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RE: Is POWERMASTER cheating? - 8/18/2005 12:27:15 AM   
PLANE JIM



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Status: offline 		Powermaster Fuels stood behind the product with no reservations-sent one email and answered one email from them and they took care of the shortage beyond what was expected-and did this in a two day period-I am completely satisfied and will continue to use the product-I have never had a fuel problem at the field-although I have seen other guys dead stick all day and switch to powermaster and the problem goes away-I am no expert, and the way unleaded gas is being priced I will be trying glow fuel before the winter in the Suburban

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RE: Is POWERMASTER cheating? - 8/18/2005 3:54:34 AM   
Jim Thomerson



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Status: offline 		Being fair-minded and flying with Sig fuel, I mention the following. I have had no problem, but a friend has had a problem with newer Sig gallon jugs developing small cracks on the bottom and leaking. I plan to buy several cases of Sig fuel in September. I am rounding up my old fuel jugs and cans, just in case.

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RE: Is POWERMASTER cheating? - 8/18/2005 9:38:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm with PLANE JIM, Ed Smith and Powermaster. As was promised the brown truck arrived today at about 4pm. I have already passed along the contents of my conversation with Laura Hammond, Vice President of Powermaster in this thread. I have passed my thoughts along about this matter throughout this thread as well. The bottom line is that I was advised to contact the manufacturer Powermaster and did so. IMHO I was treated very kindly and with concern about the shortage and my inconvienience. People are human and make mistakes, machines are machines and can go out of calibration or break. Powermaster has stood behind the product and behind me as the customer. I also will continue to purchase Powermaster products factory direct if I have to. My hat is off to Laura and the gang at Powermaster for a job well done. A special thanks to Laura as like PLANE JIM, I too was more than compensated for the shortage that I experienced. Powermaster has gained my respect and admiration for the way the matter was handled and with that, I respectfully remain .

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RE: Is POWERMASTER cheating? - 8/19/2005 4:09:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Since I was the one who started this thread, I would like to give you my final thoughts regarding this topic.

Yes, POWERMASTER did have a problem with their filling equipment which resulted in some shortages, but also some overages. Yes, I could have chosen other words, but it got people's attention. Yes, I could have called POWERMASTER and kept this private, thus benefiting only myself.

The course taken allowed POWERMASTER to step up to the plate and hit a home-run. They've proved to us all that they're a quality company, run by quality people, making the best quality fuel in the business.

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RE: Is POWERMASTER cheating? - 8/19/2005 4:45:33 PM   
olstoney



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Status: offline 		Agreed, although I did see something about this same subject some time ago elsewhere. That post and yours led to my checking the first gallon out of the seven I bought from the same batch number. My photo results were posted, Powermaster took care of the problem and of course you got the wheels turning. Just another thank you here to everyone involved .

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RE: Is POWERMASTER cheating? - 8/24/2005 5:16:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		I too notice a can of Power Master 20/20 being a little short but not much I can do about it. That they recognized the problem and have taken action is good. But for such a highly reputable product to have such lousy quality control makes one wonder about the rest of the stuff (e.g. percents nitro or lube). There could be a serious problem for a premium product. I hope matters improve for them but I would recommend getting rid of the cans.

Cheers,

Chip

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RE: Is POWERMASTER cheating? - 8/24/2005 8:05:21 PM   
I_FLY_CL


 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: wcmorrison

I too notice a can of Power Master 20/20 being a little short but not much I can do about it. That they recognized the problem and have taken action is good. But for such a highly reputable product to have such lousy quality control makes one wonder about the rest of the stuff (e.g. percents nitro or lube). There could be a serious problem for a premium product. I hope matters improve for them but I would recommend getting rid of the cans.

