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RE: Bdavison's E-flite Blade Assembly - 12/7/2005 3:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Very helpful... I do have the clear electronics casings but no addition around page 20. Guess I'll have to be looking into that mod for the 2bb grips!! Thanks again.

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RE: Bdavison's E-flite Blade Assembly - 12/7/2005 4:43 PM   
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...i just had a radio glitch from hell....i may have gotten inbetween the heli and radio, i fired up the radio ,set it down, plugged in the heli battery and as i was turning around to pick up the radio the heli fired up and went to the ceiling of my shopand was pinned to the ceiling for about 5 seconds, then as i was holding the radio trying to figure out what happened it turned over and you guessed it ...it found the floor...


If you want my opinion, this is a serious design flaw. Its very dangerous to have this thing take off, out of control, just because it looses sync with the Tx. I would rather it shut the motor off and fall out of the sky than to have the thing go full throttle.

Has anyone contacted E-Flight about this?

They promote this thing for indoor use, but I will never fly this thin indoors again. At least in my living room. It will be flown indoors only in the garage or outside.

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RE: Bdavison's E-flite Blade Assembly - 12/10/2005 3:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		my blade cp did this once..... The reason was i turned of the radio before i unplugged the heli

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RE: Bdavison's E-flite Blade Assembly - 12/10/2005 5:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ok guys, the final section of the assembly.....THREE CHEERS...ok maybe not....

Extreme and Performance modifications

Since some of the upgrade parts aren't out yet, Ill just start with what is available.
By now most of you have already upgraded to the "aerobatic enhancement kit" and a few of you have upgraded to the Carbon Fiber blades. Well...E-flite has released carbon fiber tail blades too.

The Carbon fiber tail blades are SUPER lightweight. This is a good thing. The lighter the tailfeathers weigh, the easier it is for the tail motor to spin. This results in faster more precise tail movements. The gyro works better, and rudder inputs are faster now. The carbon fiber tail rotor does have a few issues though. The hole drilled through the center that fits over the shaft is too small. This requires that you carefully re-drill the hole so that it will fit properly. The other thing (although superficial) is that only one side of the tail rotor is finished in a nice glossy carbon fiber finish, and the other side looks like they sandpapered the surface. All in all its a good addition.

The other upgrade recently released is the Aluminum Swashplate. Now this little jewel is pretty cool. Just go back to the section on building the head, and simply swap the swashplate out. Its a easy swap. Plug and Play of the helicopter world. The aluminum swashplate is very smooth, and has no slop in its bearings, which makes the heli even more responsive and the head spins smoothly. Aside from its asthetic looks, it does have its benefits. The ball links wont break off, and once the bell/hiller head comes out, its going to provide a good solid base for the new head.

Here are pics of both the carbon fiber tail blade and the swashplate. Notice the large ball bearing visable from the underside of the swashplate.



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RE: Bdavison's E-flite Blade Assembly - 12/10/2005 5:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here is a pic of the swashplate installed, and of the carbon fiber tail rotor installed

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RE: Bdavison's E-flite Blade Assembly - 12/10/2005 5:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		You have any custom modifications to increase performance by chance? Am I asking too soon?

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RE: Bdavison's E-flite Blade Assembly - 12/10/2005 6:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		They are coming. Im still waiting on the Bell/Hiller head, thats gonna be the biggest improvement. It turns the heli into a whole other machine.

Ive also got some other things up my sleeve. Ill be posting them soon. Im going to bed for now though.

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RE: Bdavison's E-flite Blade Assembly - 12/12/2005 4:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		Could you tell us a little more about the Bell/Hiller head and what makes it so much better than the stock head? Does the Honeybee Bell/Hiller head fit the Blade without any modifications?

Thanks for the awesome thread!

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RE: Bdavison's E-flite Blade Assembly - 12/12/2005 5:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, Bill Altman has replaced the stock Blade head on his heli with the E-sky Bell/Hiller head. I have flown it. Its a whole other helicopter.

