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RE: Showtime - 10/11/2007 11:52:25 AM   
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Hi Fellows,
Before I read through the entire forum to find it again can someone tell me if the 7 7/16" back from leading edge next to the fuse. for CG is correct? That's what's stated in the manual, but I'm still having some Balance issues.

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RE: Showtime - 10/22/2007 2:55:17 AM   
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Hi everybody.

I was a Showtime owner and this was my best plane of my life!! Nothing can fly like this thing. Its fast and slow when you need. Stable and very very 3D capable.

But my Showtime is too old now and I decide to retire it. I was flying it with an OS 160 FX. It's an amazing combo, but this engine have a lot of vibration for this plane, what can damage it with time...

So now I decide do order another Showtime and I want to use a 4 stroke now. Can somebody tell me with engine I need to choice??

Here in Brazil, my best choice is a Saito and I was thinking about the 150 one.

Can somebody tell me what this engine can do in a Showtime?

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RE: Showtime - 10/22/2007 3:38:08 AM   
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RE: Showtime - 10/22/2007 3:57:43 AM   
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but using those servo reversers, you cant trim the end points of each servo, and even if the linkages are the same the servo might not move equally.

What did you use to hold the battery at the back?

I went with a Futaba MAS-10 Servo synchronizer with my 7Cap radio. You can trim the elevators individually and using the radio's trim tabs for in-flight up/down trim. I wasnt ready to buy another radio.

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RE: Showtime - 10/22/2007 4:17:24 AM   
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HoverLow,

The Saito 1.50 is a little on the large and heavy side of the spectrum for this .90 size plane, but people have used it and it has proven to be a VERY powerful combo.

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RE: Showtime - 10/22/2007 11:28:54 AM   
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Hi. Thank you, guys, for the fast aswers.

Hey, P-Diddy, in your signature says you do have a Showtime powered by BCMA 26cc.

Is this a gas engine? If yes, this engine must have the sames power and weight of the 160FX, haven't it??

If yes again, how your engine flys the Showtime?

Mine, with 160, was really awsome!!!!!!

But I noticed some problems that I think is about the weigth:

- Was very hard to make inverted harries, becasue the plane started a inverted flat spin;
- A HUGE snap tendence (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=us35LQWSK9w);
- A good amout of dead weight on tail to bring back the CG (210g);

The inverted harries was my big problem, becaues I couldn't t pratice this maneuver on my Showtime.

Of this things, my Showtime was perfect. So, did you notice some things like thoses?
Maybe, have I a CG problem never solved??

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RE: Showtime - 10/23/2007 3:36:29 AM   
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Hi,

I spent the last week reading this thread. 106 pages takes a while to read and now that I'm done all I have to do is decide which engine I want to install. I have an Evo .26 gasser that I can use. Also, I have a new Saito 125 in a box or my trusty YS 110. I'll have to think about this for a while be for I begin to assemble the aircraft.

I'm going to use Robart hinges and do away with the CA hinges. Re-enforce the landing gear block, check the incidence on the model and use a smaller tail wheel.

Thanks to all who commented on this model, it will save me a lot of time during the assmebly process.

Regards,
Chuck

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RE: Showtime - 10/23/2007 7:27:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: HoverLoW

Hi. Thank you, guys, for the fast aswers.

Hey, P-Diddy, in your signature says you do have a Showtime powered by BCMA 26cc.

Is this a gas engine? If yes, this engine must have the sames power and weight of the 160FX, haven't it??

If yes again, how your engine flys the Showtime?

Mine, with 160, was really awsome!!!!!!

But I noticed some problems that I think is about the weigth:

- Was very hard to make inverted harries, becasue the plane started a inverted flat spin;
- A HUGE snap tendence (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=us35LQWSK9w);
- A good amout of dead weight on tail to bring back the CG (210g);

The inverted harries was my big problem, becaues I couldn't t pratice this maneuver on my Showtime.

Of this things, my Showtime was perfect. So, did you notice some things like thoses?
Maybe, have I a CG problem never solved??


Yes, the BCMA 26cc is a gas engine, and although it isn't as powerful as the O.S. 1.60 glow engine, (gas engines of the same displacement will always be less powerful) it still pulls the Showtime around with authority. The BCMA engines are very lightweight for gas engines, and I did not have to add any extra weight. I just moved the Rx battery pack toward the tail until it balanced. Then I built in a ply holding plate for it.

