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RE: Hydro-Foam by Michael Connally - 4/10/2006 7:20 PM   
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Roger,

You're the man......Excellent thanks for the advice I'll give that a go next weekend. I've had contacts from others so I'm sure they'll also be please to see your advice.

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RE: Hydro-Foam by Michael Connally - 4/10/2006 7:35 PM   
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no problem...hope it works...if it doesn't, then the next thing to do would be to swap out the Rx. When it works correctly, you should hear a sequence of descending beeps ending with a high note as well as a few buzzes from the servos. Have fun!

BTW: we're getting in the new Ikarus Wizards in 2-3 weeks so if you or any of your mates are interested I still have a few of these available for pre-order. ..both ARF (w/o electronics) and RTF.

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RE: Hydro-Foam by Michael Connally - 4/10/2006 8:41 PM   
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eek, I've not heard good things about the way the wizard flies. Bad move puting the motor that high up. Makes it very unstable.

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RE: Hydro-Foam by Michael Connally - 4/10/2006 9:00 PM   
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I haven't tried it yet but German engineering usually speaks for itself..most of the time .

Double deck looks like it might be more stable but only one way to find out...!

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RE: Hydro-Foam by Michael Connally - 4/10/2006 10:52 PM   
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with hydros it's very different. You want the motor close to the water line. Just ask C/F he knows all there is to about why these things are stable, unstable, fly well, don't fly well. The threads over on RCGroups are not very flattering to this hydro. It's the only one that puts the motor that high up and that is not a good thing.

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RE: Hydro-Foam by Michael Connally - 4/11/2006 12:21 AM   
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Agreed if you shop around and take feedback all over the internet you will invariably end up ordering red's miss hangar one and building it yourself. Their is plenty of room for different things in this hobby, i suppose a lot of people are having fun with their spinoffs and that's good, i'm all for that, but i really dislike those crooks who prey on beginners and sell them junk that a pro couldn't fly decently, great way to frustrate people right out of the best hobby on earth. Thumbs up to those who help beginners achieve success, their real reward will be loyal customers who spend most of their time and money in the hobby and will do business with them for a long time.

To those who wish to fly these unusual looking aircraft but have no prior flight expericence at all, or no aileron/elevon flight experience: GET A SIMULATOR!!! Aerofly pro deluxe is the way to go imho. But again their are alternatives, the choice is yours. Just GET TO WORK ON A SIM!!! If you can't fly in there don't kid yourself, that boat is coming home from it's maiden in pieces i guarantee you.

I know a beginner who trained on the sim. He ignored my suggestion to fly 30 mintues per day while trying a perfect landing after every time he crashed. After only a little practice he thought he'd be ok, took his plane out. Both his first flights lasted about 30 seconds. Fortunately he has an EPP plane that sustains very little damage when crashing (he listened to my advice to get an epp trainer, at least) I later learned by having him fly on the sim before me that he is not able to make a turn with the aircraft pointed in his direction and does not know what the rudder is for.


While the other side of the spectrum, another student really did his homework on the sim and flew his first flights through a buddy box, well, he flew around quite nicely and greased 3 perfect landings right in the middle of the strip without his instructor's help.

so yeah... spend some dough on aerofly pro deluxe and crash a couple of thousand planes. Do master landings in it too, it's all too easy with these sims for a beginner to crash a million planes, become a decent aerobat and develop confidence, but still have no idea how to land... When you think you are getting good, every time you crash a plane take off again then try to come in for a nice landing immediately afterwards.

If you can't fly away from yourself, come back, fly away, come back then setup your approach and land without getting confused don't even think of flying even a parkflyer without an instructor, the result would be frustration and possible financial loss, definitely a boat/plane looking rough and being heavy from all the repairs, at best...


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RE: Hydro-Foam by Michael Connally - 4/11/2006 1:15 AM   
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i found out that micheal connaly lives about an hour away from me ,maybe ill fly with him once i finish my hydrofoam from hanger one hobbies. thad be awsome , proud to be texan!

