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Antoinette - 10/19/2002 11:08:56 AM   
Uncle Heinkel


 

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Status: offline 		Has anyone ever seen plans for the Antoinette, preferably large in scale?

If you've seen "Those Magnificent Men in their Flying Machines" you'll know what I'm talking about....
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Demoiselle - 10/19/2002 5:25:49 PM   
tom czenthe



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Status: offline 		I don't recall who.....but I saw 1/4 scale in a British magazine.... Pix of my Demoiselle (same movie)

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Antoinette - 10/24/2002 1:44:06 AM   
dennis



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Status: offline 		Believe that you can get a set from Bill Norththrop who has all the old Model Builder plans.

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It's the FIRST time HERE that I'm advising someone to c... - 10/27/2002 11:58:30 PM   
The PIPE



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Status: offline 		Dear Onkel Heinkel (Onkel IS the german for "uncle"...):

The PIPE Here again-and look-ee what I found for you at http://www.ww1aeroplanesinc.org/docs/materials%20list.htm ...

Antoinette
*LES AEROPLANES ANTOINETTE. 40pp. $6 fr WW1 AERO.

Antoinette Type VII
*translation of Rozendaal description. $7 WW1 AERO
*dwgs, photos. $6 (in WW1 AERO #45)
*8-1/2 plates 16x2O" of Gabriel dwgs. $45/set fr WW1 AERO.

And the person to contact about ALL of the mentioned scale reference material is:

Leo Opdycke
15 Crescent Road
Poughkeepsie, NY 12601

You can get his phone number from the main page for the first link I mentioned here-that's at http://www.ww1aeroplanesinc.org/ -and here's hoping you get in touch with Leo and get some materials to start doing your OWN Antoinette drawings!

ONE tip I can give you, though...the Type IV of this aircraft used trailing edge AILERONS to bank into turns with, while the Type VII used wing warping!

Hope this helped!

Yours Sincerely,

The PIPE!

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Antoinette - 10/28/2002 1:25:23 AM   
Uncle Heinkel


 

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Status: offline 		Thanks Tom and Dennis for the info and special thanks to you, Pipe....that was above and beyond!

I've loved that airplane ever since I saw it landing in the opening scene of "Magnificent Men.....".

H.

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Antionette - 11/3/2002 3:05:52 AM   
Charles, AC6WU


 

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Status: offline 		What size is large scale?? I have plans for a forty size (72" w.s) and plans for a speed 400 electric size (54" w.s.) and I have a completed electric powered model of the type VII (84" w.s., weight 16 lbs.). I have been working on my model for almost two years now so you can prepare yourself for a builders delight. She'a a beauty. I have scale documentation from around the world including a Mr. Latham in England. Claims to be a distant relative of Hubert Latham the original pilot back in 1909. Whe you begin construction, let me know if I can be of any help.

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Antoinette - 11/3/2002 11:33:35 AM   
Uncle Heinkel


 

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Status: offline 		Thanks, Charles.....

I was looking for something larger than the backyard models that we see so much of now.

Something in the range of 90" or so and glow powered is what I'm looking for.

I also love building so I'm definitely looking forward to this project.

Thanks for your kind offer....I will contact you when I begin construction. Won't be for a while yet, I'm still working on a Junkers Ju-52.

Another project in the works is a Voisin pusher. I got the plans from "Flying Models" a few years ago..

H.

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Antoinette - 11/25/2002 7:07:14 AM   
DAN MOFFETT


 

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$45 DAN MOFFETT
96 in ws G-23

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Antoinette - 8/22/2003 6:41:07 AM   
Da Vinci


 

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Status: offline 		Hello "Uncle Heinkel"

I am presently building an 80 inch wing span model of an Antoinette. I am working from scaled-up plans of the 1909 model drawn by W.C. Hannan. The original was a rubber power model.

I also have information on two other models which appeared in modeling magazines. On was published in July 1989 in Model Aviation and another was published in Sept 1970 in American Aircraft Modeler. The Model Aviation model was a control line model for a .25 size engine. I don't know the wing span. The second from American Aircraft Modeler was an eight foot wing spam with a .35 Fox.

I also found a listing for a 1/48 scale plans from a place called "Scale Plans and Photo Service" their address is 3
209 Madison Ave, Greensboro, North Carolina 27403, phone number 910-292-5239 (this is old information and may be out of date).

Good luck with these leads and have fun building the model.

By the way I've been at mine for eight years now and it's still not ready to fly.

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Antoinette - 8/22/2003 8:14:13 AM   
Uncle Heinkel


 

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Status: offline 		Thanks, Da Vinci!
I'm still not ready to start one yet but an Antoinette is in my future.....I want to do the Voisin, Balsa USA SE-5, and maybe an Orion P3 if I can find some plans.

