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    RE: New Hanger 9 p-51 mustang **Trainer?!?** - 5/5/2008 4:06:19 AM   
    beatlebum


     

    Posts: 73
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    From: orange city, IA, USA
    Status: offline     		After reading so far the 80 or so pages ive read is to ditch the speed brakes makes it way to slow. Plus i prefer the looks of it without them. Its still a slow plane from what i gather with the stock 3 blade. so this is how it will be on its first flights. I would have added the servo already for the flaps but from what ive read it does something with the buddy box. so im leaving it like this for a while. the next step is to even out the flaps then the next it to remove the wing droops and add a servo.

    And for the person that asked about the second picture. yes that is the weights. its actually 1.50 and i also swaped the rx and battery around so the battery is father back. Ive read that some have needed as much as 2.25 to balance out. But a nose heavy plane is always better than tail heavy. My trainer was afraid to do the maiden with it today because of this. He didnt want to wreck it and since im a noob to planes i dont blame him one bit. I'm taking my camera with me next time to show him haha, and the manual.

    Orange city iowa is 30 min north east of sioux city.

    At least i got to watch some of the others fly and since our field is right by the airport some of the guys from the airport had real sport planes out doings some stunts for us flying inverted and doing some loops and roll's. Its the first nice day above 70 we have had all year.

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    RE: New Hanger 9 p-51 mustang **Trainer?!?** - 5/5/2008 12:38:04 PM   
    jim pettis


     

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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: beatlebum
    I did taxi around the driveway these things dont turn very sharp do they.



    I never used the stock tail wheel, so I can't say how well it turns with that. I went right for the Sullivan tail wheel, and increased the rudder throw to 2" or so. I can get a 180 degree turn in 20' or less on a grass runway.



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    RE: New Hanger 9 p-51 mustang **Trainer?!?** - 5/5/2008 2:16:15 PM   
    RedTwilight



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    Joined: 1/15/2006
    From: Hurdle Mills, NC, USA
    Status: offline     		I first flew mine with the trainer prop and speed brakes and no flaps. From that experiance I say remove the speed brakes. They make the plane kinda "wiggly" (for lack of a better term) in the air. I guess the way the air is deflected off them. Never have flown with the flaps. I installed the servo and only deployed them twice to see how effective they are. They really slow the plane down. But I've still haven't used them during take-off or landing. The trainer prop does really slow the plane down alot. The tail wheel I immediately switched the foam for a rubber tailwheel. Then after many flights the original tailwheel wire broke. I replaced that with a Sullivan unit. I did use the stiffest wire I could find in my supply box so that I'd had a little more steering feel on our runways rough grass.

    As far as autos- well in addition to the Cobra I also have a '93 5.0 coupe. Right now it has just a few bolt-ons, but maybe one day I can have that twin turbo 410 windsor under the hood I've been dreaming of.

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    RE: New Hanger 9 p-51 mustang **Trainer?!?** - 5/5/2008 2:30:23 PM   
    Pit-Viper 1



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    From: Westminster, CO, USA
    Status: offline     		My advise on this plane, if it is indeed your first, is too fly it as it is until YOU are comfortable with it. I was very fortunate that I caught on too flying very easily and removed everything after 3 or 4 flights. You can change the prop right off as you can control the throttle but I would leave everything else on. I've seen it on here a a bunch of times where someone gets convinced that this thing will fly itself and it ends on the first flight in a garbage can.. Most people spend their own money on these things, so take your time until you're comfortable enough to remove everything.

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    RE: New Hanger 9 p-51 mustang **Trainer?!?** - 5/5/2008 3:23:29 PM   
    CloudSkipper


     

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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: jim pettis
    quote:

    ORIGINAL: beatlebum
    I did taxi around the driveway these things dont turn very sharp do they.

    I never used the stock tail wheel, so I can't say how well it turns with that. I went right for the Sullivan tail wheel, and increased the rudder throw to 2" or so. I can get a 180 degree turn in 20' or less on a grass runway.

    Speaking of ground handling, this being a "progressive trainer", is it less tail draggy? I'm thinking mostly with respect to take off. From what I understand, the main gear is more angled forward than normal which should help. So assuming you have the proper amount of toe-in, assuming a 46 2 stroke (instead of a torky 4 stroke) and assuming a good ground surface, does it have less need for rudder/elevator on acceleration to take off? ... not that it should need much run way...

    Thanks

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    RE: New Hanger 9 p-51 mustang **Trainer?!?** - 5/5/2008 3:56:59 PM   
    f_shawn68


     

    Posts: 98
    Joined: 11/12/2007
    From: West Valley City, UT, USA
    Status: offline     		No, it still needs right rudder on take off. Its a fun plane though. I never flew mine with the speed brakes or the 3 blade prop. I was advised to change it out to a 2 blade for get out of trouble power. I usually fly it at 1/2 throttle and it moves along pretty well but still slows well on approach. Several guys at our field have learned on this plane and informed me that the speed brakes make it hard to trim the plane as they cause alot of turbulance. I also installed the flap servo, but have never used it. It comes in slow and smooth without the need of flaps. I only needed to use 1 oz to balance mine with this setup.

