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RE: Hydro-Foam by Michael Connally - 3/1/2006 3:16 PM   
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RE: Hydro-Foam by Michael Connally - 3/1/2006 4:16 PM   
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RE: Hydro-Foam by Michael Connally - 3/1/2006 5:03 PM   
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Hepdog over on RC Groups made one. It's amazing looking and flies great. His videos are posted here (look for hepdog's posts)
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=442681

I want one

Note: I believe the gun on the front even spins. Check his gallery on RC Groups, lol here's that video of the gun.
http://www.rcgroups.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=29819&sort=1&cat=500&page=1




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RE: Hydro-Foam by Michael Connally - 3/1/2006 7:20 PM   
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RE: Hydro-Foam by Michael Connally - 3/1/2006 8:55 PM   
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Look at the video, it flies like a airfoil-less pig! They even modified the speed of the video in a pathetic attempt to make it's flawed flight characteristics less obvious.

1800mah lipo = way too heavy for a plane of this type...

Get a miss hangar one and build it from hand picked components, that's the only way to go... all these spinoffs with central rudder are just junk. Period! The miss hangar one is the only one that has been propperly engineered to actually fly like a plane, this thing looks like the pilot is struggling all the time in the video...

When you make a promotionnal video you take it of a competent pilot and show the best he can do. Either the video pilot SUCKS or the aircraft sucks. IMHO it's the plane that is the problem as even a beginner can fly the mho MUCH better than that without changing video speed.

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RE: Hydro-Foam by Michael Connally - 3/1/2006 9:42 PM   
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RE: Hydro-Foam by Michael Connally - 3/1/2006 10:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		solucky,Yes I can read and I can make some conversions, $50 for a 28inch 6 pound box is WAY too much, I can get another one of mikes hydro s for that without your e sky radio and no name brushless, with your tone sounds like you won't be getting much business.

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RE: Hydro-Foam by Michael Connally - 3/1/2006 11:23 PM   
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this is a rather closed market, everybody talks and information travels fast, people are highly informed about products they buy.

your boat is dead in the water my canadian friend...

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RE: Hydro-Foam by Michael Connally - 3/3/2006 2:45 AM   
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http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=miss-hangar-one-10mb-tide

Hey by the way how many letters has been sent your way from SPINMASTERS lawyers with your repeated use of the trademark registered HYDRO FOAM remarks???

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RE: Hydro-Foam by Michael Connally - 3/3/2006 3:48 AM   
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Now if you could provide a REAL performance video, like this, You could sell them at will for $500 + $50 shipping/handling ready to fly MINUS a transmitter as I do, AND I have to turn them away.......

http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=miss-hangar-one-10mb-tide

Hey by the way how many letters has been sent your way from SPINMASTERS lawyers with your repeated use of the trademark registered HYDRO FOAM remarks???



Hey! c/f so we agree then! Extremely questionnable product, questionnable business ethics. As much as i'd like to see a fellow Canadian succeed i can't approve of this! Why no wing loading specs? Why no measurements and all up weight specifications? Yeah i thought so...

The sad thing is he's not the only one out there making crappy copies of michael connally's original design. This one is a particular insult. I would have been proud to find a Canadian company who, with red and michael's approval put together an rtf hydro foam with propper design, auw, assembly, electronics etc... and marketed that. This on the other hand is just plain disgusting. Shame on you!

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RE: Hydro-Foam by Michael Connally - 3/4/2006 12:27 AM   
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RE: Hydro-Foam by Michael Connally - 3/4/2006 7:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		What I find sickening with the whole hydro craze is that VERY few will create a video showing their model taking off water ,grass, hardsurfces, 3D hovers and aerobatics.

The original Ernest Butler one did,

Reds HANGAR one did.

Splash 3D did.

And one in Michigan did cant remember name.


I was around the since the inception and the world started a thread to reverse engineer it. To get the performance in all mediums was not easy, sure they looked like one but flight envelope stunk, thats where most all designs of today are stuck.

