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RE: Walkera Dragonfly #36 - 10/27/2005 12:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Any binding of the linkages etc will also cause more strain on the servos resulting in higher current draw resulting in more work for the poor regulator in the walker esc/receiver combo. Not a pretty thing. You likely wouldn't go wrong by replacing the receiver and removing *any* binding in the linkages. If you want to stay with the stock receiver/transmitter then opening up the receiver, adding heat sinks and making sure nothing has undo resistance/binding will go a long way.

You should be able to unhook the servo arms from the head and gently blow on the flybar paddles and have them move down, then back to ~center if things are free of binding and everything is balanced.


I got in my "for parts" 36 today. It came with two sets of blades that are different from what my previous 36 came with (two different types of blades) for a total of 3 different blades. I also have carbon fiber blades now but I may take them off and try these plastic blades although the quality seems to be lacking. One set seems to match up ok but in the other one blade is wider (by about 2 mm) than the other!! I'm pretty sure this is "a bad thing" I also got a bunch of brass ball links to play with. I'm hoping by using some shogun linkages and these balls I can almost completely do away with zbends which will remove a lot of potential slop in the controls.

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RE: Walkera Dragonfly #36 - 10/27/2005 1:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Greetings from Helinewb, I have a handme down #36 problem child... witch I think I fixed last night! I used scotch double sided tape on the tail boom to secure it from relocating and having belt loosen, I replaced the rudder (tail rotor) servo with a spare Dymond 4.7 gram. I think thas is the one item you all must do!--> Replace the brushed speed control with one from a GWS flight pack!<-- My #36 gyro function and servo control came alive not to mention the head speed is very crisp! I found the speed control in my parts bin from an electric GWS formosa kit I converted to brushless and lipo set up.

I was also having gyro trouble as I see a few of you also have, it appears to have left the house with the speed controls replacement! Well mine hovered like a store demo by the manager and my confidence level is well out of the bucket now. I really thik it was the speed control, since reading the many posts of same troubles...

also to confirm.. PLT and PZT controls are inverted on the lables on my transmitter (yous as well) the control are good, resisted dropping in a new reciever and powering up my optic 6 just to see if i could find the fix. So if you have a sluggish gyro poor rudder function short durration flights on 1800 mah pack drop in the old brushed mototr speed control from that GWS foamy you have as spare parts. I will fly today with excitement!

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RE: Walkera Dragonfly #36 - 10/27/2005 10:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		I really need to take advantage of the spell check feature... sorry im new to this kind of format. I am going to upload photos of my equipment tonight, speed control placement, mods, added parts... (i did add a part to my 36 from an Shogun it the aluminum clamp under the rotor above the pitch collar) i'll get the part number next post.

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RE: Walkera Dragonfly #36 - 10/28/2005 6:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hello I am new to RC Helicopter I have a walkera 36 with metal head assembly I bought it from http://www.rc-toy.com/ProductShow.asp?id=586 It came with everything. The battaries that came with it were new both nicad and the lipo. I am not using the included charger i bought Duratrax inteli Ice well worth the money. I am buying my spare parts all from http://www.modefosheli.com (a us store) Remember that the front of the Heli is a shogun and the tail is a trex. The company i bought it from; if you buy it from his ebay store he will include an instruction manual thhttp://cgi.ebay.com/Dragonfly-36C-Special-metal-rotor-head-part-with-6CH-3D_W0QQitemZ6008422806QQcategoryZ2563QQcmdZViewItem it is different from the manufacture it covers everything you need to know about the Walkera 36,35,22. Including the controller It is great he also sells it for 15 dollars. It really helped me understand the helicopter. It also includes helpfullinks. (free flight simulator ) I have not flown the heli yet i am still on the flight simulator. Foe all that buy new ones I did find many loose screw and stripped screw i will be replacing mine as aslo the servo to hitech hs5-55. rember to lube all parts and chek that all grears mesh correctly mines were totaly over tighten. will post picture of my helicopter next week when I hope to have it complete. I am also using a Hirobo Lama xrb to learn to hover it is a great investment for us new heli pilots

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RE: Walkera Dragonfly #36 - 10/28/2005 7:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hmmm. My 36 has developed a jumpy collective. I think this is happening around 0 deg pitch and is quite annoying. The pitch stays constant while the collective is moved a bit and then jumps to the desired setting. This may be due to the washout base rotating slightly as it has some play. Has anyone else encountered this and does anyone have a fix or a suggestion?

