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OS46FX with Turbo Jett Muffler - 10/25/2002 5:39:14 PM   
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I have a OS46FX with a Turbo Jett muffler. The engine ran with the TJ muffler for the first time yesterday. With a 10x6 APC prop I could not get more than ~13500. Here is a complete break down:

- OS46FX + Jett TJ 6.5 cc muffler
- 10x6 APC
- OS A8 plug
- Morgan Omega 15% fuel
- Engine has had about 2.5 gallons of fuel through it
- Temp was about 5 degree C
- Altitude is... ahh... nothin' special.. about 500 ft above

- Tach was tested and is expected accurate

I tried a 11x5 (cut down to about 10.5) and a 12x4.
The also peaked out in 13K range.

So my question is: what factors are preventing me from seeing the 15K+ rpm range reported on the Jett web site.

The next thing I will check is the fuel draw... maybe it is constricted somewhere in the tank... in the mean time, any feedback welcome.

p.s. I have Jett Stream waiting in the wings.
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OS46FX with Turbo Jett Muffler - 10/25/2002 5:41:57 PM   
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woops... that is "500 feet above -sea level- (Ontario, Canada)"

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OS46FX with Turbo Jett Muffler - 10/25/2002 6:23:13 PM   
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I checked the fuel lines all the way to the clunk. Nothing seemed wrong. The tank-internal line to the clunk has a slightly (~1/64 inch) smaller inside diameter than the rest... that is about the only think I consider unusual.

The muffler pressure line is clear.

The tank is sitting a bit low. The needle valve is aligned with the top of the tank.... but that is only about 1/4 tank height away from where it should be.... not optimal, but I don't think it would account for 1500-2000 rpm difference I am seeing (i.e. the 13500 rpm I see versus 15k+ reported on Jett web site).

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engine RPM - 10/25/2002 7:42:13 PM   
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Hi Jim...

Thank you for writing. Off hand, I do not see anything that is out of line or a problem. Let me see if I can help.

Short answer first. - Need a little more data

You will see an increase of approxmately 800-1000 rpms from performance with the stock muffler, depending on the prop. The 40 size Turbo-Jett is tuned to operate over 13,500, and works even better as you approach 16,000. First, the engine must turn AT LEAST 13,000 on the ground for the Turbo-Jett to work well.

To do this, the prop selection determines RPM. Smaller prop = more RPM, which is better. The Turbo-Jett is more broad-ranged than the Jett-Stream, and you will be able to turn up to 11x5 with a little care. In trade, it does not boost RPMs as much as the Jett-Stream. A 12x4 is about the limit I have found with .46 size engines.

Of note, the turbo-jett provides more muffler pressure than the stock muffler, so this should assist with fuel delivery.

It was not clear if your test was in an aircraft or on a solid test stand. Please install the engine on a test stand for evaluation. There are too many variable in an aircraft installation. A test stand will eliminate most of them.

Please provide RPM with the stock (factory) muffler on the test stand, and then with the Turbo-Jett. Try first a 9x6 APC and the 10x6 APC.

Do not get the engine lean. Find peak. Back off 2-300 rpm. Shut the engine off, and then let it cool down for 5 minutes. Restart the engine, and get your RPM reading there.

My own OS46FX and TT46 Pro both turn up to 13,700 - 14,000 rpm peak with the stock muffler, APC 10x6 and 15% Omega. Either is comfortable for flying and slightly rich running at 13,500 with the factory muffler. I think Dub's test numbers showed a peak of 14,200 on the OS46/os muffler, so his data is in the same ball park. Other OS and TT engines I have set up for people had similar performance.

My point to this question is, that if your engine is for some reason not achieving performance near this level with the factory muffler, there may be a fundimental problem with the engine itself. Thus my request for your test. Just as a baseline.

For reference, I have personally flown the following engine/prop combinations with the Turbo-Jett. Keeping in mind that my RPM data almost consistantly runs 300 rpm below what Dub gets. These are also peak RPM's, and I typically back off 300 rpm for flight.

Jett SJ-46 with
9x6 = 16,100 10x6=15,200 11x5=14,600 12x4=14,100
All props unload quite a bit in the air.