What I find interesting is I attended the GREAT PLANES E-fest, I was there from 6;30AM - 5:30PM on Saturday. There was hobby lobby with the graupner model, there was FMA with their newest ARF, and atlest one other 3 rudder thing under a table. NONE but my HANGAR one took to the air, I had to dodge 20 + planes in the air just to get in 3 flights. The Manufactures had time set aside to demo their stuff and I thought for sure HL and FMA would take advantage , but they did not. This is puzzling to me and I really see no excuse for it.

Check out this link from AMA associate editor shoot. page 9-10 are Miss Tide.......

http://public.fotki.com/benlanterman/e-fest/page10.html

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RE: Hydro-Foam by Michael Connally - 3/11/2006 6:58 AM   
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Hello everyone,

Check out our website at www.realhydrofoam.com. Our hydro foam comes assembled and ready to fly right out of the box, unlike the others out there.

Enjoy.


You know, I can't figure out if thats so sad it makes me laugh, or so funny it make's me cry......

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RE: Hydro-Foam by Michael Connally - 3/11/2006 7:43 AM   
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Back to the topic, my miss hangar one must have 20-30 flights on it, i just installed a 1300kv outrunner i bought on ebay, i havent flown it yet but i think it;s promising to be better suited than my rimfire. it comes with 9x4.8 props that look pretty nice for low rev 3d on a really light model. Probably on 2 cells as it is rated for 10 amps and i stopped applying throttle on 3 cells around 16-17 during a load test just to see how far it'd go. Funny thing is it has the power the magnets are really strong and revs just keep increasing but i am assuming the motor wouldn't last very long propped like that. (plus it would have too much torqe and would make too much roll twitch in the miss hangar one. So i tried an apc 7x4 slowflyer prop, a perfect size prop for this application. It wants to pull out of my hand with authority at 12.5 amps static wot on the power meter. this is good, just a little over spec for the motor, but we all know loads decrease as speeds increase. My smallest pack can do. This motor weighs around 30 grams, maybe 37 with connectors and mounting plate, screws etc... Not as ideal as the elusive purple peril but hey i got it in a timely fashion.

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RE: Hydro-Foam by Michael Connally - 3/11/2006 7:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		My mh1 has about 9 flights. It"s teaching me how to hover and harrier. I'll always have one. I love it on the snow, not to good on grass, can hardly wait for my clubs water fly-in.

My mh1 weighs 14.2 oz.., and I"m very happy the way it flys. May-be because I"m not that good.(yet).

I just ordered a hitec 05ms rec.,and a 12amp. esc..Total savings .7oz, This will be my first single conversion rec. so I"m a little afraid of it. Do any of you guys use SC recs.? May- be I"ll go to from a 1350ma tp tp to a 910ma tp later.

I build a fan-fold- foam mh1 while I was waiting for Red"s mh1 to arrive. I took the design off these threads. It has a mh1 bottom with a Gee-Bee profile fuse. It"s flyable, makes a good puddle jumper. lol.

What suprises me most about Red"s mh1 is how easy it is to fly. The hard part is seeing a boat up there. Boats don"t fly, and yet , there was one comming at me 50 ft. off the deck,and I was flying it. Or was it flying me? (moments to remember) WOW

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RE: Hydro-Foam by Michael Connally - 3/11/2006 7:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		i crashed two planes with a 05ms, would ground test fine but fail badly once in the air. that's 2 crashes, one before and one after warranty service. i use an old futaba r114f (11g) in the mho at the moment, but i have a berg microstamp 4l on the way from castle creations. only 4 grams! check out fma direct rx's. i'm not too fond of their boat plane immitation in comparison to a miss hangar one but i am satisfied with my rx from them.


It still messes with my head how such an unconventionnal contraption can fly that well. harriers feel like youre flying a giant 50% scale 3d plane, well, i have never flown a real 50% but at least like those in the simulators.

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RE: Hydro-Foam by Michael Connally - 3/11/2006 8:21 PM   
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Thanks for the fast reply. Now I wii put that 05ms in a fan fold bird and fly it orouhd for a long time.

On the 05ms range-check, ant. down, how many paces did you get ?

How about this ? Let"s make fan-fold hydro -planes, sell them for one-dollar, fifty-dollarls shipping? You make the video?

