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RE: Great Planes Seawind - 9/10/2007 2:15:43 AM   
Bob93447


 

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Tom,

From my limited flying experience with the Seawind, I knew it was fast but your results are fantastic. How is it getting off the water?

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RE: Great Planes Seawind - 9/10/2007 2:48:51 AM   
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Water is not bad. It's mainly the takeoff which can be a little tricky, but the water has less drag than the wheels on grass so it does get off faster. Mine hardly porpoises with the step in stock location so i don't have issues with the plane doing crazy stuff on the water. I also have the water rudder way down on the throw.

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RE: Great Planes Seawind - 9/10/2007 7:26:07 AM   
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Mine had a Super tiger 90 two stroke on it. and it did at least 90 mph! I had a 70 surpass on it stock, and I felt that it was not enough power so I got the 90. it was fast and very easy to fly. water handling was a bit to be desired........
the next one I get will have a 91 saito or I'll go electric. part of the cool factor of this plane though is the sound of the fourstroke swinging a three blade prop.

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RE: Great Planes Seawind - 9/10/2007 6:22:06 PM   
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Hey Guys: Just got back from Michigan from the Midwest Regional Float Fly with my Seawind. I my previous posts, I have flown it off land, very well a couple of times. However, off water, not so good. The first take off run I made was straight as an arrow into the wind. It did not ever do all of the wild dancing like I've heard in other posts. It would not come off the water. So I came back and added the flaps and made another run. Straight as an arrow and even on the water but seemed like it took for ever and I think I horsed it off and it flipped over. No damage, outside of soaking the receiver, even though it was in a waterproof bag, or so I thought so. I was done for the day. Any suggestions? I mean doable ones? I have a .91 4-stroke with retracts. It weighs in at 12 pounds.
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RE: Great Planes Seawind - 9/10/2007 6:39:29 PM   
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You have it right so far. Use flaps and just wait until it reaches flying speed.

Do you have the cover over the nose wheel? It is important that the nose wheel well is covered to reduce drag on the water.

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RE: Great Planes Seawind - 9/10/2007 6:43:52 PM   
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Not sure why it would flip. Usually once you are on step and have a good takeoff run going, she will just lift off

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RE: Great Planes Seawind - 9/12/2007 2:23:04 AM   
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I had my seawind clocked at 153 km/h into a 10k headwind so it will do 160km/h airspeed. Thats 100mph which surprised me, I didn't think it would be that quick. Engine is the enya 61 and a masterairscrew K series 12-8. It took 2-3 circuits to get up to full speed and is noticable quicker than the saito 82 i had on it earlier.


I forgot to mention that touchdown speed was 60kph (40mph) with full flap.

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RE: Great Planes Seawind - 9/12/2007 6:56:12 PM   
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Good to know I have half of it right. I do have the cover taped over the nosewheel. There was tons of water in the fuse after it flipped which says I didn't have it sealed enough. I did close up the bailer after reading all the posts. Wow, I was soooo close. I know how cool it looks in the air since two others flew at the meet. One got midaired. That was too bad, spectacular but too bad.
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RE: Great Planes Seawind - 9/21/2007 11:00:26 PM   
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Thanks to all who have posted on the Seawind. I got mine December of 06 and have taken my time putting it together and making sure it was right. I have been hesitant about flying it off water due to all the problems I have read about here. After double and triple checking everything I made an attempt at flying off water. This will be the primary use for this plane. I have the ACE Seamaster and have flown that many times so I am not new to flaot flying. Well, the first attempt was as expected. The oversized water rudder caused me to over control and caused it to drop a wing tip and end the first flight. Even slow taxi speeds will cause the wing tips to submerge. I reduced the size of the water rudder by two thirds and removed the leading portion in front of the post. I also fabricate wing tip floats very much like the floats on my Seamaster. Off to the lake I went yesterday for another try. Conditions were perfect with a 3 MPH breaze creating just a slight ripple. With the wing tip floats installed and the reduced water rudder it handled perfectly. I was able to make corrections on my take-off run with out adverse complications. There is a definate tecknique for taking off so you don't porpoise but that all comes with the learning curve as with any plane. Take-off was great using 5/8" of down flaps and gently using up elevator once speed was achived. In the air and flaps "up" it flew better that I expected with very little trim adjustments and hardly NO change in pitch during the transition to flaps "up". Landing was uneventful as I have read here that they must be kept very shallow and avoid and bounce. This was good advise as it will bounce and keep bouncing untill speed is gone. The second take-off, flight, and landing was simply a joy as the truly is a GREAT plane to have in you hangar. For those of you who have had trouble getting off the water, don't give up! Keep it headed stright, increase power until "on step" and slowly continue adding power until it is "light" on the water and then add in some elevator. What a sight to behold! The only problem I encounted was two ofthe engine cowl mount screw holes broke so I have to re-inforce the with some fiberglass tape and epoxy before the next flight. I might take the extended wing tip floats off for the next flight as some have called them "trainning wheels" but the work so well I may just leave them on. I covered them in red covering and the help with visiual referance in flight.
This is the set-up the my Seawind.
I have added the usual amount of weight in the nose causing the total weight to be as everyone elese's. CG is as specified in the manual. Auto bailer remove and plugged. Servos as per manual. Engine is Magnum .91 fourstroke with Master Airscrew 13 x 8 three blade prop running 10% nitro fuel, side mounted. Control surfaces set as per manual and found these to be just fine.
Thanks again to all those who have posted comments in this forum as each of you added to my initial flight success. Don't give up on the Seawind as it really is a Great Plane to fly!!!!!
Postflight inspection revealed that the bulkheads in the tail section/engine pod, had popped loose and the hatch cover screws on top of the engine pod had chaffed into the fuel tank. Goes to show you that a good inspection is required after each flight as with any airplane. I still like the Seawind even with it's manufacturing faults!

