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Blown Away - 9/5/2005 1:03:11 PM   
zx32tt


 

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Status: offline 		I was completly blown away by a new student yesterday. I occasionally do flight instruction at Scobee Field in HoustonTX. Yesterday afternoon, a young man and his father showed up at the field with a trainer. The plane had 1 flight on it, along with the young man. Our 1st flight together was only his 2nd flight ever. To make a long story short, I had this guy solo in 1 afternoon. His dad tells me he has spent many hours on a G3 simulator. All this without aid of a buddy box, and I didn't have to grab the TX once. Granted, his landing was a little rough, but acceptable. If ever there was a natural, this kid is it.
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RE: Blown Away - 9/5/2005 2:16:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		We have had a few students like that at our field. One in particular came off the buddy box in three flights and was doing rolling circles a few weeks later.

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RE: Blown Away - 9/5/2005 2:36:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		He's not a natural, he learned it all on the sim. They are the best training aid since sliced bread and can improve your flying at any level and especially for a beginner .

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RE: Blown Away - 9/5/2005 2:47:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually...he probably is a naturall...

I was the same way...when i got my nexstar, i put it together, started it charging, installed the sim and started, the first flight I took off flew for a few minutes loops, rolls, etc....landed it perfectly...

I was dissapointed because i knew that flying cant be that easy....then my first flight on the buddy box, he took off...i flew around for a few...then it died so he landed it deadstick...

Back up again, I took off, flew around, and landed it...just like in the sim...and everyone around wouldnt belive that i had never flown...

I guess it really is the video-game generation that has the advantage....when your used to holding an XBox controller (similar if you think about it) and doing things without having to think about even moving your fingers...

Sadly, for me, Im not soloed yet, cause even though that was back in april, the only other flight ive got in on the nexstar was last weekend, new job, truck...etc...no time to fly, but im heading out today to the feild and im thinking ill be cleared...

Now, however, i do have proably 200+ hours on G3...from the nexstar to the aerobats and even some respectable 3D....

The sim does help though...it helps reinforce the controls into your brain and you think about them a whole lot less...

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RE: Blown Away - 9/5/2005 2:54:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've had the same experience, except in reverse.... Learned on r/c first, now working on xbox (Halo, Halo II). They are very similar, but I'm nowhere close to the skill on the video games(wrong generation).

I've had a couple of students that have picked it up amazingly quick(Like a week or two!) with the simulator/nexstar combination. Pretty cool.

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RE: Blown Away - 9/5/2005 2:59:14 PM   
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Actually...he probably is a naturall...

I was the same way...when i got my nexstar, i put it together, started it charging, installed the sim and started, the first flight I took off flew for a few minutes loops, rolls, etc....landed it perfectly...

I was dissapointed because i knew that flying cant be that easy....then my first flight on the buddy box, he took off...i flew around for a few...then it died so he landed it deadstick...


I was the same way, I learned without an instructor/buddy box, and without ever losing a plane due to dumb thumbs. I thought it was too easy and wondered what the challenge was. I had very little sim time, and that was fsm with a joystick, but what I did have was years of toy rc experience on the ground (control reversal not an issue) and countless hours of computer/nintendo growing up.

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RE: Blown Away - 9/5/2005 5:20:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have noted that generally those who have alot of sim time really pick up on flying. There is also the problem of guys getting nervous because they can fly just fine on the sim but they realize the at the field real $$$ is at stake. It is just something to get over.

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RE: Blown Away - 9/5/2005 5:22:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		The nerves are going to be there regardless, thats why the buddy box is still usefull....having someone with 20+ yrs of experince a half-second away just in case you mess up makes the nervousness go away untill you see that you really can fly this thing...

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RE: Blown Away - 9/5/2005 6:57:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		We have a guy at the field who went from a trainer to giant scale aerobats because of all the time he spent on the sim. The problem is he sucks, never learned throttle control, has destroyed countless planes (full speed on the down lines and has no idea what went wrong) and thinks he is a great pilot. I think the sim is great at the beginning and after you have some real world experiance but it does a diservice to your flying to skip right to aerobatics without relearning some basics with a real model. Unfortunately after the sim most people will get bored with flat turns and side slipping and want to go straight to 3D.

I learned to fly back before sims and without a buddy cord (I did play a lot of Pong on the Atari). It took about 8 flights of handing the TX back to dad when I lost it and after one landing I was solo. I did fly the crap out of that trainer and years later (when I learned what I didn't know) I got another trainer to practice basics with. As with most beginners in most things, you don't even know what it is that you don't know yet.

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RE: Blown Away - 9/5/2005 11:15:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: zx32tt

I was completly blown away by a new student yesterday. I occasionally do flight instruction at Scobee Field in HoustonTX. Yesterday afternoon, a young man and his father showed up at the field with a trainer. The plane had 1 flight on it, along with the young man. Our 1st flight together was only his 2nd flight ever. To make a long story short, I had this guy solo in 1 afternoon. His dad tells me he has spent many hours on a G3 simulator. All this without aid of a buddy box, and I didn't have to grab the TX once. Granted, his landing was a little rough, but acceptable. If ever there was a natural, this kid is it.
Z


Are you clearing this young fellow solo to fly among all the Scobee traffic after one day, or are you simply telling about his proficiency? Personally I would not like to be on a flight line with a solo person who just has had one day at the field. While physical aptitudes among today's youth are truly amazing, especially with simulator experience, there is little substitute for experience over a period of time to enhance the physically superior pilot's enrichment of safe and sane operations. (Actually some can never comprehend safe and sane flight.)
Here at Jetero, I have had about 5 of these guys. I will not clear anyone solo with less than 10 flights absolute minimum. They have to fly at least 2 flights with at least 3 other guys flying, and fly at least one day with North traffic versus the normal south traffic.

Anyway, they do learn fast.
BTW I belong to Bayou City also. Haven't been over there in over a year. At $3 per gallon for Diesel, I probably won't make it any time soon. Have a good whatever of your choice and keep 'em flying.

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RE: Blown Away - 9/6/2005 1:07:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		"At $3 per gallon for Diesel"......in a week or two, that might be a good deal Heck, isn't Texas the site of all those oil wells anyway?

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RE: Blown Away - 9/6/2005 1:54:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		No he is definately not cleared to fly on his own by any means. With so few flights under his belt, he simply is not aware of all the safety issues involved with flying R/C. Fortunatley, his father has had R/C experience some yrs ago and is aware of all the hazards involved. It will be very interesting to see how he progresses over the next few months.
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RE: Blown Away - 9/6/2005 4:00:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		If he doesn't get to solo when he thinks he is ready he may just move on to something that offers quicker gratification. At least that is according to a segment on 60 Minutes (I believe) that was about the children of the Baby Boomers and how everyone gets a trophy for participation and MTV and video games are shortening attention spans.

It's no surprise that based on the conclusions of that television segment that ARF's are so popular while individual creativity and long term goals are not, i.e. building from kits, plans or scratch.

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RE: Blown Away - 9/6/2005 4:20:35 AM   
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It's no surprise that based on the conclusions of that television segment that ARF's are so popular while individual creativity and long term goals are not, i.e. building from kits, plans or scratch.


Now thats kinda dumb to say... ARFs are popular because not everyone has the desire/time/skills to build. I personally like the idea of building...its sweet gratification...but Im not going to build every plane i fly...im in the hobby because i want to fly, not because i want to build...if i wanted to build all the time, i'd be a carpenter...

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