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sparkling_fist -> RE: Walkera Dragonfly #36 (8/20/2005 2:19:28 AM)

how do you attach the esc to this heli?
pic will be helpful
thanks




millewi -> RE: Walkera Dragonfly #36 (8/20/2005 3:47:26 AM)

Got my new charger in today. Took the 2200 mah that came with my #36 and did a full low amp charge. Only would give me 1400 mah and it took 3 hours to charge. There is no way the charger that came with it was fully charging it and it just ticks me off that they clam it was 2200 mah. The charger I got was the Duratrax Ice seems to do a good job. Just waiting now on my new Li-Po.

Balanced my blades yesterday and Gezz that made a difference with the old girl. Thanks aurora799 for the advice on blade tracking. I havn't attempted it yet but hope to give it a try in a few minutes.

Is anyone not using the heading lock? I read in one of the threads where someone suggested not to. Whats the advantage of using / not using heading lock?




jda3 -> RE: Walkera Dragonfly #36 (8/20/2005 6:11:16 AM)

I agree about setting things up first before you try to hover. But I would like to make an observation. All of these manufactures of these great little machines are responsable for helping in this department as well. If you are going to made sometrhing as complex as one of these heli's you should also accept the responsability to give a very good set of instructions on setting up your product. I am very new to this part of the hobby and am tryiing very hard to learn as much as I can. I purchased a Walkera 36 Z400 without a radio set up. Now when I received my order the company did not even put the regular directions in the package. I know I can go to a web site and get this, but this should be the responsibility of the manufacturer. I can't wait to fly mine, but I have got to go out and find what I need to set this up right again something the manufacture could have done. And in doing it right would probly sell more of thier product thru word of mouth about such good directions. I understand the manufacture of the T-REX gives a complee set of instructions. I know money is the game but we as hobbiest should draw the line on what we are willing to take from someone who sell this equipment and give better instructions. The people who distribute this should demand it of their manufactures. I am sure their are people out there who will say forget it they will never do it. No they won't not until we as the buyer stop supporting them until they do it right. This is only my humble opinion. I hope I did not offend anyone in my statement becaues that is not my intent, it is only to make aware of the problem and get the right people involved to do something about it.
Thank you
Joe




draglin -> RE: Walkera Dragonfly #36 (8/20/2005 1:55:02 PM)

Does anyone know the part number for the one-way bearing? I think it is HM036-026 the Unilateralism bearing. When the copter gets warm it starts slipping. Will I need to replace a gear also?




mrcrabbiepattie -> RE: Walkera Dragonfly #36 (8/20/2005 4:35:17 PM)

i have noticed in this forum that the stock batteries suck.... any suggestions?
also stock chargers suck....any suggestions?
also replace the electronics.
many thing i see is be patient and practice.




mrcrabbiepattie -> RE: Walkera Dragonfly #36 (8/20/2005 5:14:13 PM)

also any suggestions on what to do with antenna?




stoogy -> RE: Walkera Dragonfly #36 (8/20/2005 5:27:55 PM)

Mine is just coiled on the landing skids, and it works fine.




Ridder -> RE: Walkera Dragonfly #36 (8/20/2005 10:21:13 PM)

Hi,
I just got my damaged 22E yesterday.
I bought a damaged 22E for trial (and probably error) for $30.
I only need blades , blade nips and a wobbler to get it to fly.
The other parts look OK and the radio works fine.

In about a month my 36 will arrive.
I hope that I can absorb as much knowledge as needed in this forum , which I have been reading for a while now.

Then I don't have to ask questions that have been answered a couple of times before.... (about batteries, chargers etc...)[;)]




sparkling_fist -> RE: Walkera Dragonfly #36 (8/20/2005 10:38:33 PM)

will someone tell me who i put the esc into the reciver! [sm=pirate.gif]
thank you




millewi -> RE: Walkera Dragonfly #36 (8/21/2005 2:23:39 AM)

Well got to fly her today. I don't have a li-po yet but with the new charger I got a good full charge in the nicads. Was a little windy today but this thing is pretty stable. I think all the work on the sim really help though. I had it up to about 7 feet a few times. Thats the good times. LOL well here is the bad. I was fighting some strong wind at one point and had to bring her down. The wind slowed down and I spun her up for liftoff. All of a sudden it pushed to the leftt front and almost flipped. I countered and all is good. Thought to myself what the heck was that.

Well I started up again and had it up about a foot and it did it again but this time it was a crash. Took out a set a blades and ripped off the rear stabilizer fin. I fixed the stripped screws with some Krazy glue and put on some new blades.

