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RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! - 10/4/2012 12:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		i got to the fly-in and found my battery dead in the tach, so no rpm yet. gonna try again this coming sunday. the fly-in was just about a total was, got 2 flights in between the rain drops, turns out we where under a flash flood warnin' and there i was putting up a tent friday night at 10pm in the rain. got in alot of hanger talk time though and met my district ama prez. the sukhoi is a hanger 9 version, it was flown less then a dozen times before i got my gubby hands on it for small money. 4 wing servos, 2 elevator, 2 rudder, most of which are hs-5945mg.......even though they are hard to find , i have my eye on a couple ($90 each), one wing panel is missing a servo . I believe with this one i'm pretty close to 28 or so planes.

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RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! - 10/4/2012 2:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sounds like a lot of fun fred,if you have recievers and battery packs in all of them..that could be a full time job man all good fun but! till the handbrake nabs you

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RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! - 10/4/2012 7:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wow, 28 planes.  Where the heck do you store them all?  I have trouble finding space for the 5 I have.  It's a full time job keeping all of them flyable considering after session checks and occassional upgrades.

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RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! - 10/5/2012 2:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		i have recievers in about half, it's a mixture of 2.4 and fm. i bought two storage sheds 24' x 12' that i keep em all in. Just bought a rebuild kit for my Saito 91 , paid $31 on ebay. it says it has both bearings, all gaskets, carb rebuild, piston ring, and the rubbers at the top of the pushrod tubes. The front bearing was leakin some oil so i figured why not, i'll have to take most of it apart to get to the front bearing anyhow. My question is what is the best way to hone the inside of the bore, do i just wrap some sand paper around my pinky? i would think i need to hone it if i'm installing a new piston ring. last month i refreshed some of the batteries in a few planes, bought 12 -2200mah nimh 5 cell batteries.... they said free shipping on orders over $50!

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RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! - 10/5/2012 2:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		maybe i'm addicted to flying, i still have the first ever plane i built (gp p51 mustang) and the first plane i ever flew ( 72" Telemaster). Is that hording? do they have rehab for that? for my moms birthday i sent her an invitation to a Warbird Rally. she said she couldn't make it but that it was the thought that counts.

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RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! - 10/5/2012 4:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Howdy Fred I dont think I would be trying to hone the cyl. Maybe if it was a steel liner . Cheers the pope

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RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! - 10/5/2012 6:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		So, 28 planes is 2 hangars full.    I've probably owned that many total but, not all at once.  I may have crashed that many but, lost count. 

To hone or not to hone ....that is the question ....better answered by Hobbsy or one of the other gurus here.  I thought the Saitos were sleeved but, I don't know a thing about that end of it.

My wife thinks I'm addicted and she's tried to get me to see a shrink.  I made an appointment but, she canceled it when she found out he was into RC planes too. 
I invite her to the club field all the time but, have never tried a written invitation.  Maybe I'll got one engraved. 

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RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! - 10/5/2012 1:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Fred, the cylinder is hard chrome plated right on the aluminum, I don't think I'd hone it, I did the opposite of what you're doing, I put a new cylinder on my old 1.50 and used the old ring and piston. The compression was there on the very first compression stroke just like always. You cannot feel any wear ring nor see any wear even with a huge magnafying glass.

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RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! - 10/5/2012 1:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hello fred dave and popey are right,they don't wear unless you do something really silly.Hard chrome barrel and valve seats so don't be tempted to "grind" those either,they'll outlast you.Same as a nikasil coated two stroke barrel if you like.

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RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! - 10/5/2012 1:48 PM   
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Hello fred dave and popey are right,they don't wear unless you do something really silly.Hard chrome barrel and valve seats so don't be tempted to ''grind'' those either,they'll outlast you.Same as a nikasil coated two stroke barrel if you like.



One can use a very mild abrasive like toothpaste to help clen up the valve faces W/the seats. The toothpaste will clean the surfaces & perhaps dress up the softer valve surfaces, but it will ot affect the hard chromw valve seats.

The toothpaste cleans up completely W/water.

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RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! - 10/5/2012 5:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		You *can* do those things, but it sure is better to not do them unless you have the excessive damage/wear and no money. Just an opinion but I'm with Dave and OF on this.

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RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! - 10/6/2012 12:08 AM   
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You *can* do those things, but it sure is better to not do them unless you have the excessive damage/wear and no money. Just an opinion but I'm with Dave and OF on this.



Toothpaste will not harm the seats. It will merely clean them & burnish the valves..

