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GREAT PLANES FLATOUTS - 6/28/2005 1:34:58 PM   
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Hello fellow flyers. Long time reader, relatively new poster. I usually fly low when it comes to product recommendations or endorsements, but I feel personally obligated to help protect the hard working people in this hobby.

I have, like many, been eagerly awaiting the release of these so-called superior 3D flatouts. I went to my local hobby shop yesterday and picked up my brand new Matt Chapman EP. That was the first mistake I made. I saw on the box that assembly time was 2~3 hours and was excited because I thought I’d have it built in the evening and ready to fly today. 2 hours into assembly and realizing that foam safe CA takes a very long time to adhere, I began to feel assembly is more like 2~3 days. Use 5-minute epoxy!!! Enough about that.

The kit leaves much to be desired. The foam wings are much too thin and even with the carbon fiber tubes attached I could tell this plane would never be able to handle aggressive maneuvers. And speaking of carbon fiber tubes, they are extremely difficult to glue to the foam edges of the panels. The cut lines of the foam are not clean and the manual says nothing about trimming or sanding them smooth, but I guess you should or you will only get intermittent glue contact with the tubes. I didn’t do that and so I have tubes that are attached to the foam in very few places and so I know I’d have to go back with epoxy to make things stick together. All in all I am very uncomfortable with the method of assembling the hinge tubes. It’s just a major accident waiting to happen. I broke the rubber tube off before I was even half way done.

The manual has numerous mistakes as well. For example, the photos of the control horns on the elevator are on the wrong side of the plane and if you don’t catch it ahead of time you’ll have to break the control horn out of the wing to fix it. Not good.

I am so disappointed with the assembly of this kit. I feel like I have gotten totally taken by Great Planes. I am a mechanical engineer and if I designed stuff with this degree of quality, I’d be out of work in a hurry. The worst part is that I have beaten the kit up so badly during assembly that it is now unfinishable and will never see the air. And if it did ever fly, heaven forbid I land the least bit rough. It would be destroyed in no time.

If you are considering a profile foam flyer, I highly suggest another alternative. Save your money for a better design.

I hope I’ve helped someone who was on the fence, not get burned by a poor quality kit!

Good luck and happy flying!
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RE: GREAT PLANES FLATOUTS - 6/28/2005 1:58:24 PM   
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After reading this, I'll be picking one up this afternoon. You sound like a guy at my field He bought a $19.99 YAK from HL It was his first flat foam plane and he also screwed it up putting it together But of coarse, it was the kits fault

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RE: GREAT PLANES FLATOUTS - 6/28/2005 2:19:52 PM   
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Sorry about the bad luck...

sounds like par for the course for many foamies...
at least for another brand that is overly popular around here... over engineered with bad to no directions....

actually GWS, I love your post... my Yak was probably the easiest to build with a book of directions....

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RE: GREAT PLANES FLATOUTS - 6/28/2005 8:32:20 PM   
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Hey,

I've been flying my brushless CAP for about a week now and I do sort of agree with alotbsol. While the kit wasn't that hard to put together (imo), the wings do flex LIKE CRAZY. I mean, the plane looks like a U from behind during positive G maneuvers and vice versa with neg G. Now that I have their Rimfire (motor mount that comes with the kit is a fairly simple bolt-on) I'm still tempted to give the Flatana a try since I would think it's not quite as bad being a mid-wing.

I do like the hinges though!


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RE: GREAT PLANES FLATOUTS - 6/28/2005 9:52:22 PM   
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Haven't flown this yet, but based on the serious bending the E-Flite Tribute showed, I added these braces to the wing...