I checked it over and don't see any damage. Removed the blades and with just the paddles on checked for any bent shafts. Question though. I was reading where some are having issues with their Speed control overheating and shutting off. I didn't lose rotor but more of a receiver glitch. Does anyone have any suggestions what may have caused it? I considered cell phones since I read that someone said they crashed when their cell phone received a call. Could it be related to receiver / speed control mix and I'm getting some kind of glitch from it? Makes me think so since I was flying for 3 or 4 minutes with no issues.




millewi -> RE: Walkera Dragonfly #36 (8/21/2005 3:07:45 AM)

sparkling_fist
From what I've seen and read. The ESC can be plugged into the throttle channel.. That is what they are doing for brushless motors. Just do some searching in the forums its full of good info.




grant365 -> RE: Walkera Dragonfly #36 (8/21/2005 5:12:43 AM)

I am trying to isolate the cause of the 2 glitches I have had so far. I now have my aerial running from the Rx to the bottom tip of the tail (secured with a small rubber band) and back along the starboard skid where I have threaded it through a some servo tubing for rigidity. The end protrudes about 10cm infront of the skid. It is as far away from the ESC and motor as I can get it. It dosent look pretty but I havent had a glitch yet. The other setup I saw on a video clip has the aerial just hanging but I recon you would risk getting it caught in either of the two rotors.




sparkling_fist -> RE: Walkera Dragonfly #36 (8/21/2005 2:24:26 PM)

but there are 2 sets of cables...
what about the "power" one?




rathalian -> RE: Walkera Dragonfly #36 (8/21/2005 2:29:34 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: millewi

Well got to fly her today. I don't have a li-po yet but with the new charger I got a good full charge in the nicads. Was a little windy today but this thing is pretty stable. I think all the work on the sim really help though. I had it up to about 7 feet a few times. Thats the good times. LOL well here is the bad. I was fighting some strong wind at one point and had to bring her down. The wind slowed down and I spun her up for liftoff. All of a sudden it pushed to the leftt front and almost flipped. I countered and all is good. Thought to myself what the heck was that.

Well I started up again and had it up about a foot and it did it again but this time it was a crash. Took out a set a blades and ripped off the rear stabilizer fin. I fixed the stripped screws with some Krazy glue and put on some new blades.

I checked it over and don't see any damage. Removed the blades and with just the paddles on checked for any bent shafts. Question though. I was reading where some are having issues with their Speed control overheating and shutting off. I didn't lose rotor but more of a receiver glitch. Does anyone have any suggestions what may have caused it? I considered cell phones since I read that someone said they crashed when their cell phone received a call. Could it be related to receiver / speed control mix and I'm getting some kind of glitch from it? Makes me think so since I was flying for 3 or 4 minutes with no issues.


I had a similar problem today - I think *note think* that it was a gust of wind that flipped the heli over as it seemd to be in the same lateral plane....eg direction. Other than that it flew sterlingly considering there was wind. Oh to fly indoors :(




jyc -> RE: Walkera Dragonfly #36 (8/22/2005 1:21:53 PM)

When you use a brushless ESC, you won't need to use those two cables. The battery plugs straight to the ESC and the esc plugs to the brushless motor and the receiver. The ESC will supply the proper power to the receivers and servos. The three connections to the motor can be of any order, but if the directionis reversed, then you will need to switch only two of the three wires around to make it turn the other way.




AIR WOLF 1 -> RE: Walkera Dragonfly #36 (8/24/2005 1:08:33 AM)

hey guys i'm new to this hobby and just wanna know is the walkera a good helicopter to start out with...i mean for the money part yes ,but what about every thing else like parts, performance,can i upgrade parts from my local hobby store...let me know what you think




Spockie-Tech -> RE: Walkera Dragonfly #36 (8/24/2005 3:39:12 AM)

I have two Walkera's (a #35 and a #39) and am just about at the point where I'm going to dump them and buy a T-Rex soon I think.

That said, the Walkera's got me interested enough to decide whether I enjoy it or not with very little money outlay, whereas I might not have "given it a go" if I had to plump for a 'Rex up front $.

Make no mistake, the Walkera's are *cheap*.

The Chinese are masters of making everything *just* strong enough to vaguely function and shaving a quater cent off here and 5 cents off there. That means they can sell a complete "ready to fly" (ready to crash would be more accurate) chopper for the incredibly low prices they do.

It also means that if you want something better, you will pretty much end up replacing the whole thing as if you try and patch it it up with better bits, you will just hit the next weak spot and be frustrated by that.

They will fly, briefly and if everything is gone over with a fine tooth comb, and your cheap batteries hold out for more than a few minutes and your cheap charger doesnt ruin the batteries through overcharging or not charging them enough, or you get bored waiting hours to fly for minutes.

