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RE: FOX 50 runs HOT - 8/19/2005 2:41:28 AM   
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The Fox .50 is the lightest of all .50 sized engines even lighter than the Webra .50.

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RE: FOX 50 runs HOT - 8/19/2005 4:48:03 AM   
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I'm sorry I commented. I've run dozens of Fox engines in the 70s only because they had the lowest sticker price in it's day. They were mostly dogs. I never ran a .50, didn't want to. I had enough. They are heavy, ugly, convoluted to tune, and why have unpleasant experiences in the hobby more than necessary? I switched. Thanks. The Castor content is a proven practice among competent fuel mixers of vintage engines abroad, not favorable to the keyboard experts that never tried? Thanks for your edit, but 28% works.

Finally, a .35 C/L or a .50, or any other displacement, WILL have heat problems with Cool Power in a vintage application, if it doesn't just sieze up first. Heat in a two stroke could be other things, but from cyber space, the comment on fuel used stood out to many as a problem, and it is. Correcting that first allows one problem to be resolved so further test and troubleshooting can be done. At least it's not stalling.

I've owned and have run hundreds of engines. Most I've kept over 30 years, and I eliminated every Fox I've ever bought, with a smile. Today people will spent $60 on a OS LA .40 engine, with cheap features as a bushing crank, plastic remote needle valve, and fly something even slower than a Fox. So from that perspective, yes, the Fox has power. But some of us fly SX .50s, Super Tigre .51s, and even Magnum .52 engines and never come second to a Fox .50. In fact, they are a lap ahead. Aside from smaller displacements, Fox hasn't even been in Towers stock, because it's crapola.


You are wrong about the 28% oil, most of my iron piston engines run fine on 20% oil and will tolerate a 50/50 mix of castor and synthetic. The C/L stunters are running the OS LA control line engines on 25% oil because the extra oil helps give it a good 2-4-2 break. My Enya and .15 Fox do not need such high percentage of oil. The Fox stunt was made for that high oil percentage to the point of not having enough cooling fins for lower percentages. That was such a good engine for its application that OS cloned it and it is still a favorate with C/L people today, though mostly with ABC cylinders and hemi heads hop ups.

You are wrong about the 28% oil, most of my iron piston engines run fine on 20% oil and will tolerate a 50/50 mix of castor and synthetic. The C/L stunters are running the OS LA control line engines on 25% oil because the extra oil helps give it a good 2-4-2 break. My Enya and .15 Fox do not need such high percentage of oil. The Fox stunt was made for that high oil percentage to the point of not having enough cooling fins for lower percentages. That was such a good engine for its application that OS cloned it and it is still a favorite with C/L people today, though mostly with ABC cylinders and hemi heads hop ups.

You have never run a Fox in your life! Or else you would know they are always light, some are slow, but most are powerful for their size. If you had actually hit on their faults I would believe you, instead you insulted their very virtues, and missed their faults entirely.


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RE: FOX 50 runs HOT - 8/19/2005 4:53:25 AM   
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Hobbsy,
What fuel do you run on your Fox .50? I notice on the flightline solutions page that they claim the .50 should be run on low nitro. But I did not know that and am sure I ran it on at least 10% probably 15% Omega on the bench, ran fine. I need to know because I will be putting it in the air soon, probably in a few weeks.

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RE: FOX 50 runs HOT - 8/19/2005 12:41:25 PM   
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Hugh, I run Fox 5% nitro fuel with 20% 50/50 lube, I use it in all my two strokes regardless of the brand and it works great. My current two stroke stable contains engines from a Fox .15 to a Super Tigre 4500. All are US, European, or Japanese about 85 in all and about 40 fourstrokes.

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RE: FOX 50 runs HOT - 8/19/2005 1:18:20 PM   
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My wife would kill me if I bought that many engines.

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RE: FOX 50 runs HOT - 8/19/2005 1:45:23 PM   
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I run omega 5% on my fox 50 as well. Tried running 15% and because of the head button issue, it would backfire and throw the prop off. Much smoother with lower nitro.

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RE: FOX 50 runs HOT - 8/19/2005 4:29:18 PM   
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My wife would kill me if I bought that many engines.



Hehehe, in fact that is how I got rid of two of them, wives that is.

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RE: FOX 50 runs HOT - 8/19/2005 8:12:20 PM   
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quote:

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My wife would kill me if I bought that many engines.



Hehehe, in fact that is how I got rid of two of them, wives that is.



I only had to get rid of one

Then I bought a continious 4 stroke (suck squeeze burn and blow) RAM750

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RE: FOX 50 runs HOT - 11/12/2005 11:25:55 AM   
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Fox never in Towers Stock?
How come then, I bought 3 Fox's from Tower? A .46 ABC and 2 x.40's. Run'em on 5% Nitro and a 25/75 Castor/Synthetic mix.
Once they are set up right, and that takes a little time, they run just fine. And nothing more than 5% Nitro in the fuel is the key.
But if you are not prepared to take the time with them, then yes, go buy something else.

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RE: FOX 50 runs HOT - 11/12/2005 12:14:51 PM   
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A moderator wrote me once "I wouldn't trade a OS engine for a wheel barrel of Fox engines." What makes this hobby interesting is the lengths some go through to make something work.

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RE: FOX 50 runs HOT - 11/12/2005 12:19:04 PM   
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http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXG888&P=Z

This is the very last old stock item on Towers site, a .35 stunt engine for C/L use. I guess they'll finally sell the last one sometime in the next five years at $59.99.

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RE: FOX 50 runs HOT - 11/12/2005 12:42:22 PM   
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K, I just bought a NIB .74 from RCU MarketPlace and can't wait to get it. It will take about 10 minutes to set up and about 1 hour to break in well enough to fly. This is my 4th .74.

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RE: FOX 50 runs HOT - 11/12/2005 2:11:20 PM   
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4th one, they wear out faster than I previously thought...

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RE: FOX 50 runs HOT - 11/12/2005 2:42:24 PM   
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Not true, my oldest is 15 years old and still going strong, it has been a Diesel for about 7 years. You're grasping at straws to bash a perfectly good product.

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RE: FOX 50 runs HOT - 11/12/2005 2:53:24 PM   
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Have ever used another engine? The majority do not agree with you. Fox made the ugliest engine in the world, heavy, and every Fox I owned was a pain to start. They after all are made in the USA. They go for next to nothing used, which shows the demand for them. OS FX stays within 80% of its purchase price even today. Did I mention they were dog slow too? Bashing a product that is in financial trouble for good reason, is just reality of a dying product that can't compete in todays market.

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RE: FOX 50 runs HOT - 11/12/2005 3:01:24 PM   
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But, for us guys that love them, just leave us alone and we'll gleefully and ignorantly enjoy th