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RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! - 10/6/2012 3:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		i don't have any loss of compression, i just wanted to do something with the piston ring that comes in the rebuild kit. i guess it's kinda like those ABC cylinders ( aluminium, brass, chrome), i think the OS 46 fx was like that. best in that case to just leave well enough alone. i have honed some gas airplane engines with brake hones, worked pretty good. i know that just replacing the ring and not the cylinder would probly be a worse condition. i have polished cd's with toothpaste....very cool trick, and it probly could be used as a lapping compound. Hmmm....wonder if i could use the ring in my nose?

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RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! - 10/6/2012 4:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Unless there is unusual wear in the bore I would simply install the new ring and do a standard break in procedure. If there are signs of excessive bore wear then a new cylinder is in order in any event.

Depending on the gen of the motor I would also avoid touching the valve seats. The earlier Saitos used plating on the alloy head material and they were never to be touched up. If you tried the plating would come off and you would then be running the valve directly on the alloy. This would likely be a recipe for short life expectancy. I believe one of the easiest ways to determine if it is the earlier generation is those had metal throttle arms. This may not always be the case as the newer plastic throttles were a direct swap.

The newer gen Saitos have brass insert valve seats and I believe those can be polished.

p.s. With the hardened liners in some of our Fox engines you could expect to install several rings before the liner would have to be replaced. Each new ring required a break in as with new, but took a while.

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RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! - 10/6/2012 8:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Didn't Bill Robison once say he would spin a round pencil eraser in the valve seats with his fingers just to clean them up?

If I run out of toothpaste can I brush my teeth with valve grinding compound?

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RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! - 10/6/2012 11:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		You can certainly try that one ernie,please let everyone know how it went..or you could be lazy by walking into the bathroom without bothering to turn the light on first.That's when you get to spray shaving cream under your armpits.

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RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! - 10/6/2012 12:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ernie, that's exactly what WR said.

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RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! - 10/6/2012 1:42 PM   
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i have recievers in about half, it's a mixture of 2.4 and fm. i bought two storage sheds 24' x 12' that i keep em all in. Just bought a rebuild kit for my Saito 91 , paid $31 on ebay. it says it has both bearings, all gaskets, carb rebuild, piston ring, and the rubbers at the top of the pushrod tubes. The front bearing was leakin some oil so i figured why not, i'll have to take most of it apart to get to the front bearing anyhow. My question is what is the best way to hone the inside of the bore, do i just wrap some sand paper around my pinky? i would think i need to hone it if i'm installing a new piston ring. last month i refreshed some of the batteries in a few planes, bought 12 -2200mah nimh 5 cell batteries.... they said free shipping on orders over $50!
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wow, i have a friend in one of the clubs that o fly from that have 110 planes. He even have a webpage.
I have 7 And my wife complains



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RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! - 10/6/2012 2:07 PM   
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My wife thinks I'm addicted and she's tried to get me to see a shrink.  I made an appointment but, she canceled it when she found out he was into RC planes too. 


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So true, there is a shrink that flies with us. He evens gives advise to people over the phone in front of us.



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RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! - 10/6/2012 4:13 PM   
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Didn't Bill Robison once say he would spin a round pencil eraser in the valve seats with his fingers just to clean them up?

If I run out of toothpaste can I brush my teeth with valve grinding compound?

Thanks,

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Ernie....it looks like you posting just to have something to do.   Go flying or work on your airplane equipment.............

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RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! - 10/7/2012 12:57 AM   
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Hmm I currently have 54 airplanes..... saito 300 twin for my Giant F4u Corsair.. 150 on my Giant Big Stick ... 180 on the 1/4 Sopwith Pup.....170 Triple radial on my 1/4 Fokker DR1.....120 on my VenusII.....and I am working on a 14ft wingspan B24 Liberator that I have 4 91's for....Oh and I have a 72 on a Great planes .60 Cub....   Do I qualify for the club?? Come to think of it all my 4 stroke engines are Saito's...in fact they are all Golden Knights except the 120 in the venus. As my GF says.. they are petty!!!!!
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RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! - 10/7/2012 2:51 PM   
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RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! - 10/7/2012 2:53 PM   
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It was my gf that suggested i get the Sukhoi, she must have thought i was in the dumps. Next time you want a plane do like me......pout~!



Isn't that how the female gender usually operates?

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RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! - 10/8/2012 12:54 PM   
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RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! - 10/8/2012 2:36 PM   
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i have polished cd's with toothpaste....very cool trick, and it probly could be used as a lapping compound.



If it won't harm the soft plastic of a CD I don't see how it could harm a hard chrome valve seat.

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