Everything moves VERY freely now (blades take FOREVER to spin down now). I can rotate the heli by hand (to test the gyro for instance) and my blades will do ~1/3 rotation =)

This may have to do with quite high head speeds as well. I generally have 0 pitch at 50+ % throttle :/


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RE: Walkera Dragonfly #36 - 10/28/2005 8:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Mikey,
I put the Shogun v2 holder on my 36, it cost 8.oo and really made the control more steady.

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RE: Walkera Dragonfly #36 - 10/28/2005 8:13 PM   
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RE: Walkera Dragonfly #36 - 10/30/2005 12:04 PM   
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Anyone have a Align ESC?, OR other Programable ESC. It seems like the transmitter is not communicating with the ESC therefore, I am still in the aircraft and Gladier mode and I really need it to be in Helicopter mode. Let me know if this is even possible with walkera TX/RX

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RE: Walkera Dragonfly #36 - 10/30/2005 1:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have an Align ESC, although I dont use it with the Walkera Transmitter.

However, I can almost gurantee you that it will work. The Walkera Receiver will drive any normal servo, and an ESC just looks like another servo as far as the Receiver is concerned.

You *may* need to flip the reversing switch on the back of the Transmitter (careful doing this incase you suddenly get full throttle).

You can tell if its the wrong way around by the beeps the Align ESC puts out on power up.

It should first do 3-rising beeps when you apply power. Then, if or when the Transmitter is switched on and the ESC is receiving a valid signal it makes a "rah-rah" rising and falling double note.

If it goes into program mode (indicated by the 5-tone rising sequence), but your throttle stick is set to minimum, then its probably backwards, since it goes into program mode when you turn it on with the stick at maximum.

You can also tell what programming options are set by listening to the subsequent beep patterns after the power-up tones.

It takes a little practice to understand the documentation and the various beep codes, but given that an ESC has no buttons or display its the only way to do it.


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RE: Walkera Dragonfly #36 - 10/30/2005 3:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi mate

what rx contoller do you reconmend as you talk about gws.I have a 36 and my rx seems to play up i have a align 25a esc and changed my servos,just intrested in what controller you are talking about,and will it work with the walkera tx.

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RE: Walkera Dragonfly #36 - 10/30/2005 6:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		I havent heard of anyone getting any other receiver to work with the Walkera Transmitter yet. Has anyone else ?

I tried it with a 36Mhz micro receiver I had spare and got no signal, so I changed to a Futaba 7C transmitter with a modified Novak Xxtra receiver..

Which reciever you should use will depend on what Transmitter you get and the frequencies available to you. Apparently the "Berg" receivers are popular with chopper pilots.



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RE: Walkera Dragonfly #36 - 10/30/2005 10:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Greetings fellow #36 sufferers, lol.
Well my story starts with another fun flight, then i noticed sluggish forward and aft control, quickly landed. Durring bench testing everything seemed to be free and with out binding, was rotating sticks... good good... what?? noooooo not smoke! unpluged batt ASAP. Casualty list: aleron and elevator servos and receiver are now inoperative. Dissambly of servo showed negitive wire disconnected from servo motor control and welded to power wire inside servo for forward/aft. soo im going shopping or setting up my Optic6 and a pair of good servos. I got to fly now because i'm hooked on Heli! I may just move into a T-rex 450xl pro. See ya all after a few.

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RE: Walkera Dragonfly #36 - 10/30/2005 11:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		i got my heli to fly now...
and all i had to do was make it look like crap.

the other 36 poll post has the pics of it..

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RE: Walkera Dragonfly #36 - 10/31/2005 5:39 AM   
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Thanks for all your information it's been great reading and very informative, I can get my dragonfly 36 to take off no prob, but can't stop it rotating anticlockwise as soon as it gets off the ground, any suggestions would be great, Thanks. Dave.

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RE: Walkera Dragonfly #36 - 10/31/2005 6:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi, Spookie Tech

I tried your way by switching the throttle on the back, but I still couldn't get into the program mode. My friend who owns a T-rex with Align ESC, couldn't figure out. Anyone out there have programed a Align ESC with Walkera TX and RX setup? Please let me know how's done.

Also, my W36 just recently starting to wabble a lot. I know the main shift is slightly bend, but I never have any problem with it before and I haven't crashed it for a long time. It was flying fine one day and then I putted a metal tail blade holder and the next time that I flown it, it stat to wabble very much. I wonder if it's the ESC in the aircraft mode?

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RE: Walkera Dragonfly #36 - 10/31/2005 8:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Clint back hi guys .Just got my 36 ,i can see now....my heli wont be flying ...looks like my gyro is scrap...the servo drifts totaly to the left when pluged through the gyro..unplug the gyro ...and in again it would center the servo then 30 sec to a min or so its lockes to the left.....colective servo is scrap.. the machine looks like it should fly nice though...what a rip hey. see my profile...cool

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RE: Walkera Dragonfly #36 - 10/31/2005 8:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		I had a few interesting test flights and tweaking/playing with the tail tonight.

