Moderators, Please do not close threads that are still on topic by the majority!!! Evan, myself, and others were still discussing the Freya/Raptor topic and to close the thread because of a few rotten apples is not right. I think you guys need to find another alternative for handling off-topic comments. I would rather you delete or comment out their post than lock the thread. This type or response will not keep me frequenting this board long.
Evan, Yes, as you mentioned in your last post on the other thread the Fury had some issues at first(namely the frame area around the clutch needing more support) when released. All kits have this just like the Raptor 60 did with the red tail gears, head block, auto-rotation hub, etc. The issue that speaks volumes about TT is how quick they corrected some designs and re-issued a V2 option kit FREE OF CHARGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Since those issues have been addressed there has only been one known problem with the R60 design. Specifically, the tail rotor torque tube ends were slipping loose causing loss power to the tail. For the last year owners have been aware of this and some have drilled and inserted a pin through the shaft/end to prevent any issues. Other than this issue the Raptor 60 is proving to be one of the most solid platforms.
So, my point is that you probably jumped off the R60 to quick. It's a great machine fully capable and for the $ it is an excellent choice.
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I agree with what you say, but, I'm pretty happy with the freya now. Both make good sport helos. Another point no one is making on this thread thats a surprise to me is the helo kit is only a small part of the big picture. Choosing a .61 or a .91, good servos or mediocre servos and gyro really are what makes a helo cheap or expensive. The kit is just a starting point. Another point not tlked about is the maintenance, the R60 was basically no maintenance, so is the Freya, hows the Fury?
Well, the Fury is a bugger to get dialed in. I'm not saying it is poor to setup but rather that the mechs are not for your beginner builder. MA ships have always been a quite labor intensive to build and maintain. BUT, compared to the Pro 2k, SE,..... the new frame layout is more friendly.
Overall if you are builder that likes to take pride in your setup and spends time getting things spot on then you will like the Fury. But, it's certainly no Raptor or Freya. For example the mainshaft/crowngear/autorotation unit are all stacked in such a way that pulling the head/and mainshaft as one unit is more difficult. It's little things like this that differ it from a Raptor where you just remove the lower Jesus bolt and mainshaft lockring and lift right up.
For me, working on the Fury didn't bother me as much as opening the wallet at the register or checkout screen!!!
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Maintenance.....
What is the use of all that dialing in? I know the Fury is a better machine than the Raptor or Freya but what makes it better? Is there more than one way to dial it in or is it just to balance and align everything. If it's just to align everything then why not make a Fury that has everything set up so you don't have to align? Is it just too hard to manufacture a good machine like that?
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There are some helos that you seem to have to work on every night before you fly to get the bugs out that showed up the last time you flyed. I don't miss that at all...
Yup, I agree with that. Been fighting the Falcon SE V2 tailrotor system all summer. Couldn't get enough pitch, fixed that. Now, can get the tail to quit wagging in right hand turns!!! Argghhhh The only issue I haven't been able to solve so far. Problem is as I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO!!!! Century, are you listening??
Well, the I was orginally having problems with the Falcon tail providing enough pitch to piro the heli to the left in while moving. On a simple 540 stall turn if I was in motion it wouldn't piro until almost all momentum was done. So, I found the problem to be the pitch fork and slider not allowing enough pitch when using the GY401. I installed the R60 tail rotor fork & links, grips, hub, bearings and that solved that problem.
Now, all I have left is this crazy wag that I get when doing a right hand turn. The tail will wag left and right just like you see when the gain is to high on a gyro. It doesn't do it on left turns. Just on clockwise stuff. As a matter of fact, if I remember correctly it did it with the stock tail parts.
I changed my tail blades from 95mm NHPs to 85mm NHPs and that seemed to reduce the wag about 50%. So, I am beginning to think that either slop from the geartrain in the tail rotor case or the front maingear/drive coupler is the cause. Don't know. How much gear backlash to you have when holding the mains stationary?
RCAdd1ct, Well, since you are already in a R50 then the R60 would make sense because of parts similarities and brand familiarity. The R60 is a blown up version of the 30/50 with some design changes to the grips(zero delta & leading edge control), driven tail, stacked frame. This is about as maintenance free as it gets. A confidence building machine good for beginners to advanced hard-core 3D.
If you want to got the big block route you will need a metal fan, heavy duty clutch/clutch bell, proper gear ratio, and 550cc tank. The 90 option kit has all the stuff you need except for the metal fan. It will go like stink when you get it all done. There are metal head blocks, grips, yada yada yada available for the R60. Alot of options out there.
The Freya in 80 or 90 format is equally impressive. On the other thread we beat the discussion up pretty good but I think we ended up debating whether or not the extra $ made the Freya worth it. IMHO I don't think so but then again I don't own a Freya. Only have flown and helped setup a few.
On the otherhand, if you got the $ and don't put it in often and can afford $200 + blades on average then you might look at the "high end" machines instead. I like the Fury myself haveing owned one. The Vigor CS rips it up pretty good too. Can't comment on the Futura or Mille but Robbe is losing the 3D game little by little here in the States.
For the most part the funflies are dominated by Hirobo, TT, X-Cell. Century is trying to get in the game with the Falcon SE v2 and the 60 size Predator to be released early 2003. So, for 3D there are you options.
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The Freya is an excellent ship, I have had mine for 2 months now, and I love it. I have had not one problem with this ship, it is so smooth, and the present kit comes with everything you need to use a 61,80, or 91 engine. Hirobo has top quality parts, and is by far one of the leaders in RC Heli's, the service offered by Jeff Green cannot be better, upgrades are top notch, and you will never regret the Freya. I have a YS80 in mine, and it does everything you want it to do. I would highly recommend looking at both ships, and making your decision from there. Personally, I am not a big Raptor fan, but they seem to have a loyal following. Daz... Here is a pic of mine
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