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hellomynameisdookie -> RE: Bdavison's E-flite Blade Assembly (1/9/2006 10:03 PM)

The aluminum swash is a great upgrade, and if nothing else it looks awesome on there peeking out from atop the canopy!

Staying stock or not is up to you. I know people that are flying well doing basic things like ff and figure 8's with the stock motor and battery. What you need to decide is what cells you're going to use, because you don't want to be swapping out pinions constantly because you are changing battery packs with different voltages.

Personally, I don't know if the DD is worth it. I have it on mine and as it does seem to have more push under more input, but I'm thinking about going to the stock setup with the carbon tail. The carbon tail is definately a good upgrade from the stock plastic. A bit more response. My personal advice would be to try the carbon tail first. If you decide to try the DD in the future I'm sure you'll have no problem at all selling the tail, but it doesn't cost much so it's no big deal anyway. The DD setup is also a bit heavier so it will be a bit trickier getting good balance, even with the batteries as forward as possible. The tail boom really should be shortened a little bit to compensate for the extra weight.

Definately get the aerobatic kit, you'll use everything in it eventually. Right now you can put on the heatsinks and when you progress you can swap out the motor for the lower pinion and use lipo's, plus it's got a set of blades and you can never have to many extra sets of blades laying around.




ptgarcia -> RE: Bdavison's E-flite Blade Assembly (1/9/2006 11:05 PM)

Just an FYI for those who care:

I put the GWS direct drive tail on my Blade this weekend using the same parts as outline on BladeCPrepair.com and had no problem balancing the heli without shorting the tail boom. I'm running a Thunder Power 3s 1320mAh Pro Lite, Aluminum E-Flight swash and aerobatic enhancement kit, and I'm balancing on the flybar. With my Blade, however, I have always had to have the battery nearly as far back as possible to balance. Now the back of the TP pack is even with the back of the battery holder and the front sticks out just a hair.




L0stS0ul -> RE: Bdavison's E-flite Blade Assembly (1/10/2006 3:25 AM)

I could not balance the heli with the DD tail without chopping 1 inch off the back and even then using some clay in the very front of the nose with the lipo velco'd to the front of the 4-in-1. I was using the TP 11.1v 900mAh lipo though. The loss of flight time was also to dramatic for me so once the tail broke on landing and going thru 2 motors I just put the stock tail back on with my original motor and it's been fine. It's not the best but it balances and it holds well enough. I put a GWS fin (the white one) on the back to help with forward flight and it does. I'll probably try out the carbon tail blade soon. I've seen what the stock tail can do with a HH gyro so it's definitally up to the task.

I loved the DD tail at first then over about a 2 week period of time it started to grate on me till I got fed up when the cheap plastic broke.




fly ride -> RE: Bdavison's E-flite Blade Assembly (1/11/2006 1:42 AM)

If you want to upgrade the blade I would use a 3 cell lipo( I use the gws 1050 and it works great) and the 9 tooth pinion with heat sinks and one of the best things I have found is to put carbon main blades on once you can hover without fear of crashing so easily. The blades are a little heavier and are a lot smoother than wood ones also easier to track. I fly both gas and electric helis and would not run wood blades on them if I dont have to.Also balance the blades on the main and tail to cut down as much vibration as possible and the heli flies awesome.Also I figured out that if you are in fast forward flight or even hovering ,if you raise the throttle trim all the way up you have way better throttle and the pitch is not sluggish although I have not tried this setting inverted yet.




L0stS0ul -> RE: Bdavison's E-flite Blade Assembly (1/11/2006 2:10 AM)

I just got my new transmitter in yesterday and I had a chance to play with it tonight. It's the futaba 7C. WOW what a difference. my settings are no where near right but the heli can hover very very smooth in standard mode. I've not programmed the idle ups yet. I swear that the head speed is higher and it's making the heli much more stable. I had read so many times that a new transmitter makes a world of difference and it sure seems like it.

I just bought one of the Futaba "short" crystals on my channel (black and white label) and put it in the 4-in-1 and it fired right up after setting up the heli. Now to smooth things out a bit and get it flying just the way I like it :)

Best upgrade I've done to the heli that is for sure.




fire@forthall -> RE: Bdavison's E-flite Blade Assembly (1/11/2006 2:41 AM)

Question to All

I have not taken my head apart on my Blade, I have the 3 bearing head. What I am finding is that when I am hovering if I move the stick to the right just a little the heli seems to bob down then back up. Other than that it flies very well I have used a silicone lubricant on all the moving parts in the head that is from Dupont that can be used on food machinary as well so I thing it is ok for plastic as well just wondering if I need to do the head tear down and look at all the parts to see if any are in the wrong place.




redman7722 -> RE: Bdavison's E-flite Blade Assembly (1/11/2006 2:45 AM)

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I just got my new transmitter in yesterday and I had a chance to play with it tonight. It's the futaba 7C. WOW what a difference. my settings are no where near right but the heli can hover very very smooth in standard mode. I've not programmed the idle ups yet. I swear that the head speed is higher and it's making the heli much more stable. I had read so many times that a new transmitter makes a world of difference and it sure seems like it.