    The issue with the flap servo is it wont work when hooked to a buddy box. Thats it. It doesnt cause conflict. Its really not needed though. I really like this plane. Cant wait to get the wing droops off and fly it at full sport settings. Although the wing droops saved me from having a wing from being sheared off in a mid air. They deflected the wing down and saved me from the landing gear on a giant taking me down.
    If you decide you want to run a 2 blade prop, pick up a 11x6 and a spinner and give it a try while your with your instructor. If its not for you quite yet, put the 3 blade back on. You may find it works well for you. I find that in flight, the slower speeds would cause the nose to dip in a turn. I didnt care for that.
    Good luck guys and enjoy the flying.

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    RE: New Hanger 9 p-51 mustang **Trainer?!?** - 5/5/2008 6:40:52 PM   
    Wild_CCR



    Posts: 255
    Joined: 1/8/2007
    From: LadnerBC, CANADA
    Status: offline     		CloudSkipper,
    it requires some rudder on take off, but not a lot. Its good to learn the rudder anyway, you'll be ahead of the rest right off the start.
    With the wheels so far forward, you "may" find it ground loops on a hard surface (landing), or a little difficult to keep straight as it slows to a stop,
    but on grass its just fine. The primary reason for the forward gear is to help prevent nose overs. It does that very nicely.
    You can zip around the ground w/ little worry of tipping forward. I flew from a tilled farm field for a month last year, landing between the rows
    that was different but it never once went **s over teacup.

    Don't think I'd try that now that it has retracts...

    Antenna: as mentioned already.
    keep it as long as possible( helps match the Tx wavelength )
    don't double it back on itself or make loops. Usually running it towards the back allows the full length to be
    used (Rx at nose end, as it comes from the box ).

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    RE: New Hanger 9 p-51 mustang **Trainer?!?** - 5/5/2008 7:06:54 PM   
    HUNTERANDJEFF


     

    Posts: 532
    Joined: 7/25/2007
    From: E. Wenatchee, WA, USA
    Status: offline     		Hey CCR, Jeff here. we had our Apple Blossom fun fly this weekend and it was a blast. Sunday was 75 degrees, sunny and absolutely not a breath of wind all day! Best one we have had and the best turnout yet. The sponsor for PAU planes was there and donated a arf to a raffle. I hope I win it! There were a couple of guys there that compete in unlimited IMAC and really put on a show with their Edge 540s. I flew my little mustang 5 times yesterday and was buzzing around with another one that is 60 sized and I was a bit faster than him. Really fun day. I still really love the way this little stang flies. I am about 90mph with it and it slows down to a crawl on landings. The only thing that I am going to change is putting retracts on it - As soon as I can get off of my lazy arse! Well, not lazy just have a boatload of other stuff to do - like the dreaded four letter word, WORK!
    Jeff

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    RE: New Hanger 9 p-51 mustang **Trainer?!?** - 5/5/2008 10:39:33 PM   
    wldhair


     

    Posts: 255
    Joined: 4/26/2008
    From: Osseo, WI, USA
    Status: offline     		So you're saying run the attenna out the back. But it seems to have enough lenght to possibly cause a prob with elevator / rear wheel . I ran mine forward from the exit hole and tapped it along the belly of the plane , as mentioned earlier in this thread . The attenna is fully extended . I hope this is ok .

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    RE: New Hanger 9 p-51 mustang **Trainer?!?** - 5/5/2008 10:53:23 PM   
    Wild_CCR



    Posts: 255
    Joined: 1/8/2007
    From: LadnerBC, CANADA
    Status: offline     		I'm not talking to you Jeff.... 75........... And no wind...grrrrr

    I've only been able to get out once, last wed. but this week evenings are looking good.....

    The retracts really make it look nicer, it doesn't look so awkward. Flies a little nicer too.

    How is that big bird pony coming along?
    I'm half way done the Hawker Typhoon but taking my time, won't fly it until
    I can grab a new Tx (JR9202 2.4) need 8 channels

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    RE: New Hanger 9 p-51 mustang **Trainer?!?** - 5/5/2008 11:03:22 PM   
    opjose



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    From: Poolesville, MD, USA
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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: f_shawn68

    I usually fly it at 1/2 throttle and it moves along pretty well but still slows well on approach. Several guys at our field have learned on this plane and informed me that the speed brakes make it hard to trim the plane as they cause alot of turbulance. I also installed the flap servo, but have never used it. It comes in slow and smooth without the need of flaps. I only needed to use 1 oz to balance mine with this setup.



    The speed brakes are designed to be used in conjunction with the flaps deployed.

    The flaps tend to cause the plane to nose up, while the breaks pull down a bit, so the two balance out.

    Couple this with the low speed prop and extensions, and a newbie can jam the throttle without the play screaming away beyond their control.

    If used as it was designed the combination of all of these things work well.

    The problems arise when someone ( and at times instructors ) take the plane up, find that it's seemingly too slow, and start advising that the aids be removed prematurely.

    In turn this results in some of the comments about the PTS being unsuitable as a trainer.

    The stock prop is meant to be used on a smooth runway.


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