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RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! - 2/12/2013 11:54 AM   
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I have heard of some people using lighter fluid to help start a cold engine but don't know how well it works or if it's even advisable.

I'm so glad YOU said that couple of drops and you're away and running

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RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! - 2/12/2013 3:25 PM   
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Anyone know why they sometimes start in reverse?






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RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! - 2/12/2013 7:49 PM   
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I have heard of some people using lighter fluid to help start a cold engine but don't know how well it works or if it's even advisable.

I'm so glad YOU said that couple of drops and you're away and running


They are pretty snappy with a little lighter fluid.



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RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! - 2/12/2013 8:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK then. So lighter fluid is the ticket for getting a cold engine running. Do you put a few drops down the carb or put a little in the fuel tank?


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RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! - 2/12/2013 9:34 PM   
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RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! - 2/12/2013 9:55 PM   
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RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! - 2/12/2013 10:13 PM   
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RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! - 2/14/2013 9:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi mate,on a fourstroke i open the throttle fully and block the carb intake with my thumb,flick the prop two or three times to bring the fuel up then a couple of drops of lighter fluid into the carb with throttle fully open.Flick the prop over several times.Throttle back to your normal starting position and put the glo stick on.One or two flicks and your away.If your engine is fully cowled it's going to be a pain in the rear end.

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RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! - 2/14/2013 9:44 AM   
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RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! - 2/14/2013 2:56 PM   
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In very cold conditions i don't see why you could'nt set upu a portable hairdryer to blow warm air into a fully cowled engine for five or ten minutes,should be game on then.

I never thought of that. They make 12v models for RV use don't they?

I used my heat gun in the garage when I am out putzing around on a cold day.

Geting the intake manifold & carburetor warm is the most effective method IME.

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RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! - 2/14/2013 10:53 PM   
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Status: online 		I find the starting sequences people are using interesting.  After a number of "bitten fingers", bitten by various engines startingh with Burford 2.5 diesels and working up through to those engines referred to in polite circles as "Leroy's revenge" I have come to a number of conclusions.
1/ Ensure that your engine is run in and in good tune, this leads to 2/ The engine should have an established prime procedure, mine is (with presurised tanks to place a finger (or suitable blocking device on the muffler outlet and turn the engine over by hand 2 or 3 revolutions, them 3/ apply the glo device and 4/ attach starting device (my electric starter) and actuate.  Assuming all batteries are fully charged and I have the throttle open the required amount (I find this is different for each engine) the engine 99% of the time starts is the desired fashion.
IF I DEVIATE from ths procedure I expect to have problems.
The essage I am trying to deliver is have a start procedure, stick to ii and if you have problems you can virtually elimate (or confirm) such things as dud glo plugs, flooding, poor start due to cold or hot (yesfuel vaporises) coditions etc.
And the biggie, no damaged didgets
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RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! - 2/15/2013 4:29 PM   
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RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! - 2/15/2013 8:39 PM   
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RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! - 2/15/2013 9:01 PM   
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RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! - 2/16/2013 2:23 AM   
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reference previous p[ost , does any one know how to get the spell checker to work automatically???


Don't worry abou it.  It gives the rest of us something to point and giggle about. 

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RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! - 2/16/2013 3:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		I got the HSN from Horizon Hobby and ran my Saito 82 on the bench. The outside temp was 28 deg F, so not too bad. I used an OS type F plug, and APC 14x4W prop, and Rich's Brew YS/Saito blend (20% nitro, 20% synth. oil). I peaked the engine at 10200 rpm but richened it back to 9500 rpm and idles at 2500 rpm.
So I am very happy with my Saito and plan on mounting it in my Great Planes U Can Do 46.

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RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! - 2/17/2013 12:43 AM   
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Re the man with the Saito 62 running the 14 x 4 prop, bit big unless one is looking at an event like O/T Texaco better off with a 12 or 13 x6, but I do approve of the fuel very similar to our racing fuel, most important to keep the oil quantity in the mix, Saito recommend 20% synthetic (at least) in the modern 4 strokes 

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RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! - 2/17/2013 4:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		I just bought a Saito 56 to go on my LT40 build. You guys still handing out numbers Saito club? I'd like one if you are. Thanks!

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RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! - 2/17/2013 8:44 AM   
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Hi mate i've been using 10% syn and 5% castor for donkeys ages,no dramas yet.Does too much oil slow your saitos down?

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RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! - 2/17/2013 10:58 AM   
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Status: online 		Whats wrong with Texaco events.  Re the oil thing I follow the manufacturers recommendations.  On the new Saitos it is suggested that 20% synthetic is used (we have had a fight with the Rules committe over that one), different with the older engines but for simplicity sake we use the same in all the engines.  Nitro mix for Texaco is 10%  (VP usually) however for Duration we use standard YS mix, 30% nitro 20% high viscosity heli oil (Klotz) once again to simplify the logistics.  Works well and engines last a long time.  I only use castor in diesels these days and given modern oil technology castor might be on its way out there as well (especially on the go fast enyas)
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RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! - 2/17/2013 11:05 AM   
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Status: online 		Didn't answer your question the answer is no, oil technology for our engines can be as complex as for 1:1 aircraft engines.  One can go into brain overload if one allows it.  Me I run the odd simulation when a new product comes my way and if it does give at least 10% increase I bin it, not worth the worry.  Castor gums up engines synthetic doesn't, that is my experience in various climates and varying performance scenerios.  That is the reason why I moved to them years ago but I think it is the Ford V Holden thing in the end.  What works for me does (likewise for my competition mate) and that is where we are at,   It helps here that the components are cheap relative to the rest of the world as well.
I am about to embark on a trip into using gas engines which I think will be a whole new ball game.  I have that FG20 and the 36 to play with and they are next on my list to be fitted to the Storch and the Swordfish respectively.  Fingers crossed it all works out ok

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RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! - 2/17/2013 3:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's not that I am nitro crazy, I got that fuel because it was available cheap with 20% oil. I also plan on trying a 14x6 prop on the 82 later on.

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RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! - 2/18/2013 10:19 AM   
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Status: online 		For performance we run 13x6 on the 62 as a maximum size more often a 12x6 but they are special builds.  The 14x6 should be ok as a sports prop but I would use a 13x6 in APC

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RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! - 2/18/2013 1:43 PM   
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RE: Welcome to Club SAITO ! - 2/18/2013 1:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		62's run real good on a APC 12/6. 72's like a 13/6 of the same brand. 

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