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RE: Hydro-Foam by Michael Connally - 4/11/2006 8:25 PM   
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You are 100 % correct about mtr. position on a hydro. I built a fan fold faam mho while waiting for my real mho to arrive from Red. I built it 15% longer and 20% wider than the specs I got from these post. It weight was 20 oz. and had a hymax 2812-1080 for power. It was mounted 1 1/2 in. above the water line and flew like a clark Y inverted trainer. After reading some post, I think think by C/L, I lower the mtr. to 1/2 above the water line .nd as close as possible to the cg without making it tail heavy. It now weighs 18 oz. and flys like a GP stick,and hovers and does harriers easier tha a 3d foamy. I wish Michael Connelly would design a mho that would take a 91 F S . Hey AFPLIZ , That would be a good project for you. I would be your first customer.

Afliz

You made a very good point about beginners buying "junk" being discourage, and leaving the hobby.

Thank God for RCU.


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RE: Hydro-Foam by Michael Connally - 4/12/2006 12:13 AM   
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I have both the Wizard and the MHO. The MHO is more stable in flight than the Wizard. The Wizard is a lot lighter. The #1 problem I've had with the Wizard is the c/g is marked to tail heavy. With power off the Wizard will tuck its tail under...i.e. there's no chance of trying to get any type of glide out of it. I moved the c/g 5mm forward of the marked position and it now flies fine both power on and power off. Still the MHO is a better flier in my opinion. Now a MH1 that weighs~9oz or less with a PP motor would be the cats meow. My MH1 is 13.7oz and the Wizard is ~8.5.

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RE: Hydro-Foam by Michael Connally - 4/17/2006 1:49 AM   
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Agreed if you shop around and take feedback all over the internet you will invariably end up ordering red's miss hangar one and building it yourself. Their is plenty of room for different things in this hobby, i suppose a lot of people are having fun with their spinoffs and that's good, i'm all for that, but i really dislike those crooks who prey on beginners and sell them junk that a pro couldn't fly decently, great way to frustrate people right out of the best hobby on earth. Thumbs up to those who help beginners achieve success, their real reward will be loyal customers who spend most of their time and money in the hobby and will do business with them for a long time.



Being a beginner, figure maybe i could help steer someone else in what i feel is the "right" direction, if you got into this the same way as me.

In Jan this year, a guy at the office showed me this cool RC Boat video(the Ernest/MC one), and I thought, cool, then they flew up in the air and on the grass and on the road and i said, i gotta get me oneathose. Unlike one guy in the office, who immediately went on ebay and bought a chinese clone, I found myself at RCG reviewing posts about flying boats, realizing they are not all equal. I also soon realized that the one in the video is not available!...After spending an entire weekend, literally, reading posts and threads about hydros, mostly the MHO, Prop-ers plans and the original, I realized that this flying boat thing is guarenteed to be in a thousand peices after about 10 seconds if i dont learn to fly rc first. Keep in mind I have no RC experiance.

After about a week of continuing to look up different threads about flying boats, I chose a person that i thought seemed knowledgable and experianced in RC enough to make a request to about RC flying in general and explain my goal of wanting to fly the MHO. Just so everyone and there brother doesnt start PMing him, I will leave his name out, but anyway I PM'd him and asked if he could refer me to some books or something in general about rc flying and building and he said no, not really, but if i can help you let me know.

My ultimate goal from the begining was to fly the Miss Hangar One. I knew it would be a process to learn to fly and also costly, my intial estimates were about 4-500 bucks...now I am realizing it will end up costing a lot more, since this will likely be a lifetime hobby for me. I bought a Hitec flash 5sx radio and FMS cable and practiced a lot. He suggested i get an easystar, since I am not planning on getting any help to learn to fly, he thought this is probably one of the best self trainers available due to its resiliance when crashed and pusher prop setup. I downloaded the FMS model and learned to do simple patterns back and forth and practiced landing over and over...I learned my orientation by paying attention to proping up the wing with the stick trick. When the plane is flying toward you, push the stick toward the low wing to bring it up. It has helped a lot and I have yet to have a damaging crash with the easystar in about 10 flights at local parks in winds up to 15 mph.