I just bought one of the Futaba "short" crystals on my channel (black and white label) and put it in the 4-in-1 and it fired right up after setting up the heli. Now to smooth things out a bit and get it flying just the way I like it

Best upgrade I've done to the heli that is for sure.


Got the same tx and I love it. It does make a world of difference. So many choices to set it up to fly just how you want it!




redman7722 -> RE: Bdavison's E-flite Blade Assembly (1/11/2006 2:49 AM)

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Question to All

I have not taken my head apart on my Blade, I have the 3 bearing head. What I am finding is that when I am hovering if I move the stick to the right just a little the heli seems to bob down then back up. Other than that it flies very well I have used a silicone lubricant on all the moving parts in the head that is from Dupont that can be used on food machinary as well so I thing it is ok for plastic as well just wondering if I need to do the head tear down and look at all the parts to see if any are in the wrong place.



Check the spindle between the blade grips if it is warped even slightly it will cause this. If warped bad enough the heli will be almost impossible to fly..




fire@forthall -> RE: Bdavison's E-flite Blade Assembly (1/11/2006 2:51 AM)

Thanks redman I will try that.




fire@forthall -> RE: Bdavison's E-flite Blade Assembly (1/11/2006 3:38 AM)

Ok I may be anal about this BUTTTTTT. It looks like there is about a washer size gap between the grip and the center hub. It was there before I took it apart and it is there now. Mabey just because I am an A&P as my normal job but it looks like there should be no space in there, it is like you can pull the grips apart ever so slightly!!!




L0stS0ul -> RE: Bdavison's E-flite Blade Assembly (1/11/2006 4:38 AM)

That little gap is normal. if you want to get rid of it E-Flite has the shims you can buy. I put 2 shims in the head of my heli and it helped a lot with stability. It dampens the o-rings.

I always had more play with the 2bb grips than with the 3bb grips. the 3bb grips seem to be tighter on the spindle than the 2's




HyperHat -> RE: Bdavison's E-flite Blade Assembly (1/11/2006 2:41 PM)

Just wanted to say a quick Thanks! to Mr. Bdavison. I got a CP for Christmas. I have been running electric cars/trucks for 20 yrs and an RC glider only briefly. I love the CP for a lot of the same reasons posted here already - it is a fun kind of challenge to learn how to fly it and how it works! I got the 3C 11.1 Lipo right away and love it! I was used to charging 3300 mah Nimhs at 5 amps for my truck and they would always heat up and lose capacity over time so these Lipos are a welcome change to that.

I'll post my big crash story for your entertainment....

I was getting decent at keeping it a few feet off the ground for several seconds so I brought it in to work to show a few buddies...after I flew for a few minutes and never crashed it I started to feel guilty that my friend was just watching so I asked if he wanted to just get a feel for it. I thought he was just going to pop up a few inches and back down - my mistake! Within 15 seconds he had it up about 5 ft and I immediately knew it was about to get ugly. I was not confident enough in my own ability to just grab the controller. He crashed it so I ran over to it and the tail motor started going crazy and then I saw the ugly part - smoke was coming out of the 4 in 1 and there was a hole burnt in the side of it[:o]. Of course he felt terrible. I have just gotten it flying again so all is well - for the moment...

Thanks again for the great info - keep it coming.




redman7722 -> RE: Bdavison's E-flite Blade Assembly (1/12/2006 12:10 AM)

quote:

Just wanted to say a quick Thanks! to Mr. Bdavison. I got a CP for Christmas. I have been running electric cars/trucks for 20 yrs and an RC glider only briefly. I love the CP for a lot of the same reasons posted here already - it is a fun kind of challenge to learn how to fly it and how it works! I got the 3C 11.1 Lipo right away and love it! I was used to charging 3300 mah Nimhs at 5 amps for my truck and they would always heat up and lose capacity over time so these Lipos are a welcome change to that.

I'll post my big crash story for your entertainment....

I was getting decent at keeping it a few feet off the ground for several seconds so I brought it in to work to show a few buddies...after I flew for a few minutes and never crashed it I started to feel guilty that my friend was just watching so I asked if he wanted to just get a feel for it. I thought he was just going to pop up a few inches and back down - my mistake! Within 15 seconds he had it up about 5 ft and I immediately knew it was about to get ugly. I was not confident enough in my own ability to just grab the controller. He crashed it so I ran over to it and the tail motor started going crazy and then I saw the ugly part - smoke was coming out of the 4 in 1 and there was a hole burnt in the side of it . Of course he felt terrible. I have just gotten it flying again so all is well - for the moment...

Thanks again for the great info - keep it coming.



