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RE: What happens if MAAC folded? - 9/12/2005 8:54:36 PM   
can773



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Are were perhaps on the liberal gov thread by mistake, "constitutional obligation"

Why does maac pay the highest ACC, even though we fly toys, some of the toys no bigger than a shoe box.

Why is the fee based on the whole membership when less that 0.1% fly FAI.

Why not based the acc on the total number of MAAC fai pilots.

this could be done by have a new maac membershipclass called maa fai, have a different fee ( slight higher fee but would be less that a cup of coffee a day), this would allow maac to get a fix on the number of fai types plus use the additional fees to pay for more salt trips.

tell us what benefit average jo maac member will get from the third trip to the salt mines that were not passe down on the first two ips to the salt mines.

I support FAI, I support the trip to the salt mines, however should we not support out own costs and not ask the general memership to support the areas we pursue, it someone want to contribute, there is the vonluntary donation route.

Canadian modleres are very innoavative, we have modellers all over Canada that have never been to an FAI event and continue with innovation.


Ken

There is the little feature in the posting page called spell check......you should use it.

Also a few capitals and correct grammer would make your jibborish a lot easier to read.


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RE: What happens if MAAC folded? - 9/12/2005 9:14:52 PM   
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RE: What happens if MAAC folded? - 9/12/2005 10:55:05 PM   
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Maybe it is....

Maybe it's time we all pursued less lofty goals, maybe we should simply be happy with flying the circuit, consuming some tube staks and returning home with a seviceable aircraft?

Or maybe we should refrain from flying altogether, instead we could display our aircraft, sit around and talk about the good old days when we actually built aircraft and not only flew them but, actually pitted our skills against others in friendly competition....

The tripe being posted here is truly nauseating, posting of false information and innuendo followed by backpedalling when challenged is most distasteful.




Jim

Just for arguments sake IF (and not for a moment do I think it would occur) enough members mounted a challenge and changed the constitution would you express your discontent with the situation at every opportunity or simply quietly accept the decision? My point is that I believe that people should be able to voice whatever issue they have and let the masses decide. At the end of the day no matter how hard you try there will always be unhappy folks with any organization.

One of the biggest myths on this site is that things said here will have influence on the future of MAAC (One post on that subject was that we are giving MAAC and Canadian modelling a black eye) and yet it is very simple to see the number of times a post is viewed. This thread, which is fairly controversial has only been viewed ~ 600 times and I would suggest that it is mostly the same small number of folks who simply view it many times a day (I check around 6 or 7) that are racking up that number, hardly likely to influence 13000 members.

I for one think that IF folks get royally upset with paying a measly 75 bucks a year and truely never want to fly at a nearby field or compete internationally, then there will be a move towards an insurance only organization which will probably need around 50 bucks a year per member to operate - let the revolution begin.

I will leave comments on the accuracy of information posted here alone.

You already know my thoughts on good governance.

cheers

Jeff



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RE: What happens if MAAC folded? - 9/12/2005 11:32:50 PM   
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I can't help myself!

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RE: What happens if MAAC folded? - 9/12/2005 11:33:25 PM   
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Just for arguments sake IF (and not for a moment do I think it would occur) enough members mounted a challenge and changed the constitution would you express your discontent with the situation at every opportunity or simply quietly accept the decision?
... My point is ....


I conced, I would be shouting at every opportunity necessary if I felt my liberties were being squashed ... which is not the case here.
My point is; I would not be posting intentional mistruths and innuendo to make my points....

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I will leave comments on the accuracy of information posted here alone.


A PC choice...

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RE: What happens if MAAC folded? - 9/12/2005 11:54:18 PM   
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Chad:

I can't help myself!

Heed thy own advice…

"gib·ber·ish"

Dennis


Thats eastern Canadian spelling :-)


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RE: What happens if MAAC folded? - 9/13/2005 12:34:50 AM   
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I conced, I would be shouting at every opportunity necessary if I felt my liberties were being squashed ... which is not the case here.
My point is; I would not be posting intentional mistruths and innuendo to make my points....



Personally I believe little of what I read anywhere (newspapers included), and I would hope that most folks have fairly highly tuned BS detectors (although if they did there would be no audience for conspiracy theorists), especially when a source is repeatedly shown to be disreputable.