The snap tendency is present in many planes that have 3D throws and performance, and the ST is no exception. I was always ready with the aileron when pulling hard on the elevator. If I pulled full up, it didn't snap at all, just entered a wall and I hovered from there. The BCMA 26 has plenty of power to pull out of a hover.

Harriers, whether upright or inverted, can be pretty challenging with this plane. I found that pulsing the power helped to keep it from wing-rocking too much.

I have only ever flown one plane that didn't have ANY snapping tendencies or rolling-out tendencies during hard elevator maneuvers, and that is my Aviation Models 33% Yak 54, (a.k.a. SD Models and TOC). I have flown many other 3D capable aircraft and have found that they all do this to some extent, with only that one exception. For me, it is not a deal-breaker. I do what I can to minimize the rolling-out by putting a small amount of negative incidence in the wings, laterally balancing the plane, and ensuring that both elevators move evenly. Then, I just plan ahead for when the plane wants to roll or snap.

The ST is plenty capable of 3D and pattern, (I won 1st place in a small Sportsman pattern competition using my ST with the BCMA 26 in the nose).

Unfortunately, I recently traded mine with that engine for a helicopter set-up, but the new owner of the ST really likes it a lot.

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RE: Showtime - 10/23/2007 11:41:10 AM   
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P-Diddy, that is great!

I have a Somenzini Yak 102" too, and, really, this plane dosen't have any bad tendences!!

Well, your testimony is convincing me about to use my old setup again.

Now my 160 FX is installed in a Carl Goldberg Pitts Monster 12. Maybe a should purchase a Saito 150, use it in my Pitts and put my 160 in a brand new Showtime.

What you think?

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RE: Showtime - 10/23/2007 8:22:21 PM   
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I think that the Showtime with an O.S. 1.60 would be tremendously overpowered - GO FOR IT!! Like I said, if you have problems balancing it, find a way to install your Rx battery as far back in the tail as possible.

Also, put your rudder servo in the back - forget pull-pull for this plane. Just use a direct link with the servo in the rear, you won't notice the difference between that and a pull-pull set-up when it's in the air. The only real advantage to using pull-pull on the rudder, from what I can tell, is that it allows you to put the rudder servo closer to the CG. On larger planes, it allows you to efficiently gang together two or more servos for the one surface. On this plane, like I said, I see no advantage to it.

How do you like the Pitts M12?? I'd like to get a 50cc version of that!!

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RE: Showtime - 10/23/2007 8:58:07 PM   
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would a Super Tigre 2300 be a good choice for this plane?

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RE: Showtime - 10/23/2007 10:33:35 PM   
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P-Diddy, thank you very much.

I am ready to get a new Showtime to fly my old combo again.

In my last Showtime I used the ruder servo on tail and worked great. I will use this same setup again, like you said.

Well, I saw a lot of movies of giants Pitts Model 12 and they appers do to be really great planes. 3W Shotime video have a lot of it. I am crazy to get a Phiton from somenzini and I can't see big difference between this models. This planes seems to be awesome 3D and scale flyiers.

Mine is not a 3D capable. It just don't have control to hold hovers, rolling circles and others 3D stuffs.

It's a very strong plane too. I crashed mine and it almost not broke (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9pOV-g7qJE). So, it's heavy to 3D.

But it's a very nice scale plane. In fact, I never flew a scale plane like it.

A 50cc version certainly will be good flyier. If you can, take a look on the 3W Showtime Video. I am sure you will get your 50cc after see it.


Steve, according with users review on RCU, the ST have the same power and a little less weigth than 160 FX. So, I think this will work fine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you guys.

Eduardo

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RE: Showtime - 10/24/2007 12:16:09 AM   
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Steve,

If you can get the Super Tigre G2300 running well, then it will be plenty of power for anything in the book on the Showtime. I believe that engine is about a 1.40 ci, so that is well above the normal power for it.

Guys, just remember that if you over-power the airplane and something fails, the manufacturer will not cover any loss. Most of the time they won't cover it anyway, even if the plane was put together poorly, missing glue in critical areas, etc., but going outside the engine range they recommend assures that you will get no assistance.

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