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Aircraft Gyroscopes - 9/4/2005 9:17:57 PM   
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Hi,
I am trying to find out how exactly an aircraft gyroscope works, and so how it can be used to give info to the instruments, along with any limitations and so on.
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Robert.
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RE: Aircraft Gyroscopes - 9/5/2005 1:46:09 AM   
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Vacuum pumps are used to draw air across a bladed wheel to force it to rotate. Like a bicycle wheel, if you spin it in one plane it will stay in that rotation. If you attempt to rotate it to the side of the rotational axis, it will turn 90 degrees to the force applied. In A and P classes the instructor would take a new student and give him a bicycle wheel and spin it and tell the student to move the axle and the wheel would smack them in the face to all our enjoyment as he had done the same thing to us. There is an item called progression, which is a slight movement 90 degrees to the rotational axis. That is why when you learn to fly you are told to readjust the directional gyro every 15 minutes, as it will show a drift. Hope this helps.
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RE: Aircraft Gyroscopes - 9/5/2005 3:05:02 PM   
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Do you mean gyroscopic procession?

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RE: Aircraft Gyroscopes - 9/5/2005 3:25:47 PM   
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Thanks amtpdb!
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ORIGINAL: LearjetMech

Do you mean gyroscopic procession?



Eh, what is that?! I'm just trying to understand how everything works so if its relevant, I'd love an explanation.
Thanks!

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RE: Aircraft Gyroscopes - 9/6/2005 4:16:39 AM   
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AMT pretty much has it. Basically, the engine drives a vacuum pump which, as it's name implies, sucks air through tubing set up in the aircraft. The gyros have blades that catch the air and force it to turn. It's kinda like a paddle boat, the ones you pedal. If you get going real fast and then take your feet off of the pedals, they will still turn because of the water moving over the paddle wheel type drive they use. It's the same idea, only with air. As far as how it works goes:
If you've ever spun up a toy gyro or used a top, the property that they work on is evident. A top, even though spun slowly, will stay nearly vertical. If you spin it real fast it will hardly have any wobble at all. Spin it even faster in an aircraft ( the aircraft gyros can run up to 18,000 rpm), and it will stay perfectly vertical, at 90 degrees to gravity, which is down. If you ran a toy top on some cardboard, picked up the cardboard and tilted it slightly, it would still point straight down. If you tilted it at 45 degrees the top would still point straight down, but it wouldn't ever stay on the cardboard, so that demo won't really work. Knowing that a gyro will stay fixed in position allows you to do many things. In the aircraft world, if you fix an object to it ( like a compass card or a artificial airplane) and have it up against a scale, the gyro will remain relatively fixed in it's natural position, while the scale and the actual airplane move around it. This is why if you pitch up, the little artificial airplane will stay in one place(its attached to the airplane) while the scale (which in this case is a line that represents the horizon, as well as degree marks for bank and pitch) will move around it, because the airplane is no longer 90 degrees to the surface of the earth(gravity). When a force(including friction) acts on a gyro, the effect is felt 90 degrees from that force. It is that property and rigidity in space, which is what I just tried describing, that gyros operate on. The instruments in an aircraft which run on gyros are:

Artificial horizon
directional gyro (heading indicator)
Turn coordinator (usually electric and not vacuum, for redundancy)

If you don't know what they look like, just type those in a google image search and you will come up with them.

Precession causes very few errors in the artificial horizon, however because of the axis that the heading indicator works on, it does cause a slight drift in the heading. As amt said, the rule of thumb is to reset the heading indicator every 15 minutes.

Another limitation is tumbling. Tumbling is when the pitch and bank angles of the instrument are exceeded. It is usually 60 degrees of pitch and 100 degrees of bank. When this happens, the gyros will tumble to re align themselves with the axis they are supposed to be running on, which it is now easier to get to by flipping over. This causes extreme errors in the instruments before they spin up and realign themselves, however significant adjustment to the heading indicator may still be needed. Aerobatic planes have gyros which can be "caged", limiting thier travel and avoiding the issue. Tumbling gyros also tends to decrease thier lifespan.

Hope this helps

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RE: Aircraft Gyroscopes - 9/9/2005 10:03:52 AM   
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Here is some pics of an Artificial horizon we had apart at our workshop. There is a top and side pic. Also you can see the pic that shows the rotor. You can see the errection vanes on the bottom of the rotor housing that keep the rotor in a vertical orientation (actually about 1.5 degrees back tilt). I don't have much time at the moment to give an explanation of how it works but if you have any questions I'll be happy to answer them later.

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RE: Aircraft Gyroscopes - 9/10/2005 12:20:12 AM   
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Thanks, that answers alot. I had my theory last week and this helped me understand the gyro based instruments alot more.
But still, a few more q's.
1. How is the gyro connected to the instrument? Surely having linkages around it would effect its accuracy? Or is it just part of instrument error?
2. Would the air from the pump not be giving a force to one side of the gyro when it is blowing, and thus giving it a force which it would try to 'balance' out?
3. What physically happens to the gyro when it tumbles? And how does a caged one stop it tumbling?

Thanks! As I say this is helping alot!
Robert.