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RE: GREAT PLANES FLATOUTS - 6/29/2005 12:13:56 AM   
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Alot,

Maybe you should take up the tuba. All Foamies stout the 2-3 hour build time. Which is about right after you've put a couple of them together. I don't know what kind of CA you are using, what ever brand, you should be using an accelerator. The stuff from E-Flight is good. The airplane was designed thin so it would be light weight, with high performance. I too, like Paul use carbon fiber to stiffen areas I think are too flimsy. I usually fly outdoors, so I use the rods from the landing gear, and go gear-less. I read another post from someone crying about the fuselage breaking where the battery goes, gee, it wouldn't have anything to do with the fact you're using a battery that is twice the recommend weight. The hinges are the best I've seen, and for $39.00 with a motor you cant beat it.

Bonzo

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RE: GREAT PLANES FLATOUTS - 6/29/2005 4:38:13 AM   
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Hello I was conserding getting a flatout foamie and getting the brushless Rimsfire motor,is it a good powerfull motor? I am looking for something to replace my yak its starting to get to the end of its up

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RE: GREAT PLANES FLATOUTS - 6/29/2005 7:27:44 AM   
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Crazy,

The rimfire and BL-8 ESC make a light and powerfull combo, and is perfect for the flatout foamies. My Fantana hovers at a little less than half throttle and climbs out of my hand like a home sick angel at full. Use the 640mah 3-cell battery and APC 9-3.8, or 9-4.2 prop.

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RE: GREAT PLANES FLATOUTS - 7/1/2005 12:07:54 AM   
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Glide to hear the Rimsfire will be plenty of power,most of the time I will be flying it in my frount yard are at the field, I do have 3 thunderpower 3 cell 1320 battarys that to big of battarys for the foam to handle?



I did go ahead and decide to order the Flantana and the RimsFire motor so it should be here next week sometime.

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RE: GREAT PLANES FLATOUTS - 7/1/2005 1:34:20 AM   
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With the stock motor and an 8x800 nimh, the CAp 580 got at least a wingspan up from the ground, several times yesterday before the landing gear retracted.
Changing to a 3s640 Lipo, it -will- go vertical from a hand launch, or a short takeoff run.
Stock motor and prop.

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RE: GREAT PLANES FLATOUTS - 8/12/2005 3:49:02 PM   
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So the stock motor sounds all right, How well does it really perform?



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RE: GREAT PLANES FLATOUTS - 8/12/2005 6:15:00 PM   
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Paul and the rest of you with this plane? The problem i see is not with the plane itself but
the pilot and builder. Since when have u bought a gas powered ARF that claimed it could be
put together in 12-15 hours, then to find out it took twice that?? Come on, this is the real world.
The same with the foamies. 2-3 hrs = about 6-8 real time. You have to have patience with
these model airplanes foamie or balsa. Doesn't matter. I have the Chapman flatout and took
my time building it. Paul , i noticed in your pic of your "flattened" landing gear that the nimh
pack u were using was huge. Did u stop to thing the sheer weight of it compared to the lipo packs
was overkill. I am sure it put a major burden on the stock landing gear. So that's why i say,
not the plane but pilot and builder error. I am not attacking u personally but since u did post the
pick of that long stick nimh pack on top of the fuse, I had to mention it. Does anyone else agree
with me? I am running the rimfire setup with a thunder power 900mah 11.1v pack. It weighs a little
over 2.5 oz. I have had no problems with my cap breaking . There is some flexing but it does not
seem to hurt anything. Paul , what did your nimh pack weigh? I can bet it was twice what the lipos
tip the scales at. Anyway guys, just have patience with all these planes and your experiences will
be more enjoyable. Btw Paul i love the pic of you, if thats u, in the cockpit. I think ill do the same with
mine. Just my 2 Cents

-Airplaneman

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RE: GREAT PLANES FLATOUTS - 8/12/2005 7:56:20 PM   
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AirplaneMan- I tend to agree on many of your points. I have the Cap 580 and love it. I built it light by using a little screamers and a 2-cell TP 730 battery. It comes in at under 8oz. It does not have rediculous power but it flys NICE. It will float around and do most anything you want it to. A friend let me borrow a 3-cell 640 pack for it and...well...it was ballistic. Almost wish I would have bought 3-cell packs for it now. The lightness is the key. I have landed