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"Whittle was one of the first men to associate the gas turbine with jet propulsion" one of the first....not THE first


Coanda`s plane even flew with this jet engine


For about 10 seconds


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RE: FOD damage...could this be true??? - 6/10/2005 5:48 PM   
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"Whittle was one of the first men to associate the gas turbine with jet propulsion" one of the first....not THE first


Coanda`s plane even flew with this jet engine


For about 10 seconds


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RE: FOD damage...could this be true??? - 6/10/2005 5:49 PM   
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Aircraft are designed to cope with failure. Perhaps they don't have many simulators in China so they go in for it with straps. The danger there is the guy walking the wing in flight to let the straps off when the simulated engine failure is over........

Has anyone drivin on Chinese roads? I am led to believe they have less discipline and that due to the understandable honour system, the just close their eyes in the event of a head on crash as it would be dishonourable to "chicken" out. So perhaps it would be dishonourable to abort take off due to damaged fan blades.

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Volkan,

Let it go, it is reverse pshycology, but if I may you may wish to choose your words a little more carefully, there are passions abound when JJ is mentioned and I would suggest your second post a little naive, but knowing all your other posts I just think your humour is being misunderstood.

But to be mischief maker myself, just post how LONG Thorpe have been in business.........

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RE: FOD damage...could this be true??? - 6/10/2005 6:12 PM   
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Very original ET.

Just how many times have you actually flown in Russian and BA aircraft? I have flown in both more times than I can remember and

given the choice, I would rather fly BA any time !



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RE: FOD damage...could this be true??? - 6/10/2005 7:32 PM   
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RE: FOD damage...could this be true??? - 6/10/2005 7:54 PM   
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RE: FOD damage...could this be true??? - 6/10/2005 8:20 PM   
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Coanda`s plane even flew with this jet engine

For about 10 seconds



Yeah, c'mon - everybody knows that flights have to be at least 12 seconds (Wright Brothers), not just 10, for them to matter !

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RE: FOD damage...could this be true??? - 6/10/2005 9:12 PM   
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It was meant to be a joke with me and SJ,
I did go a bit to far lol. I didnt mean to throw abuse
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RE: FOD damage...could this be true??? - 6/11/2005 5:50 AM   
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Coanda`s plane even flew with this jet engine

For about 10 seconds



Yeah, c'mon - everybody knows that flights have to be at least 12 seconds (Wright Brothers), not just 10, for them to matter !


Damn. Nobody's going to top that. Nice one, Gordon.

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RE: FOD damage...could this be true??? - 6/12/2005 3:56 AM   
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RE: FOD damage...could this be true??? - 6/12/2005 4:05 AM   
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RE: FOD damage...could this be true??? - 6/12/2005 10:06 PM   
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Ducted fan stuff may be old hat now, but not all of us have the budget or the flying sites to fly Turbines so we have to settle for D/F and Thorjet allows us to get into the Jet model scene cheaply and simply.

I have never had any problems with their fan units especialy NOT exploding in my face......

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RE: FOD damage...could this be true??? - 6/13/2005 3:17 PM   
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RE: FOD damage...could this be true??? - 6/13/2005 3:40 PM   
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RE: FOD damage...could this be true??? - 6/13/2005 4:04 PM   
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"Whittle was one of the first men to associate the gas turbine with jet propulsion" one of the first....not THE first


Coanda`s plane even flew with this jet engine



Here is the full paragraph - not an extract to suit your argument!

Whittle, Sir Frank, 1907–, English aeronautical engineer. Whittle was one of the first men to associate the gas turbine with jet propulsion. Previously the gas turbine had been regarded as a machine for supplying shaft power, but Whittle saw it as an ideal means for providing jet propulsion in aircraft. As a Royal Air Force engineering officer, he patented in 1930 the basic designs for the turbojet engine. During the 1930s and early 1940s he and his associates constructed a number of turbojet engines and jet planes. These experiments led to the modern jet aircraft engine. The Germans and the Italians who constructed and flew the first jet aircraft used the basic engine designs that Whittle patented in the 1930s; the early American jet engines were also based on Whittle's work.

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RE: FOD damage...could this be true??? - 6/13/2005 4:11 PM   
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