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Adrenalin2m -> RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! (7/22/2008 9:32:29 PM)

Sounds good I'll leave the 16x6 on it, fire it up, let it warm up and run a tank through it and tach it for peak RPM then turn it back 200 to 300 RPM and not worry about the amount of turns on the needle.

Thanks guys.




TomTreese -> RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! (7/22/2008 9:34:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: balsaeater


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ORIGINAL: TomTreese

I that doesn't work I'm getting a couple of these mufflers. Costs less than replacine a cylinder head and it looks and sounds better.

http://www.rcuniverse.com/market/item.cfm?itemId=411691#

I'm also going to put a Bru Line filter on the 150 and 180. Improves fuel efficiency by up to 30%.



I looked up the Bru line Filter at tower search option
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/WTI0095P?FVSEARCH=Bru+Line+filter&FVPCODE=RF&search3=Go
and other links

Apart from the problem to fit to the Saito trumpet air intake I fail to see where 30% fuel reduction can be made

The muffler link infers some fuel saving ???

maybe I missed something ??

Balasaeater


It depends how the engine is mounted. If it's mounted right side up or any way but upside down the fuel splashes out of the carbeurator all over the motor, motor mount and firewall.( sound familiar). The Bru Line filter keeps the fuel in the stack and therefore it gets burned.

With the filter on a Saito 100 on a MOJO ,mounted at 90*, the fuel burned dropped dramatically.

Just type "Bru Line in" the search line at the bottom and see hown many hits you get on this thread.





Michaelh -> RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! (7/23/2008 2:24:50 AM)

In all reality if you just tuned your engine up you shouldnt even know how many turns out it is [:D] Every setup is different .
I have to tune my one plane in at half tank and force it to idle at startup till it starts to lean out then only run it down 5/8ths. The beauty of a regulator is I will not have to worry about this anymore.




Shubova -> RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! (7/23/2008 6:47:13 AM)

Hi,
I just ordered a Cline fuel system. I spoke with Cline himself. He said that most engines will run leaner then normal with the system (regulator) until you richen it up. He also told me not to mount the fuel system to the firewall or any were else but let it hang close to the carb intake.
My best suggestion, before making any assumptions about what it will do or not do, is you call and talk to Cline, he is very knowledgeable. He is also very is easy to talk to and he said he welcomes any questions about his products.
Happy Flying!
Shubova
[8D]




bawls -> RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! (7/23/2008 8:53:26 PM)

The Saito 125 Pushrods and Sleeves are in! The Saito 125 Pushrods and Sleeves are in!

Yippee!




Michaelh -> RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! (7/24/2008 2:14:52 AM)

Or if you already have used them you already know what they will do [;)] No further then an inch from the carb ,I use this rule on the Iron Bay also even though the instructions say other wise.
The engine will run at the set rate through the whole tank no matter if its full or empty. Otherwise I have to keep the idle up at start up due to setting the needles at a half tank.It clears up quick but still anoying.Always readjust your needles after any changes like this to the fuel supply system.

This also reminds me. Does anyone know where I can get the needle valve for the Iron bay? The Diaphram seem good but the valve stem is leaking by.


Mike




rexracer -> RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! (7/24/2008 3:42:37 PM)

I'm a big fan of the Cline regulator, too. I've seen my 1.80 idle in the 1200's and watched it idle for over a minute at 1350 rpms with the Cline. It idles smooth at 1600. and at 1800 on the test stand I can slap the throttle to wide open, and it transitions without a hiccup. I fly around 1900-2000.




Mikecam -> RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! (7/25/2008 9:13:11 PM)

Glad to hear that bawls. [8D]




blw -> RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! (7/25/2008 10:19:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Hobbsy

In my opinion the the 15x6 belongs on the Saito 1.00.


Haven't tried a 16" prop yet on mine, but the APC 15x6 is pretty good. I need to pull off the velocity stack the next time I take off the cowl. Maybe a 15.5" Bolly would do better?