Hopefully the cheap radio system wont glitch on you and cause you to nudge the cheap foam blades against the ground which will destroy them with the slightest touch. Hopefully the undertrained chinese bio-bot who assembled yours use the right screws in the right places (my #39 swashplate screws were all too short and only holding in by about 2 threads which promptly pulled out) and hasnt put the tail rotor blades on backwards (like my #35 was).

Hopefully the cheap servo's wont chatter or strip the gears in your first crash and need to be replaced, or have so much back-and-forth slop in them that staying inside a 10-foot-box is vaguely possible with skill

Hopefully you will find enough helpful people on the forum that you can understand the mysterious dip switches and the PLT/PZT knobs on the undocumented transmitter, and find a cable to connect it to your PC so you can practise your crashing in pixel-land (simulators).

If you make it past all of that, then you should get just enough time spent with the thing hovering around drunkenly to decide if you want to get real about this hobby and buy some quality gear, or whether you have a muck around with it every now and then, crash it and put it back on the mantlepiece not having spent too many $ for your dipping the toe in the water and getting bitten experience..

If you're fairly certain you want to play helicopters, I'd save your pennies and go with a T-Rex straight out. Get a good battery, a good charger, good radio, and a good gyro and a quality machine. however, you're probably looking at close to $1000 (Aus) for that rig, but you will get a lot more satisfaction out of it.

If you want to test the waters and the budget is low, try a Walkera #36, you get everything you need for <$300 Aus. Cheap Chinese plastic looks a lot better splatted on the ground than expensive plastic does. Even although the cheap chopper will make learning harder.

Just remember leave it stock and dont try and make it into something better, its not worth it. If you want to upgrade, sell it complete to someone else and start with a better chopper. Trying to polish a turd is an exercise in frustration.. [:D]




AIR WOLF 1 -> RE: Walkera Dragonfly #36 (8/24/2005 5:54:28 AM)

thanx alot chief,you just made my mind up! i now know what i have to do.....thanx again.




hyperluminal -> RE: Walkera Dragonfly #36 (8/24/2005 5:55:34 AM)

A mind of its own. So, I just spent hours reading this entire thread and following all the good advise. After doing all the recommended checks and set ups, I plugged in the Li-po battery to check the fit. All of a sudden the thing took off all on its own. I did not have the Tx turned on, nor were there any other elctrical devices (not even a cell phone) nearby. Now I have one wonderfully smashed 36 and a broken lamp. Does anyone have any idea what could have caused such a thing? I am going to contact the distributor and let them know that this huld not happen to a new device.




jascamera -> RE: Walkera Dragonfly #36 (8/24/2005 6:05:57 AM)

Hey, Guys

I just got my Walkera 36 today. I am so excited. This thing actully fly very good. But it does need a lot of adjustments and patience. My 2200 batties last me about 20 mins, but the 600 batterie probably around 5 min. I find made a motor heat sink out of a coke can for the motor and move the motor just a bit out so they're not too tight. After about 20 minute of flight, it's not too hot to my surprise. And I believe it have a lot to do with the heat sink. Try it might help.

jason




art103 -> RE: Walkera Dragonfly #36 (8/24/2005 8:47:10 AM)

If you didn't have your TX turned on, then this is your mistake.
Just about every other place I read states:
"Make sure you turn on the TX BEFORE connecting the battery!"




sparkling_fist -> RE: Walkera Dragonfly #36 (8/24/2005 1:07:07 PM)

oh yeah u either need ur tx off or put it 3d switch up and throttle all the way down..
and also jascamera can you send pics of ur "heat sink"
thanks




jyc -> RE: Walkera Dragonfly #36 (8/24/2005 1:47:12 PM)

Ebay is listing an ARK X-400 kit for about $95 and $17 shipping. For those out there who are fortunate enough to not have a radio glitch, lipo works well, and purchased a brushless set, I would recommend switching the system over and install them on the x-400. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5994345995&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT

It may be cheaper to just replace the heli than trying to upgrade your current setup.




jascamera -> RE: Walkera Dragonfly #36 (8/24/2005 3:11:41 PM)

Well, I notice and was said in the manuel that the the gryo is always trying to correct. Couple of times that I pick the heli it's making a radio litch noise, but actually the gyro is doing adjustments, telling the servo to move left or rigth.




jascamera -> RE: Walkera Dragonfly #36 (8/24/2005 3:17:11 PM)

Not good to not have the radio on first because it can also affected by interference from anything, computer, cell phone from yuo neighbors and etc. Even my friend's TRe with a Hitec ecliptical control does that. Almost chop my hand off one time.




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