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RE: Aircraft Gyroscopes - 9/11/2005 2:13:25 PM   
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This stuff is only relatively new to me, but heres my understanding.

Q1. The gyro is connected to the "floating" or "free" part of the instrument remaining rigid in space, with the aircraft rotating around it. Of course there will be friction in the card to gyro linkages causing some instrument error, but this is minimised through quality design and contruction. Remember the gyro is quite heavy and spinning very fast, so its rigidity and precession forces will be far greater than mechanical linkage friction. Size of gryoscopic forces is proportional to gyro mass, diameter and rotational speed.

Q2. This force is in the plane of rotation, therefore no preccession is encountered.

Q3. The AH gimbals have freedom in 3 axes, but there is a physical limit on at least 1 axis. Modern instruments have 360deg freedom in roll, but are limited to +85deg in pitch. If the limit stop is reached during flight, a large force is applied to a gimbal, a rapid precession is caused and the gyro will "topple".

Caging simply refers to physically holding the gimbals in a neutral (90deg) position for aerobatic or other unusual attitude flight, so that the gyro can not hit a limit stop and topple. This reduces instrument damage and allows for quicker re-erection upon resumption of s&l.
Vaccum driven gyros can take around 10 min to re-errect after toppling, (the AH is and earth sensing gyro).
Upon returning to s&l the gyro is uncaged.

Hope this helps some.
Cameron.



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RE: Aircraft Gyroscopes - 9/15/2005 9:15:19 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: robert

Thanks, that answers alot. I had my theory last week and this helped me understand the gyro based instruments alot more.
But still, a few more q's.
1. How is the gyro connected to the instrument? Surely having linkages around it would effect its accuracy? Or is it just part of instrument error?
2. Would the air from the pump not be giving a force to one side of the gyro when it is blowing, and thus giving it a force which it would try to 'balance' out?
3. What physically happens to the gyro when it tumbles? And how does a caged one stop it tumbling?

Thanks! As I say this is helping alot!
Robert.


Q1
The gyro rotor is attached in the rotor housing by a shaft running through the rotor. On this there are two bearings that support the rotor. The Housing it held in place by bearings on pivot points for the roll and pitch axis. The linkage joining the housing to the card is generally a pin sliding in a slot on the side of the rotor. As the rotor moves back and forward the pin moves up and down in relation to the horizon bar causing it to lift and drop. These bearings are very high quality precession bearings and are easily damaged. In one of my gyro manuals it states that if a gyro is placed on a hard surface and one end is lifted 1/2 and inch and then dropped then the instrument is buggered and needs to be overhauled. Another manual states that if a gyro is placed on a hard surface such that you can hear the contact then the bearings will be damaged and need to be replaced. If you ever have a gyroscopic instrument out of your plane be very, very careful with it. 99.9% of gyro failures we see are from dirty air or being miss handled.

Q2
The air coming out of the gyro does effect how the rotor moves. It is directed to 4 ports on the bottom of the housing. One facing forward, one aft, one left and one right. In my side pic you can see the erection vanes hanging on the side of the rotor housing. When the rotor is level these will hang down and cover half the port on each side. When the rotor is not level I.E on startup then the vane will hang to one side uncovering one port and covering the port on the other side of the rotor. This jet of air is enough reaction force to precess the rotor back to level. This is happening all the time which is why there is no need to keep resetting the level on an AH.

Q3 Most AH's have 360 degrees of rotation in roll but are limited to about 80 something degrees in pitch. When this limit is reached the rotor will cause the gyro to rotate in roll. A tumbling AH will look like you are doing barrel rolls at the rate of about 3 a second.

This stuff is hard to explain in words but easy to show if I had a gyro to demonstrate. I hope this helps.

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RE: Aircraft Gyroscopes - 9/16/2005 4:28:38 PM   
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pull up gyros on google. All the gyro instruments have the gyro at a slightly different position to do what they need. Some are vac, some electric. Some mounted vertical, some horizontal, some at a slight anngle. They are fun to play with to figure them out. Jeppeson makes some great text on them in thei books.

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RE: Aircraft Gyroscopes - 9/23/2005 12:34:44 AM   
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And here are some shots of how they can fail. . .from a recent Oregon trip:

http://www.txsquadron.com/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=&TOPIC_ID=2233


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RE: Aircraft Gyroscopes - 10/19/2005 3:23:54 PM   
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hi. I registered today in the forum; work with instruments of aircraft and would like to learn more on girioscopios. can help .
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RE: Aircraft Gyroscopes - 12/7/2005 10:42:45 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: GRANT ED

Here is some pics of an Artificial horizon we had apart at our workshop. There is a top and side pic. Also you can see the pic that shows the rotor. You can see the errection vanes on the bottom of the rotor housing that keep the rotor in a vertical orientation (actually about 1.5 degrees back tilt). I don't have much time at the moment to give an explanation of how it works but if you have any questions I'll be happy to answer them later.


Do you know what that gyroscope was made of (the core piece, that is)?

Thanks!

EDIT:

Also, do you know why they use air propulsion instead of a normal motor?

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RE: Aircraft Gyroscopes - 12/9/2005 1:06:23 PM   
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