By the way, I have a tape on John Force's career, and he talks about Don Garlits back in his days of drag racing. He said that Don was so competitive that he would drive across the U.S. during the summer for the next race with the heat on full, and his windows rolled up just so he would be hot and mad when he arrived at the track. That was how me motivated himself!




wingstrut -> RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! (7/27/2008 2:09:47 AM)

I did not see an FA62A Saito mentioned, I planned on purchasing one, should I look for a different size.
Is there a problem with this engine?
Help will be appreciated on this one.




wingstrut -> RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! (7/27/2008 11:13:27 PM)

Gentlemen, I have entered my question twice in this forum and have not seen it posted, I must be doing something wrong. anyway here's my question.

I plan on purchasing a Saito FA62A but I have not seen it mentioned in your forum, is there something wrong with that engine? should I get the 56 instead? Help would be much appreciated,Thank you




Ed Cregger -> RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! (7/28/2008 12:33:25 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Michaelh

In all reality if you just tuned your engine up you shouldnt even know how many turns out it is [:D] Every setup is different .
I have to tune my one plane in at half tank and force it to idle at startup till it starts to lean out then only run it down 5/8ths. The beauty of a regulator is I will not have to worry about this anymore.






Actually, if you treat your engine correctly and do not settle for "just getting away with it", you should check your engine's high speed needle setting before every day's flying session begins, even with a Cline Regulator.

Why?

Because instead of having fixed timing, as you would with a spark plug and ignition unit, your glow engine's timing is affected by ambient temperature, humidity, barometric pressure and probably the phase of the Moon (joking on the latter). The high speed needle is used to not only adjust the fuel mixture to the correct ratio, but also to adjust the timing of your glow engine.

Yes, I know that you'll hear people talking about not having adjusted their engine for two or three years. Those who started out richer than need be will probably not have had any problems, but those pilots that need every last erg of power and who tuned the engine right up to the edge of being too lean are going to experience mysterious deadsticks, backfiring with lost props and a not pleasant sounding engine when the weather changes sufficiently.

I don't mean to offend anyone, but when you hear someone implying that you do not need to adjust that needle valve daily, make a mental note that that person doesn't know squat about glow engines.


Ed Cregger




Michaelh -> RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! (7/28/2008 2:07:35 AM)

So your implying that I said that Ed? I said nothing of the sorts.
Nor did I say the Cline would allow me to this. It would allow me to run the correct mixture from full to empty.
As Im a pretty decent 3D pilot I need a reliable engine when Im 5' off the ground with the nose pointed straight up. It has taken me a While to be comfortable with a glow engine while doing this and Im not out to screw myself or any of you.

Being that you Quote me then say this gets me wondering on your intentions.


My engines perform!
Mike




Shubova -> RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! (7/28/2008 7:33:59 AM)

I installed the Cline…it works great. I had a problem when I install a Satio180 in GP Super Stearman. The tank is higher then the spray bar in the carb and the fuel would siphon out of the carb. The Cline...solve that one quick.
The only mistake I made is when I went to fill the tank; part of the Cline system as some of you already know requires the use of a check valve in the pressure line. The check valve would not let the air pressure exhaust when filling. So I cut the line between the tank and check valve then added a piece of brass tubing to the line so that it would exhaust when filling and when I am finished fueling up all I have to do is reconnect the line together.
Happy Flying!
Shubova
[8D]




Ed Cregger -> RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! (7/28/2008 2:37:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Michaelh

So your implying that I said that Ed? I said nothing of the sorts.
Nor did I say the Cline would allow me to this. It would allow me to run the correct mixture from full to empty.
As Im a pretty decent 3D pilot I need a reliable engine when Im 5' off the ground with the nose pointed straight up. It has taken me a While to be comfortable with a glow engine while doing this and Im not out to screw myself or any of you.

Being that you Quote me then say this gets me wondering on your intentions.


My engines perform!
Mike



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No, Mike. Obviously you did not say that. I must have been on one of my frequent excursions to Lah-Lah Land yesterday. I simply can't explain it. No hidden agendas here. My apologies to you.

Ed Cregger





blw -> RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! (7/28/2008 2:59:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: wingstrut

Gentlemen, I have entered my question twice in this forum and have not seen it posted, I must be doing something wrong. anyway here's my question.