Cheers,

Chip


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RE: Is POWERMASTER cheating? - 8/24/2005 9:01:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		This thread's been pretty interesting and raises questions about manufacturing processes, but isn't it great that we even have something like this to discuss. I've been bent about a lot of things, like the AMA's videos, etc., and was just yesterday lamenting to Global Hobby the fact that we can't get Lazy Bee kits anymore. They (Global Hobby) gave an immediate and reasonable reply as to why, but it got me to thinking that our hobby is a relatively small part of the world and we have so much selection of so many components from so many suppliers that it's absolutely amazing. And how many of them are just barely making it on our business? This all's a pretty enjoyable hobby and I'm glad so many are willing to serve us. Someday there just might no be so much to complain about, and then we can complain about THAT! I'm impressed with how Power Master handled this and thank them for making our hobby possible. The capital they've invested in making fuel might well be more profitably be deployed somewhere else, but my guess is they think our hobby's worth investing in for more than just the money. Again, great thread.

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RE: Is POWERMASTER cheating? - 8/25/2005 11:34:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		I wonder if Powermaster has revised their policy about shipping factory direct to people who live in Texas.
I e-mailed them once to order,and all I got was Sorry, no shipping to Texas unless you are a dealer.
What a rip-off.
Mike

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RE: Is POWERMASTER cheating? - 8/26/2005 4:37:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've got my own issues with Powermaster, but it was from about 7 or 8 yrs ago. PM had a bad batch of fuel(YS20/20), causing many YS 120 owners to burn up their engines. I found out on the net before using any of the case of fuel I bought. I called PM, Don Nix asked for the lot#, said yes, it was defective and shipped me a replacement case. The problem is, PM wouldn't replace any of the burned up $400 engines, which I find reprehensible given that PM admitted it was defective fuel. The really funny part is, the replacement case of 4 jugs started leaking(all 4 plastic jugs). Needless to say, I wasn't going to use it in my YS, ended up using it in a .45 2 stroke that I didn't care about. It worked fine, but that was my last use of Powermaster and I highly doubt I ever will again.

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RE: Is POWERMASTER cheating? - 8/26/2005 4:39:57 PM   
I_FLY_CL


 

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What fuel do you recommend

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RE: Is POWERMASTER cheating? - 8/26/2005 5:40:24 PM   
olstoney



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Status: offline 		I FLY CL,
There was no problem with the quality of the fuel blends during the underages and overages. That is the concern of what occurred here and the subject of this thread. DaveR is pointing out something that happened many years ago. IMHO his comment and how things happened then, has no relevance as to what really happened here. Even though some of my gallon cans were short the fuel was just fine. Let your judgement about what happened here and how it was handled be your guide. As I stated before if my LHS discontinues to carry Powermaster fuels, I'll just call Laura and have her send me a case or two .

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RE: Is POWERMASTER cheating? - 8/26/2005 10:15:52 PM   
proptop



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Status: offline 		After reading this thread several days ago, I checked some of the cases I have...

I found that both the 10% and 15% that I have are short a substantial amount.
I poured the contents of the PM metal can into a plastic jug, and it came up 2-3" lower than a full jug.

Jeez, I've got 3 cases of 10%, 3 of 15% and 2 of 20/20...
I checked 2 cans of each case, and they're all shy...

I plan on calling Monday to see what Laura can do for me...

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RE: Is POWERMASTER cheating? - 8/26/2005 10:31:43 PM   
olstoney



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Make sure that you have the batch numbers handy when you call. Laura advised me that PM has a pretty good handle on which batch numbers were involved. If you get her voicemail leave a message with your number and the best time to call. Laura returned the call the next day promptly at 4pm when I asked her to.

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RE: Is POWERMASTER cheating? - 8/26/2005 11:42:17 PM   
Ed Smith


 

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Read my post #38. I established a relationship between the volume of fuel and what a gallon should weigh with the can. Remembering that my fuel was 15%nitro and 18% oil. Blends close to this should not differ that much.

Weigh your fuel and check it that way it is quick and easy.

Ed S

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RE: Is POWERMASTER cheating? - 8/27/2005 12:29:37 AM   
RC-Captain



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Status: offline 		This is a complete rip off ! After weighing my newly bought cans of powermaster I came up with 1.29 pounds of fuel missing from the can. I just want to know if I call this lady? what will she do? and should I buy the fuel again ? I am not mad because this is the first time I have bought powermaster due to the low price . Help me out Bros.

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