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RE: Beginner's Corner - building of my new Goldberg S... - 9/5/2005 11:08:23 PM   
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I looked through that thread and I noticed he wrote . . . "Remember this windex method does not work on regular ultracote,,,I'm told it will work with Ultracote Plus,,but I have never tried it... Windex does work with most other covering ie 21st century, Econocote, towercote....."

Thankfully my only Ultracote is the checkerboard which I don't need to add graphics. Hopefully that method will work on Monokote and Econocote.

He also stated in the thread “.....Any soapy substance should work......I used to use soapy water, a mixture of tap water and dish washing detergent...I would have a large container of water, and poor liquid dish washing detergent in and stir it real slow, so as not to make any bubbles. I switched over to windex because of one, its in a nice spraybottle and 2 , I didnt have to have the large container anymore.”

Can’t wait to test this method out, I am hoping for the best!!!! THANK YOU OH SO VERY MUCH.

BUT I DO HAVE A STUPID QUESTION: Won't the amonia in the Windex discolor the paint in the covering???

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RE: Beginner's Corner - building of my new Goldberg ... - 9/5/2005 11:17:49 PM   
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Nope! I have used this method many times.

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RE: Beginner's Corner - building of my new Goldberg ... - 9/6/2005 12:37:18 AM   
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Been very busy again today hope I can start putting more serious efforts into building soon. Got the rest of the formers into the fuselage though and epoxied. Test-fitted the bottom sheeting in the back as suggested in the plans and as I figured the cut is not very accurate so gonna hafta do a bit of sanding to get it to fit smoothly. Good night for now.

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RE: Beginner's Corner - building of my new Goldberg ... - 9/6/2005 12:53:35 AM   
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Looks like you are moving right along.
I hope some of the advice I tossed out to you was helpful and will get you on the right track to building your skills.
I stumbled across a brand new in the box original Goldberg Sky Tiger yesterday. That kit may be my winter project.

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RE: Beginner's Corner - building of my new Goldberg ... - 9/6/2005 5:03:05 AM   
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Everyone's advice is more helpful than all you can even imagine . Thank you so much, please keep it coming. Unfortunately some of my questions were not answered so I will post'em again :

1) [from post #81] When I redo the ailerons I am going to indent about an inch from the tips of each instead of having the whole length an aileron, but I am also going to lengthen the ailerons about two inches each at the center of the wing. That will add about an inch to each aileron, that should not affect the flying of my Skylark should it?

2)[from post #94] Before I open the roll who thinks I should exchange the small checkerboards for the bigger checkerboard design??? - will it really be more desirable in the air?

3) [from post #94] I have a question regarding the method you described . . . "Good use for a woodpecker as mentioned earlier in the thread(other than covering ), is to use it on two pieces of wood that will be glued flush (face to face) to each other. The little holes increase the surface area for the glue to attach to. Makes a much stronger bond for things like . . . " MY QUESTION - - - Would that process work for attaching the fin to the stabilizer, and attaching the stabilizer to the fuselage??? Or does that only work for pieces that are face to face like you mentioned??

P.S: I am still looking for suggestions for a good, reasonably priced 4-channel radio for this plane, any suggestions?

ANOTHER EDIT (QUESTIONS) - 1] What do you do with the inside of engine compartment? Do you leave it bare wood with just fuel-proofing, do you use covering over the fuel-proofing, or paint the compartment with comparible paint? 2] How do you do the wing hold-down dowels? Do you cover them with film or just paint them? PLEASE HELP WITH THESE AND THE PREVIOUS QUESTIONS. Thank you.


CCRC1 - - - Could it be possible for me to see this Goldberg Sky Tiger you mentioned? Sounds like a great plane . Could it also be possible for you to post a thread on you building this model? That would be something I'd love to see .

