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Ama Renewal Fee - 10/11/2002 5:16:51 AM   
Cyclic Hardover



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Just got mine in the mail. $58.

1. I get neat stickers!
2. Little wallet ID card with my number.
3. A totally useless magazine. :
4 In the magazine, Dr Sandy Franks Monthly report rarely if ever say anything about New Mexicos 900+ AMA members. Its always Texas. Can't wait until this fool gets voted out along with our own local rep Buzz Averil who contributes nothing to this area at all.
5 $2,000,000 insurance which will not pay out because my homeowners is the primary so what is the point.
6. Its funny, we have one major scale event here which is professional in everyway. We require you to be AMA but when you think about it, really don't have to be since AMA gives us absolutely nothing towards this event!
7 Did I mention the Stickers?

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Yea. . . its all about the stickers - 10/11/2002 5:27:46 AM   
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You come up with a lot more good things about our AMA than I have in the past. But did you know that some of the stickers can be used on BOTH sides! Hey and what about that wonderful headquarters. . . you gotta love the headquarters:-)

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AMA - 10/11/2002 5:58:17 AM   
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I'm sorry!!! I've got to respond. I've been reading all of the post here for quite some time. While the AMA may not be perfect and I know i could find something to **** about, I feel it's not my place to complain because I'm not stepping forwad to do something about it.

Yes, I got my renewal, and promptly sent it in. Someone once told me that if you don't like the way things are run, either do something about it or never vote for an incumbent.

While the AMA may not be perfect, what have you done to change it. In 1984 my son and I helped with the NATS....he still talks about it as one of the best times he's ever had.

In 1990, he applied and was given an AMA scholarship toward his college education. He got this because he took the time and applied and didn't just sit and complain.

If you don't like the train you're on, get off and get on a different one. No one is forcing you to ride.

Just my nickels worth!!!!

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Re: Yea. . . its all about the stickers - 10/11/2002 6:24:46 AM   
Cyclic Hardover



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[QUOTE]Originally posted by fly109
You come up with a lot more good things about our AMA than I have in the past. But did you know that some of the stickers can be used on BOTH sides! Hey and what about that wonderful headquarters. . . you gotta love the headquarters:-) [/QUOTE]


Thanks alot, I just tossed out last years stickers, There still in the trash and I just have to check that out.



Also as far as doing anything about it. It is almost impossible since it is a "good ol boy" type election. I have sent in numerous complaints to Dave Brown. The proof is in the magazine. You tell me what an entire District VIII column on a Wedding in Indiana has anything to do with the State of New Mexico. The couple wasn't even from District VIII! I'm sorry but this is stupid and Mr. Brown is up there doing nothing about it.

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It aint all sickers and paper - 10/11/2002 6:51:10 AM   
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Well I can't say I am happy about the dues increase.
With that said the AMA is the organization that keeps this sport organized. No organization is perfect. The AMA does a lot more than print stickers and publish a magazine. There are a lot of hard working People with the AMA. I had a lot of disscusions with some very helpful people at headquarters last year when our club was having trouble. There are people like Joe Besher who helps sucure flying sites. Jack Frost who promotes education.
and the list goes on.

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Ama Renewal Fee - 10/11/2002 6:59:13 AM   
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Cyclic Hardover, you might be right. Dave Brown might not have done a thing about it. But......what have you done except complain???? Why don't you run for office.....how about an area VP???? Nothing changes if you don't do a thing about it.

I don't do anything either, but I'm not going to complain.

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These Are Great Stickers - 10/11/2002 7:50:56 AM   
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Paero,

I am glad you asked the question "what are you doing to change it"

Well for me I am continually pointing out problems in hopes that the average AMA member who says things like "While the AMA may not be perfect and I know i could find something to **** about, I feel it's not my place to complain because I'm not stepping forwad to do something about it." (please do not take this the wrong way), I just see the AMA for what it is. It is a Self absorbed bueocracy whos only purpose has become to secure its own future, possibly at the expense of its membership.

In a continual effort to open the eyes of the average AMA member to the enevitable future I make statements such as this. To the uninitiated it may look like a simple "****ing" but in fact I am just a participant in the "Bosten Tea Party" of the AMA. Its about time!

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Re: AMA - 10/11/2002 7:51:09 AM   
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by paero
If you don't like the train you're on, get off and get on a different one. No one is forcing you to ride.[/QUOTE]

That's a nice phrase, but it's got little to do with my reality. The field I fly at requires AMA coverage. My options are to be an AMA member, or not fly.

The AMA is increasingly out of touch with the needs of its members. The only reason why the organization continues is that modelers are obligated to become members for insurance purposes. The AMA doesn't seem to acknowledge this situation, even though its mandates have created the circumstances.

How can an organization that doesn't recognize its primary purpose be effective? The AMA exposes that its purpose is to further the hobby of model aviation. They seem to believe this is primarily done in two ways: competition and the ongoing development of the national flying site.

How many of us are active in competition? How many have been to Muncie? How many have been there more than once? More to the point, how many would join the AMA there were a substitute insurance program available?