OS46 with
10x6=14,800 11x5=14,200 11x6=12,800 12x4=13,600

TT46 with
10x6=14,800 11x5=14,300 11x6=12,700 12x4=13,500

It is also worth noting, that, in general, I find that my test stand RPM's are on average 100 rpm higer than what I see as installed in an aircraft.
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So, if your OS46 with the 12x4 is peaking around the 13K range, that is pretty close, and it will likely unload nicely in the air ( I fly this on combination on my P-51 with the SJ-46). But a 10x6 should easily make it over 14,500 under any conditions.

Let me know about the test stand, and stock muffler RPM and we can work from there.

Bob

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OS46FX with Turbo Jett Muffler - 10/25/2002 8:15:08 PM   
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Hi Bob,

Thank-you for the reply.

I tested in the plane, but will test on a test stand.

I did see an increase of about ~1000 over the stock muffler... but I should double check that. Certainly, there was alot more power.

I will prop down until I see at least 14000. If a 9x6 doesn't do it, then I'll assume the engine has a problem.

I have another brand new 46fx, so I'll try that as well (on the stand) if I find no joy with the current engin.

I'll post again when I have more data.

Regards,
Jim Trainor

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OS46FX with Turbo Jett Muffler - 10/25/2002 11:31:39 PM   
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Thanks for the update Jim. Let me know how you make out.

Bob

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OS46FX with Turbo Jett Muffler - 11/3/2002 6:07:32 AM   
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Hello Bob,

I finally tested the engine on a test stand.

Stock Turbo Jett
Muffler Jett Stream

9x6 15400
10x6 13000 13800 14200

I didn't test the 9x6 with the Jett mufflers, I was satisified just to see that, yes, the engine will run upwards of 15K. I was also a bit worried that, with such a light load, the engine's RPM might get boosted up into a range that might be harmful to the engine (beyond ~17K - OS's specified max).

I am not seeing the 14K+ RPM with the stock muffler. So I need to figure out what is going on with the engine that would prevent this.

Obviosly, that is not a Jett problem, but if you have any suggestions I am open.

I will move my question over to the generic engine discussion form, or perhaps the OS support forum.

Thanks for you help!

Jim Trainor

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OS46FX with Turbo Jett Muffler - 11/3/2002 11:30:39 PM   
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Hi Jim,

Thanks for the update. It looks like you are at least getting the appropriate increase in RPM (delta rpm) that would be expected. I think you will be pleased with the performance of the turbo-jett, as you can expect the engine to unload a few more RPM in the air.

General variances in the engine, how it was initially broken-in and how it is initially flown have a lot to do with the rpm you will see from the engine. This is especially true of ABC type engines. Often, this is where one finds an engine turning a bit higher rpm than a similar one.

Basically the engine should be broken in at the RPM you wish to eventually run at. Usually this involves running a smaller prop, with the engine only slightly rich for break-in. This allows the engine fit to optimize at the temperatures involved. As the RPM creeps higher, then you increase the prop load to achieve the desired rpm.

I am not sure if this pertains to your situation, but it is a frequently asked question.

Bob

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OS46FX with Turbo Jett Muffler - 11/3/2002 11:59:57 PM   
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Hello Bob,

Thanks for the break in tips. I have a brand new 46fx sitting here waiting to be broken in. I will break it in with the Turbo Jett jet (or maybe the Jett Stream - I have one of those too) following your procedure.

The current engine was not broken in at those high RPM's. I broke it in with an 11x6 prop. I don't think it ran much higher than 12k for the first 1.5 gallons of fuel.

Thanks,
Jim

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OS46FX with Turbo Jett Muffler - 11/4/2002 4:37:43 AM   
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Might be your breakin... We run them long enough to get them tuned in and screaming and then go to the air for the rest of the break in.. No special equipment about it. One trick some guys use for an engine that doesn't want to rev up right is (putting on my flack suit) to take a prop and cut down to like a two inch diameter. Put it on and start the engine. The .46 will usually hit 20K + rpm with this set up. Open the throttle for just a few seconds then idle for a few seconds. Go back an forth a few times like this. Guys claim this gets it past the high rpm block. "It makes it WANT to run fast". I have seen it done and it seemed to improve the top end. Sure does screen though.

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OS46FX with Turbo Jett Muffler - 11/4/2002 5:11:15 AM   
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yikes... but, I'll give it a try.

interesting

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