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RE: Beginner's Corner - building of my new Goldberg ... - 9/6/2005 8:48:51 AM   
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Ending today's work> PHOTOS 1 & 2: Chin block epoxied on. PHOTOS 3 & 4: Ply spinnerplate epoxied in place.
PHOTOS 5 & 6: Epoxied the wing dowels in and filled gaps with vinyl spackle. Although it was not called for in the plans I wanted to reinforce the dowels with 1/4" square balsa, so that is why I installed them before the sheeting of the fuselage (and not after the covering as instructed.) Plus if I was to epoxy them in after covering the fuselage I KNOW I would have gotten epoxy all over the film.

EDIT: As you can see in the first few photos next to my engine - There is a washer that is supposed to go under the nut holding the propeller on. It is not on due to the fact that if I put it underneath the nut as it is supposed to be the two spinner parts do not meet flush with each other, they only go flush if I omit that washer. Is it necessary to have that washer in place so as not to break the spinner as the engine runs or will it be sufficient without the washer as shown? Please do not tell me I have to buy a new spinner, but I will if it is necessary.

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RE: Beginner's Corner - building of my new Goldberg ... - 9/6/2005 10:42:21 AM   
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Tigerdude,
I am on my way out the door going to work. If my little piece of the world isn't in complete chaos today, I will sit down and answer all your questions.

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RE: Beginner's Corner - building of my new Goldberg ... - 9/6/2005 2:23:16 PM   
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Tigerdude,
OK, let me chip away one at a time,
1st question, The aileron modification should not be a problem. Actually, not running the aileron all the way to the wingtip is a good thing. When the aileron extends all the way to the wingtips it tends to induce flutter. I generally stop the aileron about 2'' from the wingtip. I am not sure you need to extend them inward, but it shouldn't hurt anything.

2nd, If it was me, I would go for a larger check pattern. But, its really just a personal preference. The size you have now all blurs together for me at about 30 yards.

3) Don't waste you money on a woodpecker. Use epoxy for the joints you are asking about and make sure the parts fit well.

As for the firewall area, The devil is always in the details. Yes you could just fuel proof it with epoxy or resin. I always paint mine with Aerogloss dope or something similar. Dove gray, white or black, to me, usually look good in the engine compartment. But color choices are a personal preference.

About your radio, I am curious why you are looking at a 4 channel system. I usually advise folks to try to buy as much radio up front as you can afford. An extra $75 or so will get you into a mid level computer radio that you can use for multiple models. It will give you some very handy set up functions and you will just need to buy your on-board components for new airplanes. Try and stick with one brand. JR and Futaba are the Ford and Chevy of the RC world, both good quality, it just personal preference again. If you stick to one brand, all your stuff will work together (plugs) as you begin to collect components.

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RE: Beginner's Corner - building of my new Goldberg ... - 9/6/2005 2:49:06 PM   
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Look at post #60 here:
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_3260903/mpage_3/key_/tm.htm

Aero Gloss paint took several coats to achieve but well worth the result I feel.

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RE: Beginner's Corner - building of my new Goldberg ... - 9/6/2005 4:09:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tigerdude426

1) [from post #81] When I redo the ailerons I am going to indent about an inch from the tips of each instead of having the whole length an aileron, but I am also going to lengthen the ailerons about two inches each at the center of the wing. That will add about an inch to each aileron, that should not affect the flying of my Skylark should it?

2)[from post #94] Before I open the roll who thinks I should exchange the small checkerboards for the bigger checkerboard design??? - will it really be more desirable in the air?

3) [from post #94] I have a question regarding the method you described . . . "Good use for a woodpecker as mentioned earlier in the thread(other than covering ), is to use it on two pieces of wood that will be glued flush (face to face) to each other. The little holes increase the surface area for the glue to attach to. Makes a much stronger bond for things like . . . " MY QUESTION - - - Would that process work for attaching the fin to the stabilizer, and attaching the stabilizer to the fuselage??? Or does that only work for pieces that are face to face like you mentioned??

P.S: I am still looking for suggestions for a good, reasonably priced 4-channel radio for this plane, any suggestions?

