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RE: MICRO-FLITE .010 ENGINE!!!!!!! - 6/27/2005 1:51:45 AM   
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Well so far no BS has been said. So I will proceed with postings. One problem with the engine, not micro-flites fault. when I ran it the cylinder head leaked . Didn't make me too happy so I looked at it and it had a burr sticking up on the surface that seals the cylinder. So I took 320 grit sand paper and did figure eight patterns until the burr was gone (careful not to take too much off and increase the compression ratio). And what do you know it fixed it. Runs and idles better and best of all it doesn't leak probably picked up some RPM also. Dose any one know if the competition prop works better. The black nylon prop probably flattens out at high RPM and decreases the pitch so the stiffer competition won't do that and keep it's pitch. I'm working on getting a tach but the LHS around hear has the basic stuff for lots of $$$ it would be cheaper to buy one off the Internet but it'll take a weak to get here. There is another LHS I haven't been to yet an they might have one but probably not a true quality one like some of yall got.
later Zach

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RE: MICRO-FLITE .010 ENGINE!!!!!!! - 6/27/2005 2:24:38 AM   
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You don't have a local club member to ask? I'd look for free before paying a fee, then again I'm cheap.



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RE: MICRO-FLITE .010 ENGINE!!!!!!! - 6/27/2005 2:38:25 AM   
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The local flying field (I'm a member) is about 45 minutes away and there are plenty of field around ware live so I don't go there much. I became a member last year they fly a lot of pattern and scale so isn't a place to mess with a .010 powered plane I could give it try what the hell. Why not try it on a week day wouldent dream of it on a week end oh no.
When a giant scale p-51 hits it it'll be like it hiting a fly an $150 fly
Later Zach

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RE: MICRO-FLITE .010 ENGINE!!!!!!! - 6/27/2005 4:30:15 AM   
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What do yall think about building a fuse for a stick out of 1/64 ply. Use 1/16 balsa for the tail feathers and a built up balsa wing? My neighbor had the idea. I prefer all balsa and some lite ply to keep it light and rigid. Any thoughts???
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RE: MICRO-FLITE .010 ENGINE!!!!!!! - 6/27/2005 11:41:32 AM   
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Use the balsa, if you want to make it lighter stick build the fuse. 1/64th ply often comes slightly warped and you will not straighten it. It always comes out heavy for the dimensional stability you need, use very little of it. Other than 1/8 inch light ply for the firewall, I wouldn't have any of it on your 1/8 airplane. Might swap out the firewall and use 1/8 balsa and fiberglass to get rid of the ply weight. It'll be more delicate but then brick walls don't fly well on .010's.

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RE: MICRO-FLITE .010 ENGINE!!!!!!! - 6/28/2005 2:07:44 AM   
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Wow, I go away for a couple of days and look what happens......

OK guys. Let's lay off this thread unless we've got something to contribute beyond frying Joe or bringing Joe up to speed on the history of his engine as it has passed here at RCU. And for the record Joe's IP is not the same as Roger's.

Joe, I have to admit that I'm a bit skeptical of the roots of your first post but I'm willing to give you the benifit of the doubt especially if you wrote that material after reading the manual. Roger has a reputation for gilding the lily around here and it does not surprise me if it isn't a bit infectious in its effect on how a person speaks and writes for a while after..... However having shared some correspondence with him I honestly believe that much of his manners and style are based on his enthusiasm for the hobby. As you are seeing it has rubbed some the wrong way and you're facing the fallout of that effect. The guys here are a good bunch and I would hope that we can all work past this initial rough beginning.

By all means please post up your findings on the Micro Flite .010. And I, for one, would be happy to offer suggestions for models to put it into. One that is relatively simple and a great looker is the Owen Kampen Skampy. An all sheet shoulder wing design with a curved over rear deck that looks absolutely cuter than a bug's ear. It was originally presented as full sized plans in RCM magazine many years ago for rudder only with the then fairly new Ace single channel gear. But with todays micro stuff it would be a perfect test bed, if built with super light wood, for the MF .010 and rudder, elevator and throttle.