I'm not about to run for an AMA office. I want as little to do with that continuous SNAFU as possible. The moment a viable alternative exists I'll be leaving the AMA. If our leadership was actual leadership, they would acknowledge this situation and correct it.

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complain - 10/11/2002 7:55:17 AM   
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I'll tell you what he has done. He has sent in his 58.00 which gives him the right to complain. It's the least you can let him do!

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Ama Renewal Fee - 10/11/2002 8:02:11 AM   
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$58 for the AMA membership, $20 or so to the IMAA, $50 for the local club dues.......... Having the enjoyment of being able to be a part of this wonderful hobby......... Priceless! No complaints from me, nothing is cheap these day's. My wife complains of this being an expensive hobby. I keep telling her that I could be doing something more expensive. A $25,000 Harley or a $20,000 bass boat. Let's not forget what the insurance cost for those things and no stickers or magazine. I believe the $10 increase is most likely to cover the growing concern of liabilty and lawsuits. If you can get this cheaper through your local insurance agent then get it. I would guess that it would cost much more than your yearly AMA dues. Relax, go flying and enjoy.

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Re: Re: AMA - 10/11/2002 9:29:09 AM   
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by MikeL


That's a nice phrase, but it's got little to do with my reality. The field I fly at requires AMA coverage. My options are to be an AMA member, or not fly.

The AMA is increasingly out of touch with the needs of its members. The only reason why the organization continues is that modelers are obligated to become members for insurance purposes. The AMA doesn't seem to acknowledge this situation, even though its mandates have created the circumstances.

How can an organization that doesn't recognize its primary purpose be effective? The AMA exposes that its purpose is to further the hobby of model aviation. They seem to believe this is primarily done in two ways: competition and the ongoing development of the national flying site.

How many of us are active in competition? How many have been to Muncie? How many have been there more than once? More to the point, how many would join the AMA there were a substitute insurance program available?

I'm not about to run for an AMA office. I want as little to do with that continuous SNAFU as possible. The moment a viable alternative exists I'll be leaving the AMA. If our leadership was actual leadership, they would acknowledge this situation and correct it.
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Yuk, MIKEL or whoever you are in the real world. You write that feces above here and in another thread you write:
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Sorry, Horrace, but you're not the person I want representing me in any way. I'm not impressed with your "ideas" or your attitude towards others. You aren't a team player, and would just lend your hand to the EC getting nothing productive done.

You had your chance.
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Well, Bud you have had a chance to get someone that will slow down and redirect the current move in AMA to blow it apart with multiple corporations. probably destroy the IRS 501 (c) 3 status, and now you can look out for Insurance costs in the hundreds of dollars, within a few years.
You P & M about the leadership and what AMA doesn't acknowledge. Mr. ??? the current AMA Pres. and Ex VP know darn well what they are doing, which, IMO, definitely doesn't concern the promotion of model aviation. You will run somewhere else the first chance you get, yet you know all about what *should* be.
You don't know "Leadership" when it's staring you in the face.

You had YOUR chance.

Horrace Cain

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Ama Renewal Fee - 10/11/2002 9:31:02 AM   
MikeL



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Let's not forget that I'm not the one pretending to have the answers.

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Re: These Are Great Stickers - 10/11/2002 9:42:46 AM   
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by fly109
Paero,

I am glad you asked the question "what are you doing to change it"
//SNIP//
I just see the AMA for what it is. It is a Self absorbed bueocracy whos only purpose has become to secure its own future, possibly at the expense of its membership.

In a continual effort to open the eyes of the average AMA member to the enevitable future I make statements such as this. To the uninitiated it may look like a simple "****ing" but in fact I am just a participant in the "Bosten Tea Party" of the AMA. Its about time!
[/QUOTE]

Pat, your RCR columns are just great. You definitely point out some big problems with AMA administrative functions.

The current AMA top officers are certainly securing their future with this separating AMA into multiple corporations and building an Insurance consortium. Yet it is going to take some kind of Tea Party to wake up this generation of modelers.
Frank couldn't do it. I am not doing it very well, and there isn't much time left, especially if Holland gets back in. AMA as we have known the AMA will disappear within the next 3 years.
The AMA membership will be the tea.

BTW, have you read the AMA document 560, Code of Regulations.
If that becomes the AMA standard for Clubs, then the Tea Party just might have to get REAL BIG.

Good Luck

Horrace Cain
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Ama Renewal Fee - 10/11/2002 9:51:42 AM   
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Why doesn't the AMA offer a membership without a magazine at a reduced rate?

Greg

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Yo, Cyclic.... - 10/11/2002 10:39:10 AM   
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1- See them letters on the wing of my ol' Kaos ?
( that's my girlfriends name...." AMA " ) :
Got a couple planes with her name on 'em.
2- What's up with your personal mail-box ?
3- I'll be at the TOC Sat., for the Semi's.
4- I'll trade 'ya a pretty blue " Aresti " sticker for
one of them AMA stickers. Last one I saw was in
1989.

Take care, Bro....Dave.

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