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RE: .28 in a funfactor? oh dear.... - 9/22/2005 12:23:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		yea, nothin we can do about the cen feedback situation i guess, but it still winds me up!

regards running in the cold - ppl have said on here and the good ol wildhobbies (RIP) forum that engines dont get up to temperature and wear a lot quicker - come the summer theyve had little or no compression, but it seems ok back in the winter. some used foil around the head, some had seperate pistons and sleeves or complete engines for winter and summer running. depends just how cold it gets i suppose - but running in snow will surely make the motor run too cool.

seen many a long thread arguing all this, so there must be something in it! personally, if its cold outside then i aint gonna stand around freezin me nuts off driving around or get a cold finger whacked by a spur or whatever, nevermind risking a sleeve and piston... but then - i aint racing as there is nothing round here.

maybe worth getting another os18 from the US as a summer motor? if thats the engine u intend/are allowed to race with that is... 90 bucks...

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RE: .28 in a funfactor? oh dear.... - 9/22/2005 12:39:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		All sorted on the engine front. I have a spare NT16 sitting around. As long as I am allowed to use it in the ST series, thats what is going in. If I end up using the Savage, I will be taking the RB out and putting the original S25 back in. If I cant use the NT16 but till fancy racing the CEN, I am thinking about picking up a rear exhaust .12 specifically to use in racing. I will see how everything shapes up first though.

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RE: .28 in a funfactor? oh dear.... - 9/22/2005 12:50:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		sounds sensible mate, a rear exhaust .12 should be the way to go. not being funny, but if its a goer u might want to start a thread to gather as much info as poss - hope u can finally race it, i felt for u when u were told the funfactors werent allowed to race last time around. i think that cenracer may well be able to help u out with this.

all this winter talk and the suns out here and its about 20 degrees - ha, gonna have to take the truck out to the beach shortly i reckon.

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RE: .28 in a funfactor? oh dear.... - 9/22/2005 1:10:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yup, lovely here too. Think the Savvy may make an appearance this afternoon. Let you know what I break later on!!

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RE: .28 in a funfactor? oh dear.... - 9/22/2005 7:37:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		did i get to break mine first? melted/welded the clutch shoes to the bell tonight whoops - guess some 1.0 springs might be worth a go.

got some pics of my truck "on location" and some shots of my bash spot. i was by myself so no action shots im afraid. clutch only lasted 2 tanks anyway!



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RE: .28 in a funfactor? oh dear.... - 9/23/2005 3:51:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Your spot looks like a blast.
Mine is mainly my back yard which is about 1 acre and the driveway and road. Unfortunatley my wife won't let me tear up the grass to make a proper track.

Have you looked into these, http://www.novarcproducts.com/clutchshoes.html
A set of those shoes with Mugen 1.0 springs would definitely be an improvement over the fiber ones.


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RE: .28 in a funfactor? oh dear.... - 9/23/2005 1:35:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		cheers for the link rolland.

its the mugen alloy shoes that ive given a bit of a battering on mugen 1.1mm springs.

ive fitted a cen 11t pinion for the time being, as i seem to have a whole load of them all of a sudden... well 6 of em... if i stay off the real soft sand they do last a bit better, and the clutch is a lot happier with the 11s. the engines torque eats them after 5 or 6 tanks tho. the reason i fitted the cen 11t is that i broke the ofna clutch bell trying to get the 11/15 gears off it yes i heated it up to break the thread lock etc loads of times. sick of buying parts now/still/again...

as soon as i lose the 11t, i will try the 14/18 in 2wd again - its got enough grip not to be too daft in 2wd - still havent tried the buggy wheels (silly things) will give them a go too... when it stops raining...

will order some replacement shoes, 1.0mm springs and new 11/15 and/or 12/16 ofna bell, new bearings, and pinions in the meantime.

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RE: .28 in a funfactor? oh dear.... - 9/23/2005 7:57:08 PM   
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those damn 11t pinions... they just split and flyoff everytime now. 5 hard launches and thats ur lot! didnt expect em to last long, but thought they might have the decency to stay there and get stripped at least... tut. ofna ones are on their way.

only ran the mt tyres due to lack of light - went out a bit later than last night. tried to get some pics of the launch... very tricky! especially when its 4 goes and then - pop! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! frustrating...

noticed on one of my stripped 11t is a good bit thicker than my other cen 11t, and appears to have a little rust on it - unsure if its actually steel or if its a bit of cross contamination from the steel spurs. i remember noticing the extra thickness of the gear (in between the teeth, in the "valley" of the teeth when i got the pinion. it was from ebay and advertised as a cen pinion but wasnt in cen packaging, just a plain plastic bag. typical, no traceability...



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RE: .28 in a funfactor? oh dear.... - 9/23/2005 10:01:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		If thats the CEN clutch bell, I ran that on my CEN with the OS.15 in and even that motor stripped the teeth! I got the impression that if it had been there for much longer, it would have looked just like the one you have there. Have you considered going single speed? All those lovely hardened clutch bells and spur gears, you would be spoilt for choice!

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RE: .28 in a funfactor? oh dear.... - 9/24/2005 4:02:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Try the 14/18 with the buggy wheels in four wheel drive. You engine and clutch setup should have no problems with that combo.

What about using a heavier spring to slow down the clutch engagement? The sudden impact of all that power from the engine is what is killing the pinions.

I switched over to the HPI bells and haven't had a problem with them so I forgot about the need for 11T steel pinions there has to be a solution out there other than custom. I will have to start looking around again.

What about going to a single speed like Scouser said? You said that you did get it to shift and it was to fast/uncontrolable.

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RE: .28 in a funfactor? oh dear.... - 9/24/2005 12:36:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		i can still go hardened steel on a 2 speed with the ofna bell, so im going for that i reckon. the 11/15 should be great now ive removed a wobbly spacer from my engine mounts - dont ask, its sorted now!

2nd gear with the 14/18 pinions is the scary bit with tmaxx tyres on, its hard on the clutch too. what i really need is a 47t cen hardened spur for 1st gear, that would sort everything out! seeing as thats not happening tho, i have to go to the smaller pinions. now ive got it shifting properly the 11/15 should be very fast but still controllable.

a single speed wont have the punch off the line that i have now, which is kinda the point of the .28, or it wont have the top speed i want, depending on the gearing of course. with the buggy wheels on i might get away with the single speed, but im not intending to run them all the time, was gonna use them on the 18 centre diff chassis...

not going out again till the ofna bits arrive, i will only kill my clutch and/or pinions.

cheers for the thoughts tho guys, its so close now to being finished and reliable... reliable? i think so...

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RE: .28 in a funfactor? oh dear.... - 9/25/2005 5:03:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		my latest project - http://spaces.msn.com/members/robncarrie/ probably wont mean a lot to anyone, but its a very special little car to me. the rc might finally get put on the back burner - i mean it this time!!

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RE: .28 in a funfactor? oh dear.... - 9/25/2005 6:20:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		I can honestly say I have never seen one befrore. It is a interesting looking car especially for a Honda. The only old Hondas we have over here are the small front wheel drive CVCC's, nothing like that.



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