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RE: Not modelling but...... "To Kill an American&... - 8/17/2005 7:08:11 PM   
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Just a personal opinion but, once you start the flag waving (any country) an labels like Canadian or American the dvisions begin to appear. We're all people who happen to live on one or another side of some imaginary boundary.


Personally, I'd love to see more Canadian flag-waving, but in todays current politically correct climate, it's becoming some kind of an insult to wave Canada's flag and be proud of our "Past" (that does not include Canada's recent Past)

I believe our "open-arms, bring your culture" attitude, without declaring a strict Canadian foundation has put us on a road to destruction. Without forcing new Canadians to say they are "Canadians First" has only meant an import of all the predudice, hate and baggage that drove them to leave their native countries in the first place. We encourage new Canadians to keep their native language and customs, leaving them isolated in concentrations where the only seemingly difference from their native land, is that they are now cold 6 months of the year. Then we provide the tax dollars to help keep their "culture" instead of embracing Canada as their 1st love and a clear understanding where their primary loyalty should lie?

If things were bad enough, or so much better here, that people would leave their homeland, then dammit, they should be swearing primary loyalty to the country they choose to move to, embrace their new and chosen values and practice their past "culture" on their own time and on their own dime if they so wish. We seem to be creating a vast and divided tribal culture, which history has proven doesn't seem to work too well. I love Canada and will naturally say it is the best country in the world to live in............as should the US folks say the same thing, but a growing number of "Canadians" who now reside here don't say that................. convenient, yes........ best, no.

IMO

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RE: Not modelling but...... "To Kill an American&... - 8/17/2005 7:47:31 PM   
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What is Canada's culture?

Many have tried to define it (most recently beer commercials ).

Those who can trace several generations as Canadians tend to think their own culture is Canadian.
For example, I'm a multi-generation Canadian with Scottish, Irish and French lineages, I have a neighbour with a comparable number of generations in Canada; mostly German lineage, yet other neighbour is similar but has mostly Dutch lineage. I could walk down the street in my small neigbourhood and find many other cultures, with many generations as Canadians, in most cases they can point to pictures in photo albums of relatives in canadian military uniforms (myself included).... Which culture are you inferring we should instill in new immigrants?

The simple fact that continues to be missed is that it has never been one culture, it is, by definition multicultural.

If you wish to enforce a culture for these new and prospective people, my vote goes for immediate mandatory participation in Highland games.

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RE: Not modelling but...... "To Kill an American&... - 8/17/2005 8:52:40 PM   
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.............must conceed the point on defined Canadian culture. I also come from a mixed background of Ukie, dutch, polish etc. Maybe it's nice to know stuff, but I am "Canadian" (although I don't drink it) when someone asks where I am from. I'm not a Ukie Canadian or a Polish Canadian etc. I feel the basic defining characteristics of Canada are primarily, the promotion and defence of Freedom and the ability to survive, adapt and prosper in a vast and rugged land despite a harsh and varied climate.

I think it's wrong for Canada to encourage new Canadians to maintain embrace and maintain their previous countries culture and traditions. Most have come here to escape from many of those same traditions and I don't see any good coming from complete regions where a certain cultural groop is segregated from the mainstream. Your neighbourhood has a great "mix"? That's the way it should be, but it would appear that is becoming the exception as opposed to the rule.

You cannot enforce culture, but you should at least be expected to take on one of our 2 official languages and put Canada's laws and interests ahead of the country you came from.......................or, what the heck are you doing here?

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RE: Not modelling but...... "To Kill an American&... - 8/17/2005 9:05:23 PM   
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I think enforcing a foreign culture is what many may be running from....

Official languages? Hmmnnn... to my perspective, one of those languages is definitely not spoken by anything near a majority and many practitioners are publicly announcing that they would like separate. Maybe it's a smal minority of the aforementioned group but they are sure vocal ... they definitely cost this countrie's taxpayers a lot of money.

My community culturally mixed? No.
My small community is mostly multi-generation Canadians who identify themselves that way. Not many of the so-called visible minorities that appear, at least to me, to be the vast majority in the big city I live near (Toronto). I do admit to moving to my community because I'm more comfortable in this small isolated community of cultures (and values) that I have more in common with. I definitely felt I was a minority when I lived in many of the communities in Toronto.

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RE: Not modelling but...... "To Kill an American&... - 8/17/2005 10:03:26 PM   
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I was born overseas as a Canadian citizen. My parents were both Canadians, but my mother had never actually set foot in Canada at the time of my birth (she was also born overseas). Both my mother & I hold dual citizenships & we each have two different passports (although in her mid/late-eighties she doesn't flit around the globe much anymore. Despite technically being "immigrants" by some definitions, we were already Canadians when we finally set foot here. While I don't carry much birth-land baggage with me, my mother certainly does, yet she is wholeheartedly Canadian.

Ethnically we are an amazing mix. My father's family are an amalgam of German & Irish -- with the German family being divided into three branches, distributed in Austria, Czechoslovakia and Bavaria. The Irish were originally Clan Orr in Scotland, but the particular family was deported to Ireland in the 1600's for changing sides too frequently in the Scottish-English border wars.