Since then, I built a GWS Slowstick with ailerons, as an aileron trainer. My next project is a YUK YUK PBF(pizza box flyer). This is on the bench right now. I should have all the parts to finish is by the end of the week. This plane is a thrust vectoring trainer. Since the MHO flys on the same principles, this model should be a little more resiliant to crashing for me to get used to before building and flying the MHO.

I can say that I am super excited about building and flying my first MHO. It should be built by summer and hopefully i will be ready to pilot it too...Thanks to all those that are on these boards sharing information for all to learn from. I will be posting my progress as i continue to learn either here or at RCG.

I guess the moral to my story is...find a mentor! Whether it is the guy at your LHS, local club or some guy 1000 miles away online, it is far better than going at it alone. It makes me sad when newbies post questions and get barraged by answers to their questions...who should they follow? what answer is right? This is part of the reason I went to one person for help. Takes away the constant question of am I making the right decisions?

Anyway, I realize this is not an MHO thread, but there is no MC/Ernest model, yet this thread continues...



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RE: Hydro-Foam by Michael Connally - 4/17/2006 3:01 AM   
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You did the right thing...start with a trainer and work your way up. Way to many people try to start off with something that's way beyond their capability, crash, complain about all the money they just wasted and go home. I worked (part time) at my LHS and steered countless people away from what I knew they could handle and would just want their money back. (Amazing how you can crash a plane and demand a refund, yet if they bought a car and crashed it they wouldn't be demanding the dealer give them their money back).

The EasyStar and Slow Stick are great planes for the bigger. I prefer the Slow Stick because of it's slow speed ability, but it is more damage prone with the thin metal stick for a fuse. I glued two Slow Stick wings together and made a fully symetrical one with ailerons. I had a blast with it. It was more manuverable, but lost its slow capability. I also fly an EasyStar (with ailerons) that I use as a platform for a small video camera. It works great for that purpose with the pusher prop.

Now back to MHO discussion. In the latest Quiet Flier there is an article about some of the Hydros available. Only three were compared (four if you count one manufacturer had both a V1 and V2 tested). The MHO came out as the best flier, but as a kit it was marked down for not being an ARF. Oh well...it's not that hard to build anyway. The article also mentioned the AirHogs hydro that (might) be out one day...using thrust vectoring.

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RE: Hydro-Foam by Michael Connally - 4/19/2006 4:29 AM   
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i cant afford a real rc sim so ive done my best at using a windows 98 flight sim

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RE: Hydro-Foam by Michael Connally - 4/19/2006 5:58 AM   
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fms is free, it's not the greatest but it will help develop reflexes of knowing what to make your thumbs do when you are standing at the ground with the plane coming at you inverted!

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RE: Hydro-Foam by Michael Connally - 4/19/2006 6:26 AM   
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Hi
The Tri Fusion Hydro Foam by Air Hogs will definitely be coming out later this year. Of course, It well be ready to fly And should be able to be flown by any beginner.
I think it is great that the whole Hydro Foam thing has brought new people into this hobby, and that some are going all out just to learn and fly one.
It does sadden me with all the cons out there trying to take advantage of the idea by selling junk. All I can say is step lightly
I would also like to say that we plan to release the original Hydro Foam after the release of the Tri Fusion. It will be sold as a kit and will definitely not be for beginners.

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RE: Hydro-Foam by Michael Connally - 4/19/2006 2:39 PM   
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If I'm not mistaken, this is the new design version that Connelly has assigned his rights to.

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RE: Hydro-Foam by Michael Connally - 4/19/2006 3:11 PM   
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If I'm not mistaken, this is the new design version that Connelly has assigned his rights to.

Yes , that is correct. Mike and I are partners in this deal. He created the concept and the miss fan fold.
The Hydro Foam, and the Tri Fusion were my design, that we worked together on.

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RE: Hydro-Foam by Michael Connally - 4/20/2006 2:44 AM   
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Finally...I kept hearing about the Air Hog Hydro Plane, but could never find any information on it. The picture looks pretty neat. I look forward to seeing it in the stores.