On a more general note I also agree that a small engine does not have to idle as low as a larger one to achieve adequitely low power for landing. .049's hit only about 6 to 7 thousand rpms and land just fine. I don't doubt that if an 010 can hit less than 10K that it would be adequite.

Fair warning to all. Unless subsequent posts are about the engine itself or models for it they will be deleted. 3 pages of stuff leading up to this is enough please.



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RE: MICRO-FLITE .010 ENGINE!!!!!!! - 6/28/2005 2:51:16 AM   
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Dose anybody know of any good 1/8A rc planes. Preferably stick, aerobatic, or pylon designs a web site would help . It's hard trying to find a suitable aerobatic RC plans to scale on a photo coper. Most are just FF designs and I don't want a cute little docile flier I want a plane that spells MAYHEM. Like a mini profile plane or anything maby a scaled down hobby lobby hell raiser bipe. Any luck on a radical RC micro stick the tail movement looks so short that it might be kind of twitchy or not. This might be too much but are there any 3D planes that are light enough to fly on a .010? Please post anything or even ideas on designs. Oh yeah ptulmer likes sheet wing racers ware would you find there designs if there are any. If I cant find any plans I'll just draft my own like I did on my last few planes.
later Zach

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RE: MICRO-FLITE .010 ENGINE!!!!!!! - 6/28/2005 3:25:49 AM   
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Did you check out the design contest site that I PM'd you? Matchlessaero's throttled .010, 3D, profile Yakling should fit the bill. There are pics, plans and video on the contest site. The contest site is http://www.donatelli.net/contest/ Click on 2005 and then "Baby Yak 55SPM" Click Here for a direct link to the video.

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RE: MICRO-FLITE .010 ENGINE!!!!!!! - 6/28/2005 10:05:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bipe Flyer

We can easily settle this once and for all. Roger can come up to the SMALL fly in next month and demonstrate his throttle in a plane. Combatpigg, Ragwing, BMatthews, Crankypants, Scudrunner, Fastlash and a few others are all within an hour or two drive, so it would be an excellent opportunity to let several of the forum members see for themselves.



Bipe Flyer,

Thank you for inviting me to the Northwest SMALL Fly on July 16 and 17, 2005! We would really like to go to the event. However, we have been scheduled, for the last three months, to be hard at work on new "1/8A" products with our computer guru at the time of the SMALL Fly. So it just depends upon how much progress we can make with our "1/8A" projects. If we can get away, we will.

You said if the throttle was demonstrated at the SMALL Fly "We can easily settle this once and for all." Because you came up with this great idea, I would like to make you the following offer:

I will send you FREE SAMPLES of our entire line of "1/8A" products:

1. MICRO-FLITE/COX TD .010 “R/C” ENGINE
2. DUAL-LINE BALLOON FUEL SYSTEM
3. MICRO-CLEAN (cylinder devarnisher)
4. MICRO-GLOW FUEL (quart)
5. "1/8A" ENGINE MANUAL & HANDBOOK (latest edition: 108 pages)

In receiving our entire line of "1/8A" products, you would agree to put on a LIVE public demonstration of the MICRO-FLITE/COX TD .010 “R/C” ENGINE and our "1/8A" products for the SMALLsters at the Northwest SMALL Fly on July 16 and 17, 2005.