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RE: Great Planes Seawind - 9/22/2007 12:06:00 AM   
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Congrats!!!!! I am the one that called them training wheels ( well, my buddies did) they work great and coloring them red was a great idea. Yes, this plane is truly a sight in the air and the sound that the .91 saito with a three blade prop is heart throbbing. Keep it up and have many great flights with that beautiful bird!!!!!!!

Remember, If you feel uncomfortable on your landing aproach, don't force it down. ALWAYS do a go around and attemt it again. I alway landed with at least a 1/4 tank of fuel. This also applies to take off.
I think that patience is the key to this complicated bird.

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RE: Great Planes Seawind - 9/22/2007 3:07:16 AM   
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You can try this to keep the wings out of the water. If the left wingtip is in the water, always hold full right aileron and vice versa. Basically the water will flow under the aileron and keep the wingtip out of the water. I need to go fly mine of water more.

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RE: Great Planes Seawind - 9/27/2007 5:42:37 PM   
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I read the first page of all the issues with this plane, I don't understand why everone is taking so long to get there plane? If you go to www.nitroplanes.com the price of this plan is $225.00 v $299.97 at Great planes. I also received the plane in 2 days groung fraight damage free.
I've also installed the robart air gear recomended. So easy to install a monkey could do it. The cock pit is designed for it, it even has a hole in the fire wall to hold the medium air bottle. Also doing a true amphibian takes a little work, But there is a way to some what make this happen. Basicly the first thing to do is to seal the nose gear box with 1oz. fiber glass and uv resion takes about 20 minutes to fully set in the sun. make your holes in the walls for the front cable stearing, as minimal as possible with no drag. Next take a peice of EPP foam and push the cable through the foam it will drag for a short perion of time but will break in. I made it 1" thich, attach with shoe goop this also helps seal the water. This will keep 99.9% of the water out of the bulkhead. Put the air line through the wall snug hole and shoe goop both sides. No water!! Now The door, this is a little harder. You neet to get a pin hindge and attach it to the front edge where the panel fits in place. I.E. front of box. the door can only be as long as to not hit the weel. Use a wire slide connected to the gear half way down and to the door so when the gear comes up it will pull the door up. There is still a gap from the tire and the box will take on a little water when landing. When taking off the box will drain fast and no problems taking off. Looks pretty good to.!!

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RE: Great Planes Seawind - 9/28/2007 4:19:29 AM   
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Ok, Im trying to be cordial here. First of all this is the thread for the Great Planes version of the Seawind. Second of all, have you flown this plane of yours? If you read the thread for the Nitro Planes Seawind, you will very quickly discover that of all of the postings only 1 person has fairly sucessfully flown it and he was very good at what he was doing, and he didn't really say how well it flew! I really do not know what you are talking about when you say everyone is taking so long to get their plane. We all got ours and were pioneers of this plane and after over 800 posts we finally got it figured out. fly that plane THEN let us know how you did.

Oh, P.S. you acually get what you pay for when you buy a GP Seawind.

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RE: Great Planes Seawind - 9/28/2007 1:02:07 PM   
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Back in post #801 "Winner RC" told about his method for takeoff. I tried it last week and it worked great.

Just use half flaps and 3/4 power and keep the tail in the water.

It took a long run (But then, it always does) but it got off the water with no problem.

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RE: Great Planes Seawind - 10/1/2007 9:16:02 PM