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RE: Hydro-Foam by Michael Connally - 4/21/2006 2:00 AM   
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oh no, i bet the quality of the air hog version isnt goin to be great, oh well, better keep an eye out at wal-mart. i think it will be around 50.00$

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RE: Hydro-Foam by Michael Connally - 4/21/2006 4:30 AM   
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What makes you say that? The aero ace is regarded as one of the best, fun, planes out there for the price it's at. Also a great plane for a true beginner. Just because it's in walmart does not make it a peice of junk.

I bet this hydrofoam handles very well. Mike and Ernest deserve to make a great amount of money from this and I for one will be buying one of these to make sure that I show support for these guys. I'll also be buying the kit when it becomes available (and the 4Q that thing is amazing) to go along with my Miss Hanger One.

I gotta start saving my pennies lol...

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RE: Hydro-Foam by Michael Connally - 4/21/2006 5:46 AM   
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Lostsoul makes a good point, to each his own, bear in mind the tri fusion is a toy intended for the general market and people with no prior flight experience.

I think it's great that there are mainstream, cheap flying toys that actually work as advertised out there. Nothing does more good to the hobby than that. They bring people into the hobby that otherwise may not have developed interest in it at all.

I had rc cars and trucks as a kid, most of them were toys. Believe it or not what got me started back into the hobby is a 10$ radio shack zip-zap that i bought for laughs a few years ago... It didn't take me long to start crawling around the web looking for better stuff. A few thousand dollars later and here i am with 2 rc cars, 3 planes ready to fly and a bunch of kits i haven't even built yet! If it hadn't been for that 10$ zip zap god knows what would occupy my free time, but it'd probably have nothing to do with rc flight...

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RE: Hydro-Foam by Michael Connally - 4/22/2006 4:52 PM   
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I've only been flying my mho in winds under 6 mph. How does this bird handle in winds 10 mph an higher?

My mho has really spoiled me. I have'nt gone out to club field yet to fly my nitro birds. Now that spring is here. I just go to the park and fly electric.

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RE: Hydro-Foam by Michael Connally - 4/23/2006 6:26 AM   
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I've only been flying my mho in winds under 6 mph. How does this bird handle in winds 10 mph an higher?

My mho has really spoiled me. I have'nt gone out to club field yet to fly my nitro birds. Now that spring is here. I just go to the park and fly electric.

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I've flown mine in 10-13mph It's not as much fun obviously but it can be done. In the air it's not so bad, though the lack of airfoil makes it get slapped around quite a bit. surface behaviour; it has a really hard time fignting wind with the rudders so you will be able to make a really tight turn to one side but only go straight if trying to turn the other way, the side on wich it can turn depends on the direction of the wind of course, you'll develop a feel for it pretty quick. Yours is on the heavy side if i recall, this should only help it's wind handling potential.


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RE: Hydro-Foam by Michael Connally - 4/24/2006 2:20 AM   
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ordered my 4 channle futaba wth 3 micro servos and receiver for 99.00$, should be here on thursday, all i need now is my kit to come in from california..................

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RE: Hydro-Foam by Michael Connally - 4/24/2006 2:23 AM   
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i didnt say it was going to be bad, i didnt mean to offend you , but all i said is it isnt going to be great.its not going to be like a 200.00$ super quality airplane. but i do hope its good, when it comes out ill probly get one to fly with my hydrofoam.

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RE: Hydro-Foam by Michael Connally - 4/26/2006 2:01 AM   
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Thanks for the mho in the wind report. You are a confidence builder indeed.

I took two nitro birds and two elect birds , one of which was my mho, to the club field mon.. Winds were on the low side of 10 mph . Almost a perfict day. When I brought the mho out, WE became the center of attraction. Everybody thought hrdros were hard to fly. when ther saw how stsble they were, They wanted one.

I know now why I fly nitro birds. It gives me something to do while the lipos are charging. lol

I only wish I could express my feelings better about Connallys hydro.

Onne happy flyer

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