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New Hanger 9 p-51 mustang **Trainer?!?** - 6/24/2005 12:27 AM  2 votes
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Status: offline 		Allright now everyone needs to check this one out.. P-51 mustang PTS
One of the benifits of being in the hobby business i get to see the latest and greatest coming out. Hanger nine is releasing a new design of trainers called the Progressive trainer system. I myself is having a hard time concieving the idea. Granted its great you could start flying with a standard looking plane but i think this breaks all the rules.
This RTF comes pakaged with the same stuff in their alpha 40 trainer, but a warbird... They state with the droops attached to the front of the wing will prevent a tip-stall of any kind which could cause the plane to start to spin..
I would like to hear what the rest of the pilots think of this..


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RE: New Hanger 9 p-51 mustang **Trainer?!?** - 6/24/2005 12:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Wing droops and speed brakes - it's a Nexstar in Mustang clothing hehe.

Not sure about this - and why would they put flaps on this when the 60 size doesn't get them??

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RE: New Hanger 9 p-51 mustang **Trainer?!?** - 6/24/2005 12:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		wow this would be pretty good.
I know alot of people that want to fly really want to fly warbirds.
but as you know, they are little hard to fly.

So something that is a trainer and looks like a warbird would be great.

Its good to see they are using the h9-mustang scheme so people won't feel like a newbie when they get in the air with this one.

I'm just not so sure about the low-wing design... and its also a tail dragger :/

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RE: New Hanger 9 p-51 mustang **Trainer?!?** - 6/24/2005 12:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		There are plenty of people on RCU, and elsewhere, who say a four star or other low wing plane makes a good primary trainer. With all the 'stuff' on it this plane probably flies a lot like a four star or similar model.

It might work for some students. I do wonder about the toughness and durability as a trainer. I suspect my first landing attempts would have ripped the gear blocks out of the wings of this thing; unless the ribs are all made of 1/8" ply and glued in with epoxy (which I doubt).

My "box with wings" has a substanial gear block with a lot of plywood supporting it.

With a good enough, and patient enough, instructor; any airplane "can" be a trainer. Based on descriptions of most low wing planes, this one probably is a 'go where you point it' model with little or no self leveling tendency.

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RE: New Hanger 9 p-51 mustang **Trainer?!?** - 6/24/2005 1:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		I know what everyone is saying. Once i saw it was a low wing + a tail dragger and the word trainer in the same sentance.. Something clicked in my head.. who knows. I think H9 knows what their doing, mike mcConville says nothing but good things about it.
So why does this plane have flaps and their 60 size dont? hmmmm

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RE: New Hanger 9 p-51 mustang **Trainer?!?** - 6/24/2005 2:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah But think how many people enter this hobby cause they want to fly scale... Alot of these people will sya "Hey there's a P-51 that can be used as a TRAINER!"

But I don't know how succesful they will be..

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RE: New Hanger 9 p-51 mustang **Trainer?!?** - 6/24/2005 7:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think they have a winner. High wing trainers are harder to taxi in a crosswind than a low wing plane.

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RE: New Hanger 9 p-51 mustang **Trainer?!?** - 6/24/2005 8:23 PM   
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RE: New Hanger 9 p-51 mustang **Trainer?!?** - 6/24/2005 8:48 PM   
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hacker C50-L with a 8s2p 4000 mah TP batteries will work on this one.


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RE: New Hanger 9 p-51 mustang **Trainer?!?** - 6/24/2005 9:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think it's a great move. You get your first and second airplane by only buying one. Mike even admits on the site that folks have to adapt and give into the conventional way of thinking that a trainer has to be a high winged airplane made of bricks. It may give those who accel and solo within 10-or less flights their money's worth.

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RE: New Hanger 9 p-51 mustang **Trainer?!?** - 6/25/2005 6:54 AM   
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RE: New Hanger 9 p-51 mustang **Trainer?!?** - 6/25/2005 9:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		ICE Man... Go here P-51 PTS

Still waiting on the price for it. their alpha trainer RTF we were selling for $269.. I think it probally start around $300 considering some of the hefty features on it. Ill keep everyone up to date. Kinda wish it was an ARF though. Gives beginners a little more freedom on what they want.