I found out that the way the tail came I could not get enough pitch on the tail to rotate the heli much at all against the rotor blades. The other direction could spin like mad! I took a look at the tail geometry and noticed that if I unhooked the blades and flipped them that I would get more tail authority in the direction I wanted! I flipped them (and this is important) and flipped the belt in the tail so that they still rotated towards the front of the tail blades and voila. Much better tail control. I am charging the battery again and will try to have a longer test flight tomorrow. Currently, when I rotate the main blades the tail rotates counter clockwise when viewed from the tail rotor side of the heli (top of the arc of the tail blades goes from front to back). What direction does everyone elses tail blades go in and do you have good control with the direction you have or not? This might be another potential fix for those having tail control issues. I had to flip the gyro and servo direction after this as well as the heli would rotate counter clockwise after takeoff otherwise. To summarize some tail control issues that I replicated in testing things tonight...

Poor control in one direction
- Check that the blades can deflect enough for that direction.
- Try flipping the tail blade lever balls to slider links. (swap each blades ball with the others link). See if this gives you more throw in the desired direction. You will likely have to flip the belt in the tail as well. Make sure the belt does not rotate more than 90 deg from front pulley to tail pulley. If you do this I think the belt may click as the tail is spun (rubbing on itself).
- See if you can adjust the tail blade hub's position on the tail shaft (this can increase your overall throw as well as providing fine grain control over the default pitch of the tail blades when the lever arm on the tail is at 90 degrees to the boom which in turn means more overall blade pitch in that direction). Ensure that the hex-grub screw is still seated on the flat ground into the tail shaft.
- Try testing with and without the gyro (not necessarily flying, just testing the way the tail moves and how much).
- Check that there is almost no perceivable tension/friction when rotating the tail by hand (in the normal direction of movement). This could be robbing power and essentially putting the throttle curve behind the pitch curve). Can be masked by adding more power (IE Brushless motor) but is still sapping performance and efficiency!! This could also lead to premature burnout of the tail servo, main motor, etc.

Poor control in both directions
- Make sure the tail blades are spinning in the correct direction
- Try adjusting the gyro's radian extent (might be called gain in some?) trim pot to gain more throw.
- Try lowering the blade pitch to increase headspeed. If you have a computer radio /receiver increase the throttle curve a bit and decrease the pitch curve a bit from the start of the hover range on up.
- Try flipping the lei sure switch on the gyro.
- Check that there is almost no perceivable tension/friction when rotating the tail by hand (in the normal direction of movement). This could be robbing power and essentially putting the throttle curve behind the pitch curve). Can be masked by adding more power (IE Brushless motor) but is still sapping performance and efficiency!! This could also lead to premature burnout of the tail servo, main motor, etc.

Heli spinning counter clockwise (against main blade rotation).
- Try reversing gyro and/or tail servo (via radio )
- Make sure tail is rotating in correct direction (towards the front of the tail blades)
- Check for a loose pully (this can happen if the tiny retaining pin comes out of either the front or the rear pulleys).
- Make sure the tail blade hub is tight (use loctite) on the tail shaft.
- Make sure you have enough tail belt tension to keep the belt from slipping but no more!


I also found that my gyro seems to be 1/2 heading hold! Sitting with it on my table (powered on) I can move the tail in one direction and the gyro moves the blades to counter and HOLDS THERE INDEFINITELY. When I recenter the tail the blades swing back nicely. When I swing in the other direction the gyro again compensates, but then quickly starts a slow drift towards center . This effectively means that the heli will likely slowly rotate in one direction as the gyro compensates (it will act normally in one direction, and slow to center in the other).

I then noticed another oddity. In the other mode (flipping the Lei sure switch to the front of the heli) one direction has SLOW gyro response but FAST servo response and FAST centering. The other direction has FAST Gyro response, FAST Servo response, and SLOW centering. It *almost* seems like it would cancel out in flight but not really lol. I'm thinking this gyro just isn't quite right but that is ok as it actually flies ok in this mode. A little drift and a little slow to respond at times but flyable. If I wanted to put more money into this the gyro would likely be the first to go.

I changed my upper mixing arms around a bit and got much better collective pitch control with no twisting now (This has cured the delayed collective pitch response). It involved putting on two metal balls (one front, one back) rather than the zbend that mine came with (the zbend was from upper arm to the blade grips). I'm about to switch out my collective pitch servo as the original walkera one will intermittently buzz now and I suspect it may be on the way out. I have some hs-55's around and I think these will work well.