Ouch!!! That had to hurt but no matter how bad I feel you have to buy it to fly it. That has save me alot of money I am for sure.




slim-tc3 -> RE: Bdavison's E-flite Blade Assembly (1/12/2006 3:10 AM)

i need some blade options.....

i messed up the stock ones in a accident. decided to try the carbons and really liked them, but just didnt have much responce for lift. they started to delam on the seams and no matter how pretty they are lol, i wont spend 30 bux on that crap again....i went and got new flat bottoms and was happy with how it was hovering, BUT 1 tiny tip over, nothing crazy and they are almost shot.... the front edge is all buckled over.....

what i want is a flat bottom blade that is radiused like the carboms or the symetrical ones.... if you do tip, that sharp corner wont get bashed into the ground...

is there a blade like this? id really like the plastic ones that i seen on here... is he making them yet?




zener42 -> RE: Bdavison's E-flite Blade Assembly (1/12/2006 4:38 AM)


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Check the spindle between the blade grips if it is warped even slightly it will cause this. If warped bad enough the heli will be almost impossible to fly..



Tell me about it! My BCP decided to take a nose dive from 3 feet and bent the spindle (30-40 degrees!) I thought I'd save a few bucks and a trip to the LHS and straighten it myself. It flew for about 30 seconds, dove straight into the ground, and bent the spindle again! I wasted several hours just to save 9 bucks! LOL!




Reinforcements -> RE: Bdavison's E-flite Blade Assembly (1/12/2006 9:00 AM)

My heli does the same thing. It bobs down quite a ways, then back up. I thought it might be doing it itself, but it does it when I move my stick a tiny bit to the left. The thing is, my spindle is perfect. My Flybar, however, is not so good. Bent and restraightend a few times. Could this be causing my evelation changeing?




HyperHat -> RE: Bdavison's E-flite Blade Assembly (1/12/2006 11:57 AM)

I had the same thing happen to me... I had just installed a new grip spindle and had a minor collision with my sofa and bent the spindle big time. I tried to straighten it but the fact that it is hollow made it impossible to keep perfectly round so I could not even get it back through the grip bearings. So, I went back to my original one that had a very minor bend, straightened it and it seems to fly great once again...at least for now.




glasshole03@yahoo.com -> RE: Bdavison's E-flite Blade Assembly (1/13/2006 11:05 PM)

carbon fiber blades block radio signals




glasshole03@yahoo.com -> RE: Bdavison's E-flite Blade Assembly (1/13/2006 11:12 PM)

try climbing straight up with the blades between radio and your bcp ,from a distance.




glasshole03@yahoo.com -> RE: Bdavison's E-flite Blade Assembly (1/13/2006 11:16 PM)

my opinion carbon fiber blades are a rip off,over priced.




The^Phenom -> RE: Bdavison's E-flite Blade Assembly (1/14/2006 3:42 AM)

Wondering if anyone can help me here with my CP. I had a small crash which resulted in replacing the blade grip. I broke the connection ball portion. well i followed this write up for reassembly. I went out for a test hover and came across a strange problem. I was trying to hover so i could trim it out, when it began to dace from side to side. I brought the heli down and went back to centered trims and tried again. Same deal dances all around. What its doing is like a 4 point tilt. I retraced my steps on assembly and cant find an error or any other damaged parts. Blades are balaced,connections are correct,Tracking is good. 4-n-1 Connections are good? Just curious as to what is going on.




SonicFury -> RE: Bdavison's E-flite Blade Assembly (1/14/2006 5:01 AM)

Hey guys, I can't for the life of me get my blade grips off. The screw holding them to the spindle just keeps on turning but nothing's happening. What do I do?




ptgarcia -> RE: Bdavison's E-flite Blade Assembly (1/14/2006 6:18 AM)


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ORIGINAL: SonicFury

Hey guys, I can't for the life of me get my blade grips off. The screw holding them to the spindle just keeps on turning but nothing's happening. What do I do?


Are you using a 2nd allen key to hold the opposite screw?




hellomynameisdookie -> RE: Bdavison's E-flite Blade Assembly (1/14/2006 3:12 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SonicFury

Hey guys, I can't for the life of me get my blade grips off. The screw holding them to the spindle just keeps on turning but nothing's happening. What do I do?

Just a thought but it sounds like one of your blades pitch isn't changing....like one blade is changing to pos pitch when the other isn't. Are you using the 3bb blade grips?




SonicFury -> RE: Bdavison's E-flite Blade Assembly (1/14/2006 3:13 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: ptgarcia


quote:

ORIGINAL: SonicFury

Hey guys, I can't for the life of me get my blade grips off. The screw holding them to the spindle just keeps on turning but nothing's happening. What do I do?


Are you using a 2nd allen key to hold the opposite screw?

Yeah and it got to the point where my keyes were bending before I stopped. I did, however, get it loose. I forgot to put the keyes in their "leverage" position. Once I did that, I still had to really crank it hard but got it off. Thanks for your help!




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