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RE: New Hanger 9 p-51 mustang **Trainer?!?** - 6/25/2005 10:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well I found the link yesterday I think it said $399.... But I'm not positive... i'm still a skeptic.. Even though I saw a Nexstar fly today and it was SLOOOOOW!

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RE: New Hanger 9 p-51 mustang **Trainer?!?** - 6/26/2005 1:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ya gotta admit; its a pretty clever idea.

I guess we'll how well it flies, figuratively as well as literally.

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RE: New Hanger 9 p-51 mustang **Trainer?!?** - 6/26/2005 9:56 AM   
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RE: New Hanger 9 p-51 mustang **Trainer?!?** - 6/28/2005 9:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Has anyone flown this plane? I am looking to get into this hobby, and if this trainer is for real, it would make my decision a lot easier. Would be great to not have to buy a plane I might get bored of fairly quickly.

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RE: New Hanger 9 p-51 mustang **Trainer?!?** - 6/28/2005 10:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		IF you get bored quickly of a trainer then you havn't tried everything yet. I learned how to hang on the prop and fly inverted with an LT40. A buddy put a 60 engine on his and he flys at 10 feet over the run way doing knife edge! Looks great with that big 70 "wing!

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RE: New Hanger 9 p-51 mustang **Trainer?!?** - 6/28/2005 11:49 PM   
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RE: New Hanger 9 p-51 mustang **Trainer?!?** - 6/29/2005 1:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think all this brakes and flaps will make the new comers have more controls to fondle with and get him more confused..

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RE: New Hanger 9 p-51 mustang **Trainer?!?** - 6/29/2005 2:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thinking about the nextstar they have. I thought it was much better taking all the gadgets off made it a better flying plane.

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RE: New Hanger 9 p-51 mustang **Trainer?!?** - 6/29/2005 2:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Abuanas:" think all this brakes and flaps will make the new comers have more controls to fondle with and get him more confused.. "


the speed brakes are pre configured and set manually on the ground - they are used through all stages of the flight, and are not hooked to servos (although the website says you can conver them.

The speed brakes are not configurable in flight as well--basically they're plates bolted to the gear struts.

The gear is fixed, not retracts, so there are no other controls to be playing with in flight.


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RE: New Hanger 9 p-51 mustang **Trainer?!?** - 6/29/2005 7:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Correct. There are no additional controls to mess with. Its all very simple, and it works very well. Its a new concept and I know there had to be a lot of skepticism, but I also believe that once folks try it, they'll be sold! It is an amazing trainer.

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RE: New Hanger 9 p-51 mustang **Trainer?!?** - 6/29/2005 7:21 PM   
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RE: New Hanger 9 p-51 mustang **Trainer?!?** - 6/29/2005 7:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		What's up, just wanted to post about what I saw of this plane. You can check out the link on Horizon's website [url="http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/upfiles/115665/Ec88844.jpg"]here[/url]. It is expected to retail at $400, which is really, really good considering the Easy 2 was $350 I believe (?). It comes with a JR 421 5-Channel Computer Radio, which is awesome, an Evolution Engines .40-size (which I've read is the easiest-to-start engine ever, designed for noobies with limiters in the needle valve settings and such), but the awesome thing about it is the trainer features. You slide this large, plastic shims over the wingtips which produce extra lift and minimize aileron control movement, and you put these metal panels over the fronts of the wheels to act as speed brakes, thereby slowing the plane down and making it more stable, and with the shims you get a form of self-righting. For aerobatics and more aggressive flying you just take those wing and wheel covers off and you're good to go. The plane is expected to ship in August.

What I'd like to see though is a kit version. I'm pretty set on getting a JR 631 6-Channel Computer Radio (really want that extra channel for potential sonic combat and the dual rates feature) and don't need two computer radios, plus I want to do some amount of building. I hope they release a kit version so we can buy our own radio, get an engine (although I'll still get that Evolution Engines .40, it runs at $80 with prop) and still go flying.

Well anyways, hope that helps to get you drooling. I really want to get into scale fuel-powered flight. I've been flying electrics for about 4 years and want to try something new, and I think that this plane could just be the ticket.

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RE: New Hanger 9 p-51 mustang **Trainer?!?** - 6/29/2005 9:49 PM   
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