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RE: Hydro-Foam by Michael Connally - 3/11/2006 9:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm about to put one of the Hitec Micro 05S in my E-Flite ultimate. I researched the receiver quite a bit before I bought it. I found very few people with problems. Definitally more people with issues on the GWS R6NII which is what I have in mine now and it's also single conversion. I was just out at my field today and my Hitec Electron 6 was glitching like mad. I just can't win when it comes to receivers. I'll give the 05S a shot. Can't be worse than the GWS one.

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RE: Hydro-Foam by Michael Connally - 3/11/2006 10:06 PM   
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Thanks for the fast reply. Now I wii put that 05ms in a fan fold bird and fly it orouhd for a long time.

On the 05ms range-check, ant. down, how many paces did you get ?

How about this ? Let"s make fan-fold hydro -planes, sell them for one-dollar, fifty-dollarls shipping? You make the video?

Matt



with red's plans i'm sure i can make a fanfold mho and shoot a video of better quality than the one you are probably referring to. Heck my friend shot some footage of me last year flying around with my extra 300s (ultrafly) I only had about 4mths flying experience and a 4ch beginner tx with no expos on it and the flight looks a lot more under control than that hydro foam copy. see for yourself; (bear in mind that thing is a handfull and the winds were pretty turbulent that day)

www.putfile.com/aflipz

click the windows media thumbnail bottom left

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RE: Hydro-Foam by Michael Connally - 3/11/2006 10:07 PM   
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Have you been flying your hitec 05s for awhile, or is it new ?

I"ve flying a hitec electron 6 in my mho ( 9 flights ) with no problems.

I should have never asked these rec. questions. Gonna get us all spooked.

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RE: Hydro-Foam by Michael Connally - 3/11/2006 10:09 PM   
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tx on ground, antenna collapsed well over 100 feet, all throttle positions and servo travels actuating; not a single sign of trouble. 100 feet in the air; total loss of control


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RE: Hydro-Foam by Michael Connally - 3/11/2006 11:10 PM   
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I watched your vid on a 36in. screen. You are quite an accomplished flyer, and fly with alot of authority. I never seen a bird fly in the sun. Twice ! Only four months flying. GEESE. Your just a natural.

I would like to see a video of you flying a mho if you ever make one.

Thanks for the rec. info.

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RE: Hydro-Foam by Michael Connally - 3/12/2006 12:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the huge compliment! I would like to have some footage of all my planes especially the mho in the snow, planes come and go but vids of you flying them make great souvenirs that you can keep as long as you wish.

I am really not an accomplished flyer, more an advanced beginner. if you give my tx to a pro, film his flight in the same conditions and compare our footage the difference will be tremendous especially to the trained eye. But I do love this hobby and practice every chance i get. Who knows, maybe with tons of practice and propper litterature i will one day fly at that level. If not it doesn't matter because i'm having a blast and that's about all that counts in this hobby! It's something you just want to share with everyone around you isn't it?

Am i the only rc evangelist in here? (doubt it)



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RE: Hydro-Foam by Michael Connally - 3/12/2006 2:22 AM   
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God gave you a wonderful "gift", and the need to share it. I hope you never put it aside.

I had that "gift" a long time ago. I used to fly patterd ships; kwik-fly, kaos, torris, candy,etc..I would fly every morning, weather permitting, before going to work. After awhile, I noticed something happening to me. When I flew ,I was in my bird ,looking at me fly. It seemed as if my mind was doing the flying, not my thumbs,

does this happen to you ? At first it last for seconds, then minutes out of each flight. Then goes longer.

This may sound strange, but it"s true. Is it starting with you?

ama 10411

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RE: Hydro-Foam by Michael Connally - 3/12/2006 6:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've not had a chance to use the receiver yet. It just came in the mail today. I am sick and tired of the GWS receivers so I decided to give this one a try on my bipe. I found tons more positive experiences with it than negative so that's why I got it. I'll let you know once I have some time on it what I think.

I went out today and was getting some nasty glitching on my Electron 6. I used to never get glitches on that one. My parkzone electronics are still dead solid though lol. Never once had a glitch on those

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