I would say it flys more like a T-rex now. Its really stable, but when you move the sticks...it goes. The 3D type manuevers are going to be much easier with the new head. If you shove cyclic in it, its going inverted and RIGHT then....no more waiting on it to move. Hovering is easier with the new head. The stock blade head is sluggish. Its ok for relatively new pilots, but once you get good at hovering and forward flight, the stock head is sloooooow. The bell/hiller head makes hovering easier because when you input commands, it does it immediatly, no hesitation.

You know how when you are in forward flight, and you turn a corner, you dont want to over bank the heli with the stock head, because it takes a while for it to roll out of the bank on exit, and its easy to overcontrol it and get out of control....well the new head...go ahead and bank it. Yank that sucker up on knife-edge, and pull as hard as you can. When you go to level it out, its got plenty of agility left to do it.

For those of you learning on the Blade CP, I cant tell if it would be better for you or not. My gut says "Yes". Unfortunatly I cant go back to being a beginner to see. It would seem to me like the faster response would make it easier, because it would help to eliminate overcontrolling the heli.

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RE: Bdavison's E-flite Blade Assembly - 12/12/2005 6:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wow you just sold me I have to get it. This would be the thing right?
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Shop/ByCategory/Product/Default.aspx?ProdID=EFLH1170

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RE: Bdavison's E-flite Blade Assembly - 12/12/2005 6:44 PM   
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For those of you learning on the Blade CP, I cant tell if it would be better for you or not. My gut says "Yes". Unfortunatly I cant go back to being a beginner to see. It would seem to me like the faster response would make it easier, because it would help to eliminate overcontrolling the heli.


I think it would be easier. Even though I have had my Blade since the middle of November I have only run 4 "charges" through it, so I'm truely still a beginner. I've been running the TP 1320mAh lipo since charge #3, but I've been using the stock motor and flat bottom blades. I did add the heatsinks to the motors but I haven't installed the aerobatic enhancement kit motor yet since I haven't been using much throttle. Anyway, for #4 charge I moved the weights on the flybar all the way in and installed the symmetrical blades from the aerobatic enhancement kit. And boy what a difference! It was so much easier to keep a somewhat stable hover. It was much more responsive and I didn't over-correct when things started going awry. I have my Bell/Hiller upgrade on order, and as soon as it comes in I'll be slapping it on. And I'll be exchanging all my flat bottom blades for the symmetrical ones. I may even try a set of those carbon fiber blades!

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RE: Bdavison's E-flite Blade Assembly - 12/12/2005 6:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Have you guys thought of getting this ?

http://www.rc-expert.com/product-upgrade.php?pid=80#o-alu-esky-rotorhead

It will fit on the stock BCP setup.

For $110 it seems like a great deal. By time you subract the $35 price for the CNC swash and the Bell hiller upgrade at $25, this isn't unreasonable for a full metal head, $55 buck over the price of just a swash and hiller mix! This is looking pretty attractive.





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RE: Bdavison's E-flite Blade Assembly - 12/12/2005 7:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		I went for it.
When I get it, I'll take some pics both by itself and installed.

I've spent almost that much just in plastic parts breaking!

IMO I think that the full metal head for 110 bucks with the bell hiller upgrade is a great investment if you are keeping your BCP (which I am).

Hopefully I get it soon

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RE: Bdavison's E-flite Blade Assembly - 12/12/2005 7:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, that is a pretty good deal for an all metal head, and thats almost an exact duplicate of the E-sky head. The E-flite head is different. Instead of having the mixer arms inside the flybar loop like the E-sky head, E-flite put the mixer arms attached to the blade grips themselves. I dont think it will make much difference though.
I still dont have the new head on my Blade, and once you fly the new head you will really notice the difference. I have a hard time flying my Blade now, because the bell/hiller head that Bill had on his spoiled me flying it. I go to fly mine, and I'm like..."COME ON...MOVE ALREADY".

I just bought the aluminum swashplate. Its pretty nice. Really rigid and stiff, and the bearing in it is glassy smooth, but if I had know that head was there for that cheap, I would have just ordered it instead....still might.