80-90" is about the right size. I've thought about scaling up the Sig Antoinette park flyer.....

I'll check up on your leads.

Eight years? I thought I was slow! :^{p I'm just now finishing my Junkers Ju-52 that I've been working on for 3 years. 120" wingspan, 30lb, 3 Saito 91's, corrugation..... Door will open in flight and paratroopers will be booted out!

Thanks for the tips!

H.

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RE: Antoinette - 6/13/2006 2:57:46 AM   
Bengt Freden


 

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Status: offline 		Hi Uncle Heinkel,

This is my first post here - it´s nice to be here!
I immediately started looking in this forum for something on the Levavasseur "Antoinette" VII.

I would also like to build a large model of this graceful bird. I have got the plan from Bill Hannan at "Hannan´s Runway" - found in the book "Models & Methods" - it´s quite detailed but, as mentioned above, it has to be enlarged considerably to make an R/C model.
A very good friend in Oregon also mailed me a very nice 3-way drawing made by Herb Kelley, which he found in a copy of the American Aviation Historical Society´s third year annual. If you mail me a note, I can mail you this drawing as an attachment rightaway.

And, to wet your appetite even further, have you seen this amazing 1/5th scale ARF Antoinette VII?
It was/is? produced by the late Swedish designer/builder/RC flying champion mr Göran Kalderén, in a company based in the Philippines, near
Manilla:
http://www.kwmairpl.com.ph/KWPlanesDatasheets.asp?DatasheetCodeQ=RC-20FR
-it was in prototype stage in 2001, when Gordon Ward from the "Model Flyer" magazine visited his factory (see photos on the two main pages, under "Publicity", page 1 and 2.)
NB 1: There is a fine downloadable PDF Manual for this incredibly large model, which might be a good detailing aid.
NB 2: On the first picture of the page above, the model is equipped with an RCV 120 20cc valve-less, revolving cylinder, 2:1 geared four stroke engine, which blends in perfectly in the slender wooden fuselage, under the "original" dummy Antoinette V8 engine.
Btw, I just bought myself one of these fine methanol engines the other day, which I will put to good use in a 1/4th scale ARF Fokker Dr. I, swinging a large 20/10" wooden prop.

with the very best regards
from the brand new forum member

Bengt Fredén
photographer & scale model builder
in the greater Stockholm area, Sweden

mail: bengt@freden.se

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RE: Antoinette - 6/13/2006 10:57:53 PM   
Joe Nagy


 

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Status: offline 		Hi Unka H;

Greetings from Thong Beach, Florida....Oh Wow! just survived another Tropical Storm/Hurricane with no damage at all.

American Modeler Magazine published a superb construction article on the Antoinette a way back in the early to mid 70s, 60 powered and probably around a 100" wing span. A fellow club member, Tony Pritchard, in London, Ontario, Canada, built one, a simply beautiful, majestic flier. I have the magazine, + sent for the plans, [3 great big sheets I believe], but they are in Arizona rite now, and I won't be back there until fall, but can copy them for you later if you want. This is about the biggest version of the A. that I know of, however, any plan you get hold of can be enlarged to what ever size you need or want, with our newer copy machines.

Possibly someone else out there in the 'great id of the net' can check their archives and find the exact date of the above AM mag article.

I will close for now, hoping the above is of assistance to you, best regards from finally rained on FLorida,

Joe Nagy. email: joshrl@hotmail.com

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RE: Antoinette - 6/14/2006 5:35:46 AM   
50+AirYears


 

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Status: offline 		The American Modeler article I remember was about an 84" span and was powered by a Fox .36 rc, the one that had the integral muffler. There was so much wing area that the designer (Al Signorino??) claimed that the plane needed no more than 1/2 throttle for take-off. I believe I have a copy of at least the plan portion of the article buried in a box in my crawl space of an attic. Wing was built in one piece with a flat ply joiner

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RE: Antoinette - 6/14/2006 1:29:12 PM   
Bengt Freden


 

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Status: offline 		Hi 50+AirYears!

Please crawl into the attic!
I would be very interested indeed, if you could scan or copy the plans that you have.
I´m planning to build an Antoinette VII model for flight with a small brushless motor and Li-Po cells, using a scale Antoinette prop.

Btw, here´s another fine model of the Antoinette - from SIG in Germany (nr SIGRC91, 1909 Antoinette) - exquisitly built and detailed by Mr Scott Christensen, who won an indoor flying competition with this particular model.
Just take a look at the beautiful Antoinette V8 engine and the spoked wheels! There is also a fine model of the larger Antoinette V16 engine in the box behind the nose of the model:


best regards from new the member
Bengt Fredén,
Stockholm, Sweden
bengt@freden.se

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