ANOTHER EDIT (QUESTIONS) - 1] What do you do with the inside of engine compartment? Do you leave it bare wood with just fuel-proofing, do you use covering over the fuel-proofing, or paint the compartment with comparible paint? 2] How do you do the wing hold-down dowels? Do you cover them with film or just paint them? PLEASE HELP WITH THESE AND THE PREVIOUS QUESTIONS. Thank you.



Here's my (opinions only) in response to your questions...
1) Yes, it will affect it, but you may or may not notice it. In general, with more control surface area towards the center of the wing, your plane will be more reponsive to roll at LOW speed. Having less aileron at the tips may in fact tame the roll rate at higher speeds, but again, probably not enough to notice.
2) CCRC was right on with his advice - "use what YOU can see easily". If little checkers work for you at a distance, use 'em. My general "guidelines" are suggestions only based on my experience as to what has worked, and what has not worked for me and what others have said over about 15 years of "experimenting". I find that larger shapes are much easier to pick out at a distance, even with 20/20 vision(I still have young eyes).
3) Woodpecker... It might, but it's just one of those "extra" little tricks that sometimes helps, sometimes not. Not worth spending the money on the tool just for that one task. More important is to ensure you have a good solid glue joint in that area. I bought one a few years ago with the intention of using it for covering, but really don't use it all that much, and keep thinking up other uses for it so I don't feel that money was wasted. (BTW, It makes a REALLY good back-scratcher )

As far as the inside of the fuel tank/engine compt, it depends on the plane. Normally, I just use thinned epoxy to fuelproof, mainly due to lazyness. If it's scale or something where details matter, then I paint as appropriate. Usually covering over fuel-proofing isn't needed, and won't stick very well without much effort anyway. Better to just paint if you want it to look nice.
I don't paint or cover the wing dowels, they get a very thin layer of epoxy to keep the fuel out, and they get touched up about once a season or so. You can paint them, but they won't be visible, and the paint will wear off after some flights, no matter how secure the wing is. I don't recommend trying to cover them - too much of a PITA. Some people just leave them bare, but that's taking a chance in the long run, especially if the leading edge of the wing is anywhere close to the exhaust.

Radio - Spend the money on a 6 channel(or more) computer radio!!! If you have any plans to stick with it, you(and your planes) will "grow" into it, and they have great features that help even from the get-go. You can buy one for not much more than a four channel, and the benifits(and convienience) vastly outweigh the cost. Most have multiple model setup memories, so as you aquire more planes, you can continue to use the same radio without having to buy a new transmitter everytime(you'll still need servos, receiver, etc).
I like the Futaba 6x and 7c series personally... but that's a whole other can of worms. All of them work as designed. A good way to choose is to look at what others in your area are using, and get one that's at least similar(same brand). That way, you have others that can help you with the setup(if needed), and buddy-boxing is a lot easier(if needed).

Hope some of this helps, but in the end it's your choice on all of this stuff.


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RE: Beginner's Corner - building of my new Goldberg ... - 9/6/2005 5:06:09 PM   
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OK, you all made sense:

How bout if I extend the ailerons 1 inch or so from the tips to control flutter as stated by CCRC1
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. . . not running the aileron all the way to the wingtip is a good thing. When the aileron extends all the way to the wingtips it tends to induce flutter. I generally stop the aileron about 2'' from the wingtip. . .
but leave the center section where it is and not extend them? (quoted by cwrr5)
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. . . In general, with more control surface area towards the center of the wing, your plane will be more reponsive to roll at LOW speed. Having less aileron at the tips may in fact tame the roll rate at higher speeds . . .


And how bout first painting the dowels to match the airplane scheme and then light epoxy over the paint to prevent it from fading and peeling?

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RE: Beginner's Corner - building of my new Goldberg ... - 9/6/2005 5:33:55 PM   
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I'm not sure how well the epoxy will adhere to the paint. They will be virtually invisible once the rubber bands are on anyway. What do you guys think about using something like Sharpies or Magic Markers or even dye to get the colors close and then epoxy. Would be sort of like stain with varnish?

On the other items I can agree OK.

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RE: Beginner's Corner - building of my new Goldberg ... - 9/6/2005 5:53:36 PM   
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