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A real bunch of swell modelers... not - 6/23/2005 10:43:12 PM

ajcoholic

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It was brought to my attention that this was posted on another website who's main (re: only) participants are also the same crew that post the same old stuff here.

Here it is:
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"Ah yes;

The crash that will never be spoken of (on RCC ) by one of the most perfect pilots in the world (just ask him ).

The one that happened at our home field during diner when a .20 sized MIG 15 encountered a sudden loss of elevation .

But the Fantastic Flying Fellow from Kirkland Lake didn't have ANYTHING to do with it!

I have never seen Patch smile so much, and the BritBrat almost swallowed that piece of chicken whole when he saw the pilot in question.

Yep; it was a pretty good day for everyone, except for that 34 C heat and 80% humidity But even that is better than rain . . .

Happy Landings!"

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Now, that in essence shows me what a bunch you guys really are. I have been in this hobby since I was 7 yrs old, nearly 28 yrs now. I have never met such a revolting bunch as you guys. Modeling is a great hobby, and I have made many wonderfull friends through it. I have also met a few guys like yourselves that I dislike for various reasons, however, I have NEVER wished, even thought, for anyone to loose an aircraft, nor have I ever boasted to anyone about how wonderfull my flying is. I do feel I am a competent pilot, and I consider myself lucky to get to as many events as I do, and meet many great people as I get the opportunity to. I try like hell to help people, really help them - ask the guys where ever I fly... thats true modeling spirit.

To take pleasure in the loss of someone else's aircraft is just poor spirited and far from what I consider promoting the hobby.

For the record, the Mig 15 was powered not by a .20 but by a Norvel .061 and it crashed 100% due to pilot error, a stall at a low altitude. It didnt bother me, I have been at this long enough to understand every aircraft has its day. Nothing terribly exciting about it, its the 2nd one this year and probably wont be the last. But I am glad I was of some amusement to you three bunch of "elite true modelers".

You know, no matter how much I despise your attitudes and ignorance towards many things, I would never wish upon you the loss of any plane no matter how inexpensive. Just sad....

Andrew J. Coholic

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RE: A real bunch of swell modelers... not - 6/23/2005 11:25:48 PM

jhelps

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Andrew,

I can certainly see how you can take exception to what was written, and I sympathize with your loss, however to turn two posts by two individuals on the subject into "you bunch of guys" painting with the same brush anyone who posts here or on Canadian RC Forum is too big a stretch for me. If you wish to see some real feedback on flying incidents have a look at Flight line follies page 6 to see how most incidents are turned into learning experiences for others.

Why that individual chose to post the subject in that tone is beyond me (perhaps a personal grudge?), however at the point in time I checked the post after reading your comment here, no-one else had jumped on it in glee (unfortunately time will likely prove me wrong) so again I have a problem with how two posts turns into all those who post here or there are a bunch of revolting guys.

Sorry again for your loss.

Jeff Helps

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RE: A real bunch of swell modelers... not - 6/23/2005 11:42:08 PM

ajcoholic

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Jeff,
What I meant was the same prolific three who post at the MBZ site, who are also post here.

First off, this isnt about crashing my Mig. If I had lost my turbine powered AV8R and the $5000 it cost me, I can accept that too, but to take joy in the loss of any flyer's model to me goes against EVERYTHING that this hobby stands for to me.

Britbrat, Browning and Patch if you want me to be specific. Having never met me,( Browning and Patch I have never even gotten into it on the net) these three "gentlemen" dont know what I am all about.

This is about calling a spade a spade. These three talk like they are out to save Canadian Modeling, and how everything they do is just super and politically correct, and for the good of the common modeler, etc.

To take joy in the crashing of any other modeler's aircraft is just plain wrong. I find that quite disturbing actually. To post about it on a public website just shows the level of thinking that exists in the minds of these few...

AJC

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RE: A real bunch of swell modelers... not - 6/24/2005 12:24:38 AM

jhelps

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I guess technically three can make a "bunch"

Couldn't agree more about taking joy in a crash unless of course the "victim" initiates the laughing (having been the recipient of the "best crash" award for a helicopter plant a few years ago that was just hilarious I can relate) however my point is that not all think that way. I regularly post here and on Canadian RC forum and to a lesser degree on RCC and will continue to do so, and think I have been fair to all and tried to keep it on topic.