JH

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RE: What happens if MAAC folded? - 9/13/2005 1:14:30 AM   
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Chad:

I can't help myself!

Heed thy own advice…

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Dennis



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Thats eastern Canadian spelling :-)


No, that is real English actually.


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RE: What happens if MAAC folded? - 9/13/2005 1:44:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		Regarding Ken K's concern over MAAC's ACC fees, I fail to follow his logic. Is he saying that because our planes are one fifth the size of full size planes we should in total pay five times less?

He has also suggested that the total should be based on our total of 'FAI competitors'. Bearing in mind that the other aerosport associations have a similar structure of FAI competitor, competitor and non-competitor, that might not do us much good. Modellers are the major user of FAI services and we attend world championships every year in a number of different disciplines, at least fourteen, half of which are run each year. The full size enthusiast compete in only one discipline, every other year.

Remember that we have to negotiate our fees with the other aerosport enthusiasts, many of whom have a background in aeromodelling. So how have we done this?

First let's set the scene:
The Aero Club of Canada is made up mostly of aeromodellers - MAAC is 75% of the ACC. There are five other associations, the biggest of which has about 1900 members against our 13,000.

A formula has been developed which essentially reduces the fee per capita proportionally. There is a fixed starting amount, then the per capita charge reduces for the bigger associations. The result of this is that the 1.5% of their membership that MAAC members pay towards the Aero Club is in real money per capita one third the amount paid by the next largest group and nearly one twentieth the amount paid by the smallest group.

Many of the 'full size' enthusiasts would really like everybody in the Aero Club to pay the same amount, per capita. But they have become prepared to accept the current sliding scale rather than lose MAAC's input altogether.

The current formula was developed by modellers and approved by the MAAC Board. Let's not imperil the agreement.

In summary:

We pay more (as an association, but not per capita) because we comprise 75% of the Aero Club's membership and because we are the major user of FAI services.

We pay less, per capita, because we are the biggest proportion of the membership. How much do we pay, per capita, per year? A little over a dollar.

Let's not broadcast deliberately misleading statistics.

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RE: What happens if MAAC folded? - 9/13/2005 2:41:04 AM   
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... deliberately misleading statistics.


Unfortunately it has been my experience that that statement is usually oxymoronic (or should that be redundant)

JH

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RE: What happens if MAAC folded? - 9/13/2005 4:56:05 AM   
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Bottom line;

If it becomes a large enough issue someday and MAAC is still around, and enough are motivated to tackle the issue, there are provisions within the system for making constitutional change.

If you truely believe in the constitution and a major change is made within the rule books, then regardless of which side you were on, you would accept democratic rule and move on or begin the process in reverse. If you can't accept that, then you shouldn't be playing the constitution card in the first place.

If you look at the provision from a business standpoint, it likely isn't very smart having the ACC membership embedded within the constitution for the very reason the whole kerfluffle centred last time around..................It was money. If one looks at a worst case scenario, and the FAI decides one year to raise ACC membership by some outlandish number.....................the ACC will have to do in kind to survive and MAAC could be left in the o'l catch 22 where you are bound by the constitution to buy the next round, but might not be able to belly up to the bar because you don't have the coin?




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RE: What happens if MAAC folded? - 9/13/2005 1:00:21 PM   
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How much do we pay, per capita, per year? A little over a dollar.


Here Kenny, I'll refund your dollar if you'd just clam up... don't spend it all in one place now....

And I though us Scots were cheap.

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RE: What happens if MAAC folded? - 9/13/2005 1:16:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		for a buck no way, it's to much fun listening to the FAI bunk on how fai this and fai that, even the Mr. Larkin droning on about the ACC and constitutional obligations and how trips to the salt mines benefit aeromodelling in maac is entertaining, too bad maac does not have a posting for maac fai senators, Mr. Larkin would be perfect fit.

If there was 1 fai competitor in maac from the 13,000 maac senator larkin would still be out there waving the ACC flag and encouraging us to send more funds to the ACC for our constitutional obligations, the fai acc types are so funny.

heck even our Chad is now using E power that was speaheaded by sport flyers flying E powers many years before it found it's way into FAI pattern but I bet Mr. Larkin will say E power is another FAI modeler invention, too funny!

see you later.

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RE: What happens if MAAC folded? - 9/13/2005 1:37:18 PM   
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