IF YOU ACCEPT THIS OFFER, YOU WOULD AGREE TO DO THE FOLLOWING AT THE NORTHWEST SMALL Fly ON July 16 AND 17, 2005:

GIVE A LIVE GROUND DEMONSTRATION OF THE PERFORMANCE OF THE MICRO-FLITE/COX TD .010 “R/C” ENGINE. I am going to be very specific on what MICRO-FLITE would like demonstrated! You would demonstrate:

1. An idle so low that even the very lightest multi-channel "1/8A" MICRO R/C planes will sit DEAD STILL on a paved runway.
2. An idle so low that the propeller will act as an AIRBRAKE for doing touch-and-go's.
3. Instantaneous throttle response from idle to full power.
4. The engine can hold for long periods of time any throttle setting from idle to full power.
5. The engine can run on idle, or any midrange throttle setting, for long periods of time, then, can be instantly throttled back up to full power.
6. A smooth and fully variable midrange for relaxing cruising flight.
7. The THERMAL EXHAUST THROTTLE has excellent OVERALL throttle performance.
8. LIVE tachometer readings that prove conclusively MICRO-FLITE'S rpm performance claims in the document: "MICRO-FLITE/COX TD .010 “R/C” ENGINE'S STATIC AND DYNAMIC RPM PERFORMANCE". For highest engine performance, you agree to devarnish the .010's inside cylinder wall with MICRO-CLEAN (chemical cylinder devarnisher), before doing LIVE tachometer readings for SMALLsters. You agree not to use any other devarnishing methods, especially nothing abrasive to devarnish the cylinder, which can cause excessive wear and, consequently, degraded engine rpm performance.

GIVE A LIVE FLYING DEMONSTRATION WITH THE MICRO-FLITE/COX TD .010 “R/C” ENGINE TO PROVE THAT IT PERFORMS AS WELL IN THE AIR, AS IT DOES ON THE GROUND. (If you have enough time to get a "1/8A" MICRO R/C plane ready.)

STUDY THE "1/8A" ENGINE MANUAL & HANDBOOK so that you have some basic knowledge of the unique features and parts functions of MICRO-FLITE'S THERMAL EXHAUST THROTTLE. (In this way you will be able to answer most of the questions asked about the throttle.)

PROVIDE SMALLsters WITH MICRO-FLITE'S RPM PERFORMANCE CLAIMS BASED ONLY ON THE CLAIMS IN THE DOCUMENT: "MICRO-FLITE/COX TD .010 “R/C” ENGINE'S STATIC AND DYNAMIC RPM PERFORMANCE". (This document is included with every "1/8A" ENGINE MANUAL & HANDBOOK.) NO OTHER RPM PERFORMANCE CLAIMS ARE MADE OR IMPLIED!! (MICRO-FLITE'S engine rpm performance claims have not been misleading, false, or exaggerated! However, in the past, false claims have been made about MICRO-FLITE'S rpm performance claims! This situation needs to be corrected.)

If you accept this offer, you will also have the option to be a MICRO-FLITE DEALER in Canada, but you are under no obligation to exercise this option.

Your demonstration at the Northwest SMALL Fly on July 16 and 17, 2005 would be the VERY FIRST LIVE DEMONSTRATION for SMALLsters of the MICRO-FLITE/COX TD .010 “R/C” ENGINE and MICRO-FLITE'S "1/8A" product line. After the incredible year long HULLABALOO on the RCU forums, it indeed would be a historic event for SMALLsters. They could come to the SMALL Fly and see it for themselves! As you said, "we can easily settle this once and for all." You are right!!

Please seriously consider my offer!

Roger

P.S. MICRO-FLITE very much appreciates the courage of Joedirt2 (Zach) to bring to the RCU "1/8" forum the ACTUAL runway and flying performance of the MICRO-FLITE/COX TD .010 “R/C” ENGINE and his continued perseverance to communicate and succeed in very difficult and challenging RCU forums.

B. Mathews: Remember your PM to me? You suggested I offer video demonstrations of the performance of the MICRO-FLITE/COX TD .010 “R/C” ENGINE. If Bipe Flyer accepts my offer, you will now get to see LIVE DEMONSTRATIONS. What could be better?!!