On a related topic the first time I took my then girlfriend (seem strange to use that term when you're 40+ at the time) to watch me fly my then pride and joy - PICA FW190D retracts, bomb drop, etc - I dumb thumbed it into the ground (nothing salvagable). She confided to me much later that one of the reasons she decided to marry me (amongst others) was the way I handled the loss without much fanfare and admitting that I caused it myself! So sometimes good things do come from crashes!!!

Someones tag line on one of these forums reads something like ... "No-one wants to see a crash ... on the other hand no-one wants to miss one either".

I for one hope that I can catch them on video in hopes that you can see what went wrong.

hope you get the MIG (or a new one) back in the air soon.

Jeff

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RE: A real bunch of swell modelers... not - 6/24/2005 12:47:50 AM

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Considering that the model was barely scratched, & considering that you have attacked me on this forum without cause, or having met me, or knowing what I am about -- it seems that your discomfiture is of your own doing. No one here knew that you stuffed the self-same Mig until you blurted your own misfortune here for all to see.

I would have been heartbroken if you had destroyed your AV8R, but since you only embarrased yourself & simply dented the Mig, I guess that an unworthy sense of "what goes around, comes around" overcame me --- sorry about that. I did not mention your name -- I simply alluded to a notable crash.

Cheers

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RE: A real bunch of swell modelers... not - 6/24/2005 1:17:52 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: britbrat
... sense of "what goes around, comes around" overcame me ...

You're picking on the wrong guy this time 'britbrat'.
Andrew, humble as he may be, is probably unable to count the people he has helped out in this hobby. His good reputation is well earned and he is respected by many (including myself) ... take my advice, tuck your tail betwixt your legs and slither back under your rock while you still can.

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RE: A real bunch of swell modelers... not - 6/24/2005 5:48:33 PM

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Actually I'm not picking on anyone -- I am accused of something other than reality -- I am guilty only of choking on a piece of chicken when Andrew's event occurred. Never did I name, or suggest the identity of the individual in any way -- in fact I only referred in a post to a notable crash at the fun-fly (notable for being the only crash there) -- I gave no details whatsoever. I do admit to the unworthy thought that "hey, he doesn't fly any better than me", and I'm sure that it showed on my face. However, if that, or choking on a piece of chicken whilst startled by a crash, is considered a culpable fellony in your world, I'm glad that I don't live there.

Likewise, Patch is guilty of nothing more than a grin when the event occurred -- no comment (or post) at all. Being a combat pilot, he does that with alarming regularity, as crashes are a normal part of his flying, & "a good one" is to be greatly admired and commented upon. In this case, the crash rated about 2 out of 10 -- essentially no damage -- and worth nothing more than a grin. Hardly a crime -- maybe a misdemeanor, requiring two minutes for grinning.

I can't comment for Mr Browning, but I have indeed met him & he is a an intelligent, open and friendly gentleman, as well as a fine upstanding member of the modelling fraternity -- very well regarded in fact. Perhaps Andrew has offended him in some fashion, as Bruce is not a notably aggressive individual.

More likely, Andrew has taken offence unnecessarily. Bruce is truly one of Andrew's coterie of fans. Shortly after the event, we were discussing it:

Bruce - "What happened? He is the Most Perfect Pilot."

Patch - (grinning) "Is not!"

Brit - "Mmmph, mmph!"

Ms. Browning - "Brit, what's wrong?"

Brit - "Mmph, mmmph!!"

Ms. Browning - "Oh, that's good, I thought that you were choking on the chicken."

Brit - "Mmph, aarrgle!"

Bruce - "Is too. He never crashes. Just ask him."

Patch - "I'm too shy to ask him. Besides, my Pa is the Perfect Pilot -- I've never seen him crash."

Bruce - "Your Pa? -- Maybe -- Y' know, yer right, I've never seen him crash -- but I've never seen you crash either."

Brit - "Mmph!"

Patch - "Oh, I crash all of the time -- but, y'know, Ive never seen you crash, come to think of it. Maybe you're the Most Perfect Pilot."

Ms. Browning - "Brit, what was that?"

Patch - "Pa, swallow that chicken, you're turning blue."

Bruce - "I still think that he's the Most Perfect Pilot and that he had nothing to do with the crash -- it was that vicious little Mig."

Patch - "Well maybe, but what about my Pa?"

Brit - "Wheeeze, hack, hack."

Bruce - "We're never going to agree on this -- we're too far apart."

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RE: A real bunch of swell modelers... not - 6/24/2005 6:45:16 PM

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Nice backpedaling, a dancer eh?