Sorry for the rambling post

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RE: Walkera Dragonfly #36 - 11/1/2005 3:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've just put a Futaba-GY240 in the 36 and it's working normally - or at least as it should. The Walkera gyro is a waste of time, too slow and random movements. I'm waiting for RC-Expert to replace the metal rotorhead that had stripped threads and then I'll post pics.

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RE: Walkera Dragonfly #36 - 11/1/2005 3:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		I just took my Gy240 off and put the original Walkera Gyro back on and took it for fly just to see what the difference is like back to back. Something I've been meaning to do, but only just had time to now.

The good news for people on a limited budget is that the Walkera Gyro does work *well enough* to fly gently. mostly..

It certainly doesnt have the solid feel of the Gy240, and if you suddenly open the throttle, the tail will torque around before the gyro responds enough to stop it, meaning I had to put in a bit of rudder side-stick as well when climbing.. It also seemed to develop moments of Tail Wag more easily which would settle down again after 5 or 10 seconds.

Its is flyable though.. Given that it probably costs about $30, compared to $180 (Australian $) for the Gy240 it fits the rest of the electronics in being "just good enough" to be marginally useable.. That seems to be the philosophy behind most chinese-made products. make it barely as good as we can get away with and that will allow the cost to be the lowest possible.

A better gyro unquestionably makes it easier and more fun to fly if your wallet will bear it though..


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RE: Walkera Dragonfly #36 - 11/1/2005 6:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		My stock motor W#36 maiden flight. It's stock out of the box except the motor hear sink and the battery pack, I use 3S TP 2000 prolite lipo. I'm surprised that I did not even touch the gyro setting and only minor trims on the radio .



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RE: Walkera Dragonfly #36 - 11/1/2005 9:47 AM   
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Well i made my home made heat sink from computer junk,any computer store will give you them for free as they throw them away all the time.thats were this is from...works good its fairley large and in my test made a big difference.I sent my gyro back to Hobby-Estore and a servo and Im back to waiting again....I rebuilt all linkage and rotor head now they work really smooth...there was some binding they do throw them together quickly so check it by hand dismantling it, it's worth it and it's fun.so I can run the motor, main rotor tail rotor and cyclic....the brushless motor and Lipo battery seem amazing for the power it appears to put out...I balanced the fly bar and set tracking for the main rotor blades and I had some weight holding it down and I couldn't believe it was trying to pull it all off the ground.my last electric helicopter the dark Knight was nowhere near this powerful...cool hu.tomorrow I'll dynamically balance the rotor, that means balancing by weight when the rotor is spinning as opposed to static balance when you take them off and just compare them to each other...I don't bother with static balance because helicopters don't fly with stopped blades....so do your dynamic balancing.here's an easy way to do it ,take black tape reverse it so sticky side is out then tension it around one rotor blade fire it up sliding the tape up and down the blade if it gets worse take it off and do the other blade....once you found the dynamic balance point(sweet Spot) then use something nice and permanent to take its place...there now it's dynamically balanced....it's way better than static.I have been doing this for years I'll post more tips as I think of them.Anyone can email me..see my profile...Clint out

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RE: Walkera Dragonfly #36 - 11/1/2005 10:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		Back in the air tonight. The first attempt found that one of the metal balls on the swashplate was screwed in a little much and with just the wrong cyclic would catch one of the balls on the inner ring (it was sticking into the inside from the outside). This immediately broke both washout arms/lower mixing arms. Bummer lol. Some ca, a dremal, and facial tissue and all was well again. I picked up some 262 red high strength loctite and so far so good with it.

Flew pretty good but the tail is definitely way more responsive initially in one direction and if I give it a lot of right the tail will whip back left again after I let go. If I feed in left it is quite slow to respond but doesn't whip back after. Go figure lol.

My collective is still jumpy and is due to excess play. I really should find the shogun v2 washout base/anti rotation thingy and install it. I'll keep searching but does anyone know a good place to order these from and what parts would be needed to install on a 36? I'm thinking there is some kind of shaft collar and then a mating piece in/on the washout base?

The jumpy collective makes it fun to fly. Hover hover hover diving at the ground! Hover hover hover shooting up!. Ahh well. Nothing flew at me or off the heli It is quite cold outside but after a 3 minute flight the battery was warm and the motor was warm -> cool. It actually warmed up some after I came inside (no airflow over the heatsink).

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RE: Walkera Dragonfly #36 - 11/1/2005 12:38 PM   
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RE: Walkera Dragonfly #36 - 11/1/2005 7:28 PM   
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RE: Walkera Dragonfly #36 - 11/1/2005 9:04 PM   
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