Guys, the more I fly it with the carbon fiber tail rotor....well its awesome. The tail is much more responsive. I think the lighter weight of the carbon tail rotor is allowing it to change RPM's faster resulting in more precise tail movement....probably less work for the tail motor too.



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RE: Bdavison's E-flite Blade Assembly - 12/12/2005 7:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Is the E-Sky swash a drop-in replacement like the E-flight? Or does it need frame modifications and a new anti-rotation bracket? And can it be used with the E-flight swash instead of the E-sky swash? I really like the quality of the E-flight unit and would hate to give it up.

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RE: Bdavison's E-flite Blade Assembly - 12/12/2005 8:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		How is RC-Expert with ordering? Are they trustworthy?

How can you tell that that machined head has a Bell/Hiller system?

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RE: Bdavison's E-flite Blade Assembly - 12/12/2005 8:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Im gonna have to let Bill Altman answer that one. I dont know what is entailed in putting the E-sky head on the Blade. From what I understand, is that it is plug and play. It just fits on like it was designed for it. I still think E-sky makes the parts for the E-flite Blade, but E-flite denies this...its just really odd that EVERY single part on the E-sky Carbooon CP heli is EXACTLY the same as the Blade, and I do mean EXACTLY. The only thing different is the canopy.

Bill is supposed to be getting me a bell/hiller head for mine, so once I install it Ill let you know.

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RE: Bdavison's E-flite Blade Assembly - 12/12/2005 8:50 PM   
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How is RC-Expert with ordering? Are they trustworthy?

How can you tell that that machined head has a Bell/Hiller system?


Well I hope they are good with ordering. You can tell the machined head has the bell/hiller system just by looking at it (you can see the b/h links on the blade grips)

For 110 bucks you drop in a CNC machined head with the metal swash and metal bell/hiller sys... i can't wait to get it !!

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RE: Bdavison's E-flite Blade Assembly - 12/12/2005 9:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well do please let us know how they are. I'll have $120 waiting for it I'm sure. Anybody else have an opinion on RC-Expert?

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RE: Bdavison's E-flite Blade Assembly - 12/12/2005 10:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've converted my blade cp to bell/hiller using the esky parts, but have had difficulty getting the correct parts. The original bell/hiller parts I ordered from balsaproducts were wrong, balsapr assured me they would send the correct parts when they received them. I've been waiting for over a month. Anyway, I ordered the same parts from Helihobby and got them to work by installing bushings in the mixing levers. It's been working great. I have 3 sets suppose to be coming from balsapr anytime, And I definately want to get one to bdavison. The e-flight ones should be here soon also.
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RE: Bdavison's E-flite Blade Assembly - 12/12/2005 10:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Great thread. I'm sure I will be back to it fairly soon... I smell a big crash and burn comming on..... LOL.

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RE: Bdavison's E-flite Blade Assembly - 12/12/2005 10:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bill, are you going flying tonight?

Ill have my Carbooon heli out there tonight, and of course the T&J plane...Ill also bring those new wings so you can check out the paintjob up close. Tony said he is coming tonight, so hopefully we will get some flying done.

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RE: Bdavison's E-flite Blade Assembly - 12/13/2005 7:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry I missed it last night ,couldn't make it in time. I just heard that was our last time til January 4th 2006. Bummer, unless you can find another place to fly, let me know i'll try and be in town thursday and friday. I could drop off the blanks to you some time also. Still want to check out the paint job on the mini. Thanks for posting the video.
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RE: Bdavison's E-flite Blade Assembly - 12/13/2005 10:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Feel free to stop by the house after 6pm on Thursday, Ill be there. Wait till you see what paintjob I have planned for Devin McGrath's plane. Its gonna be hot...literally. I also have a HUGE electric F-15 eagle that should be showing up anytime now.

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RE: Bdavison's E-flite Blade Assembly - 12/16/2005 12:48 AM   
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