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RE: A real bunch of swell modelers... not - 6/24/2005 8:57:11 PM

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naw, he's not backpeddelling. that's pretty much how it was. Myself, I'd hate to see a plane that someone put a lot of time and money in crash, BUT I was born and raised in a combat club, and it is unusual NOT to see a crash or midair. The lecture I recieved when I started was "If you don't want to lose it, don't fly it" I've dumbthumbed a few in, mid-aired more than I can count and so on. I always get a chuckle. things such as "cool! put the shaft right through the backplate" "WOW! battery went right through the reciever" "free spare parts!" Yeah, I got a chuckle when the Mig went in. Nothing personal. I don't have anything personal with someone I've never met. Our whole "bunch" has helped out a lot of modelers and beginners over the years. Does this mean we will have to quit now because we thought it was funny! get a life. Oh wait, MAAC is your life. get a hobby!

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RE: A real bunch of swell modelers... not - 6/24/2005 9:31:24 PM

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It must have been funny enough to make a complete post on it tho?.......whatever...that post was intended to embarrass, which is one of the rules of this forum I see.

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RE: A real bunch of swell modelers... not - 6/24/2005 9:38:47 PM

Jason Holdaway

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Andrew,

you wrote (edited by me) "Modeling is a great hobby, and I have made many wonderfull friends through it. I have also met a few guys like yourselves that I dislike for various reasons, however, I have NEVER wished for anyone to loose an aircraft, nor have I ever boasted to anyone about how wonderfull my flying is. I do feel I am a competent pilot, and I consider myself lucky to get to as many events as I do, and meet many great people as I get the opportunity to. I try like hell to help people, really help them - ask the guys where ever I fly... thats true modeling spirit."

slightly edited, that would be an exact quote from myself. Our only difference really is what area of the hobby we're in. You're in the "they're beautiful, I hope it never dies side" and I'm on the "hope this plane can survive the whole event, but if not, oh well.....spare parts" side of it. We've never "got into it" before, and I hope we never do. I don't have any reason to dislike you.

you didn't provide amusement for me, the crash did. Like I said, nothing personal. I'm not out to save Canadian modeling. But I will say what I think. As for Britbrat giving a rating of 2, that would only make a 1/2 in the combat areana.

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RE: A real bunch of swell modelers... not - 6/25/2005 3:45:53 AM

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...seems much toodo about nada.

Cripes, I'm still taking it in the ear from my club members for a crappy landing at our float fly a few weeks back. I don't wreck'em that often, but the guys are always waiting for it .................because it doesn't happen that often and they can't waite to get their shots in. I consider it part of the comradery. Hell, the only write-off of the year for me was my kids trainer and I'll never hear the end of that, nor do I expect to.

The amount and timing of the ribbing is proportional to the type, experience, expense and totality of the devestation. For example, a quarter scale scratch-built deserves at least understanding silence up until the peices are bagged and back in the vehicle while a .40 Arf is fair game during the return "walk-of-shame". This must of course be tempered with how long a person has been in the hobby. Somebody who is realively new and just destroyed their only plane get's sympathy and support until such plane is replaced and successfully flown again.

Those who can't take any teasing of any sort,............................. well, it's time to consider model railroading methinks.

Now, before it is suggested that I am suggesting that Andrew Can't handle the teasing.................stop. (particularly with Ronnio joining the fray because I can almost hear his fingers striking angrily at the keys already)

This is only my opinion relating to doinking a model. I don't know Andrew and only have a few relatively benign forum exchanges and his engines reviews that don't give me much in the area of character data, other than he knows a bunch about engines and flys almost anything........oh yeah, and wishes I would stop winding guys like Ronnieo1 up.

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RE: A real bunch of swell modelers... not - 6/25/2005 4:10:11 AM

ajcoholic

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OK this is what really bothers me... as it has turned into something far from my point-

If you care to go to the MBZ site and read the thread with all the smiley's and such to get the one of the conversation (or just read what I quoted again) you can only gather that these fellows (none who have ever met, nor seen me and therefore couldnt have known it was me immediately) were taking great joy in the fact I crashed my model.

For the record, I do not have a problem crashing models. I do it regularly as I try and push my flying as much as I can, and I would say of most people I know it bothers me little to crash. It is part of the hobby.

I have never, ever self proclaimed myself as some hotshot pilot, who doesnt crash. I was brought up to believe that boasting about one's self is rude, and wrong. I dont do it. In my 10,000 + posts on RCC or here on RCU I dare anyone to find one post or one person that knows me, to say I have ever bragged about ho