I plan on purchasing a Saito FA62A but I have not seen it mentioned in your forum, is there something wrong with that engine? should I get the 56 instead? Help would be much appreciated,Thank you


I don't have this engine, nor have I seen one run but all reports on it have been good from what I know. Sometimes, a really great engine like the Saito .56 just doesn't get much said about it. One reason is they never give any problems. Plus, the .62 is still new to the Saito line. I have been told that it is even better than the .56, which is really something.




w8ye -> RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! (7/28/2008 3:39:39 PM)

There was a lot of talk about the 62 when it first came out.

I have a 62 Golden Knight version. They have noticeably more power than a 56. There is nothing wrong with them.

There's nothing wrong with a 56 either. I have three.




TomTreese -> RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! (7/28/2008 3:46:11 PM)

I received my Saito 180 from Saito Service. The one that was vibrating the muffler off on the DP Ultimate. It seems that every engine I put on the Ultimate that happens. First the 150 and now the 180.

So this time I installed The Turboheader Muffler. It went on easily, although I had to remove the intake pipe to screw it on.
It looks and sounds great and fit much better under the cowling. I also picked up about 200 rpm, not that that was an issue.

So far I have run the engine 30 minutes and no sign of loosening. I'll try flying with it today.

http://www.rcuniverse.com/market/item.cfm?itemId=411691#




boogermancan -> RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! (7/28/2008 7:29:11 PM)

i have added to my collection a new to me use 82 .. no velocity stack on this one. it make a mess all inside the cowling. raw fule all over it flys less time to. going to putt the gk back in it and find a bird that has a upside down mount for this one .<<<<<<ps letts all send saito a tell all saitos should come with a velocity stack>>>>>




w8ye -> RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! (7/28/2008 8:47:50 PM)

Sometimes a Saito engine will be messy in spite of a velocity stack. It has to do with the mixture setting, the amount of ring blow-by, the way the crankcase vent is plumbed, and the condition of the seal on the front bearing.




onecuwldood -> RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! (7/29/2008 12:38:52 AM)


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ORIGINAL: wingstrut

Gentlemen, I have entered my question twice in this forum and have not seen it posted, I must be doing something wrong. anyway here's my question.

I plan on purchasing a Saito FA62A but I have not seen it mentioned in your forum, is there something wrong with that engine? should I get the 56 instead? Help would be much appreciated,Thank you


We have a club member with one on a Showtime 50 and it does GREAT! As others have said, I've not heard of any problems with them, only good stuff. Should be a fine addition to anyone's collection.




stallwart -> RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! (7/29/2008 2:20:11 AM)


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ORIGINAL: wingstrut

Gentlemen, I have entered my question twice in this forum and have not seen it posted, I must be doing something wrong. anyway here's my question.

I plan on purchasing a Saito FA62A but I have not seen it mentioned in your forum, is there something wrong with that engine? should I get the 56 instead? Help would be much appreciated,Thank you



Here's my 62 installed and ready to fly. It is the easiest to break in and start of all my Saitos. It is also 100% reliable in flight. In, fact, with the glow igniter in place, I don't dare move the prop unless I'm ready to start it up. It want's to run.




TomTreese -> RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! (7/29/2008 1:42:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: w8ye

Sometimes a Saito engine will be messy in spite of a velocity stack. It has to do with the mixture setting, the amount of ring blow-by, the way the crankcase vent is plumbed, and the condition of the seal on the front bearing.


I have seen on this thread as well as a fellow pilot using a Bru-Line filter on the stack. It seems to keep the fuel from splashing out of the carb. and it gets burned instead, which increases fuel efficiency?

I have two ordered and will give it a try.

Stay Tuned??




sodbuster 1 -> RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! (7/29/2008 1:55:10 PM)

Hobbsy,
Any updates on breaking in the 1.15?

Also a general question question about 4 strokes to the thread if that's ok
Please pardon the ignorance as I'm new to 4 strokes and have never used an onboard ignition setup for glow
When you use an onboard glow setup for a 4 stroke, does the plug remain under battery assist while it's running?




w8ye -> RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! (7/29/2008 3:29:23 PM)

There are different set-ups with the on-board glow

But most are set up in some way so that the power is only going to the plug at low speeds.

The most sophisticated sense the plugs temperature and apply current is the plug gets cool.

The least complicated homebuilt ones have the throttle rod trip a switch to turn on battery power to the glow plug.




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