My mother is English/Welsh, with her father's family also being English/Welsh.

Politically, we are divided. My father's mother was an Irish terrorist, with a price on her head. She and her sister fled to Canada, where they were sheltered by the Catholic Church & introduced to nice Austro-German immigrant Catholic boys.

My mother's father was in the British army, & following being gassed in Franch during WWI, he was repatriated to England to help hunt Irish terrorists.

My father & his brothers were in the Canadian army during WWII & my father was seriously wounded. During that time my grandfather's non-Germanic neighbours tried to have my grandfather interned as an enemy alien, & have their debts to him cancelled.

I joined the RCAF in 1960 & flew air-defence missions.

Despite that wild background, I am a Canadian to the core. I suspect that there are tens of thousands of other Canadian families with similarly tangled histories, who are every bit as Canadian as I am.

The question "What is a Canadian?" is impossible to answer. It is in your heart, or you just aren't there as a real citizen, regardless of where you were born. There are a$$holes born in Toronto, Montreal, Hallfax, Winnipeg, Vancouver etc, etc, who despite their birthright, simply aren't real Canadians. There are others who were born in Mongolia who are Canadians in their hearts.

Real Canadians want to be just that. The others are $hit, despite being born in Canada, or elsewhere.

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RE: Not modelling but...... "To Kill an American&... - 8/17/2005 11:26:09 PM   
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Official languages? Hmmnnn... to my perspective, one of those languages is definitely not spoken by anything near a majority and many practitioners are publicly announcing that they would like separate. Maybe it's a smal minority of the aforementioned group but they are sure vocal ... they definitely cost this countrie's taxpayers a lot of money.



LOL.............I struggled with posting the 2 official languages segment..........my weak attempt to be somewhat politically correct and avoiding a different discussion.

Heck of a story Britbrat and a good ending.

Growing up, I enjoyed the notion that Canadians were respected as a tollerant, kind, but a very tough people who you wanted on your side when push came to shove. Lately, our reputation seems to be that of a judgemental, snobbish bunch who are more whiny than tough, afraid to take a stand.

I don't like it.


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RE: Not modelling but...... "To Kill an American&... - 8/18/2005 1:49:26 PM   
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Lately, our reputation seems to be that of a judgemental, snobbish bunch who are more whiny than tough, afraid to take a stand.


Such is the lot of being judged by your political representatives.
I blame this on our flawed election system that fails to differentiate between local representation (for affairs close to home) and national representation (affairs of the nation and world).

britbrat, interesting story ... and interesting life you have lived. I'm sure we all have interesting stories in our past, my mom is currently chasing down the history of some artifacts that have been passed down for generations, one in particular is a musket rifle and bayonet that appear to date to around the war of 1812.

Yes I am Canadian ... but first I (and all others) am a member of God's (or whatever your particular term of reference for this concept may be) good creation first.

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RE: Not modelling but...... "To Kill an American&... - 8/18/2005 3:02:10 PM   
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Amen

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RE: Not modelling but...... "To Kill an American... - 8/20/2005 11:05:21 AM   
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What about the native indians that were here long before any white man decided to come and claim this land? Beit north or south of the border.

I think being Canadian means being proud of Canada. It means you put it first in your heart. Maybe your homeland will always hold a special place in your heart, but if you have come to this country by choice then it should be first in your heart. There are Canadian traditions that I don't think should be altered or changed to suit someone that comes here from a different country. I think Canada could do with a LARGE boost in flag waiving. If we could just steal some of the patriotic attitude the Americans have for their country Canada would be a little better off.

I would also like to throw my support to the US. Since 911 I have been proudly wearing a hat the says "United We Stand" on the front with both the Canadian flag and American flag. I don't always agree with what the US is doing around the world but I do support them. For someone to offer a reward for killing a specific citizen from a certain country shows just how barbaric the people the US and most other civilized countries are facing. I sometimes get a litlle swamped by the American attitude that they are the best at everything, but again that is just a small percentage of the US population that think like that, I hope...lol.

On a lighter note, do you guys thinks you could do us Canadians a favor and learn how to drive?....lol.

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RE: Not modelling but...... "To Kill an American... - 8/21/2005 1:06:49 AM   
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I know how to drive just fine, but the goons down here in Memphis dont

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RE: Not modelling but...... "To Kill an American... - 8/23/2005 3:20:02 PM   
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On a lighter note, do you guys thinks you could do us Canadians a favor and learn how to drive?....lol.



How often do you drive in Montreal?

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RE: Not modelling but...... "To Kill an American... - 8/24/2005 5:40:29 AM   
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worst drivers (this is an actual statistic) are in Memphis, TN. I commute through memphis from home (in northern miss, just 5 miles south of memphis) to work (about 10 miles east)

today, I was TWO HOURS LATE to work...

because some IDIOT drove a truck that was too tall under an overpass

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