Roger

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RE: MICRO-FLITE .010 ENGINE!!!!!!! - 6/28/2005 12:05:13 PM   
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As I suggested the first time you asked, Radical RC micro stick. My 3 channel version weighs less than 4oz. I get about 8 min flights with the tank I made. 140 mAh 1/3aaa nmh, plantracoDPS4, GWS Pico, Skaliwag throttle, flies great. Didn't you say your test stick weighed 4.6 oz or somthing and does nearly unlimited loops etc. Sounds like you have a winner already Zach. Looks like you could trim almost an oz off with the microstick and have youself a plane with unbelievable and stupifying performance. Good luck.

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RE: MICRO-FLITE .010 ENGINE!!!!!!! - 6/28/2005 1:18:52 PM   
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Roger,

Wow, that's quite a "Pre-Nup."

Do you think a magazine writer would actually agree to devote all that time to satisfying your requirements. Most guys go to an event to have fun and take pictures of other competitors models.

When I used to write for various magazines, a manufacturer or importer would send me something...with no strings attached.

From what I can see, there are guys who will give an honest appraisal of a product and there are people who are interested in advertising dollars. The old "Don't say anything if you can't say something good" adage doesn't fly with most readers. They want the truth.

Too bad you can't make it to the contest to promote your own products. The first thing you'd hear was "Oh sure, he fine tunes an engine for demonstations and the one I get won't run as well." The way around that is to offer to sell the engine you're flying for list price or the "family price" at the contest. Be prepared to change engines several times.

I hope you can work it out and if it's as good as you claim you should have a ton of orders after the event. Seeing is believing and there will be much talk around the campfires for many moons.

The event sounds like a perfect way for you to get your product some exposure...I'd make a strong effort to show up and let something less-important slide for a while.

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RE: MICRO-FLITE .010 ENGINE!!!!!!! - 6/28/2005 6:51:27 PM   
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Roger, I thank you for your generous offer. As for all the testing I don't see any problem with following through and giving the engine a full and honest evaluation in line with your requirements.

I was going to re-equip my Littlest Stik with two or three channel micro gear in any event. If Bipeflyer doesn't have anything set up for an 010 just now (but I know he does) then I'm willing to make my LS available. In truth it's so easy to move an engine around that I don't doubt that we'll be able to try a few models with the same engine.

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RE: MICRO-FLITE .010 ENGINE!!!!!!! - 6/28/2005 9:41:05 PM   
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Actually I don't have anything for an .010 right now. The Staggerspeck has no room for an external tank or a throttle servo.

Roger,

You've put me between a rock and a hard place. If I decline, it looks like I'm not giving you a fair chance but if I accept I am obligated to give a favourable review for having received an free engine. I feel that the only way a person could possibly accept it is if they were to return the engine and accessories after to show that it is an unbiased and objective evaluation. To be honest, I have neither the time nor desire to do it, but maybe someone else is willing to take you up on your offer. The bottom line is that it is your product and you should be willing to make the effort to support it.

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RE: MICRO-FLITE .010 ENGINE!!!!!!! - 6/28/2005 10:00:04 PM   
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I'll do it! SEND IT ALONG.

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RE: MICRO-FLITE .010 ENGINE!!!!!!! - 6/28/2005 10:48:24 PM   
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...but if I accept I am obligated to give a favourable review for having received an free engine.



Bipe, brother, thats NOT how it works! Remember, reviewing an engine properly is a LOT more work than the $80 or so the engine costs (and less to the manufacturer/retailer). I review engines, and I usually (not allways) get to keep them afterward. If I have any issues with them, it is written down. If you read my reviews, some are hard to hand start, others were hicupping in the air during hard aerobatics, some would not shut down when the carb was fully closed, etc. Even though the engine may be good, there are usually small things that are in the review (well, mine anyhow) that are the truth and manufacturers dont mind that. If an engine is reallybad, it wont ever get to print anyhow...

Being "paid" with an engine, to test one thouroughly on the bench, and then in the air is NOT a free engine, it is actually akin to free advertising for the seller, if of course the review is positive. In the magazine world, 3 or 4 pages of glossy print costs a WHOLE lot more than the engine they send in.

Just my thoughts on reviewing and such....

AJC


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