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RE: Club MAGNUM ! - 7/7/2008 9:00:06 AM   
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If it has good compression and will not run, then it must have an airleak or clog somewere. They only need compression, fuel and air to run.
I would like to take a closer look at your SC46, I have never seen a Magnum/SC/ASP that will not run if it is mechanically ok. Too bad we live at different sides of Tellus.

Have you tried new bearings??

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RE: Club MAGNUM ! - 7/7/2008 10:29:54 AM   
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Yes know that, but have sealed everything with silicone and replaced the carb with one from an engine working perfectly. Everything has been checked and rechecked, removed, cleaned, refitted, tightened, inspected you name it. Lots of guys in the club have tried to fix it. Will get it right, goes really well for the remaineder of the flying session, but next time out flying, same problems , out of tune again, and stuffing around for hours trying to get it right. It is particularly bad in the transition from full, high power, to a lower power setting, cutting out, just stopping. Nearly every landing was a deadstick!!!.Tried different fuels, with nitro without nitro, tried a variety of different glow plugs, all failing to solve the problem. I have not replaced the bearings, don't know if they are easily obtainable in NZ, the engine is nearly new anyway so they should be OK. The engine feels smooth to turn over. I brought the engine through an email auction so can't return it to the shop. A guy in a hobbie shop here told me that most SC engines are fine, a few can be difficult to tune, but then are fine, but a very few engines will just not run properly reasons unknown. I decided that I have one of those engines, wondering if some parts tolerances are at either end of the tolerance scale and the differences in size of components is just to great for the engine to run correctly. As the engine was run in the problems got worse.

Do you want me to mail you over the engine to play with and get going?????. It is of no use to me. Surface mail can't be that expensive to Norway, not much further than the UK

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RE: Club MAGNUM ! - 7/7/2008 10:44:28 AM   
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I would start with a change of bearings, a small airleak through the front bearing can make the engine behave like yours.
If you want to send it to me I will have a close look at it, I can also change the bearings for about only 10$ (rc-bearings.com) and if that fixes the problems you can have it back as I don`t have a use for a 46 engine myself. (I`m more into tuned 52 engines to get the most power from a 46 class engine).
Just send me a PM if you are interested.

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RE: Club MAGNUM ! - 7/7/2008 1:48:15 PM   
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Unfortunately, the experience with Magnum seems to be about 50-50: I've had two good 91s, a bad 91, and a not very good 15. I don't think Magnum's control of the piston/sleeve fit is very consistent. They are often too loose or so tight they're hard to start. I guess, if one intends to keep buying them, one has to be alert for either condition and send them back right away. Then, one is allowed to argue with their customer service. They sent my tight 91 (2 stroke) back saying it was ok. It was so tight the starter had a hard time with it, so I ran it until it blew up, then they replaced it. As long as there is no crash damage or rust, they seem pretty good about honoring the warranty.

Personally, I don't care for the uncertainty when that kind of money is being spent, so I'm buying OS exclusively.

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RE: Club MAGNUM ! - 7/7/2008 2:50:03 PM   
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thanks where do I get that plug

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RE: Club MAGNUM ! - 7/7/2008 3:36:26 PM   
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Personally, I don't care for the uncertainty when that kind of money is being spent, so I'm buying OS exclusively.



Which is no guarante of success either (and even more money is spent), for those who is updated on this forum

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RE: Club MAGNUM ! - 7/7/2008 5:55:00 PM   
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Try HobbyPeople, they are the Magnum and Thunderbolt reps.

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RE: Club MAGNUM ! - 7/7/2008 9:27:19 PM   
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thanks boss

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RE: Club MAGNUM ! - 7/8/2008 12:09:11 AM   
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I will second the 14x6 prop, but can't comment on the Thunderbolt plugs. I have two Magnum 91's running the 14x6's - one mounted sideways, one mounted inverted. Very nice engines... Just thought I would toss this out.

I'll have to try me one of those Thunderbolt plugs someday.

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RE: Club MAGNUM ! - 7/8/2008 1:35:37 AM   
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I still have the original Thunderbolt plug in my 91 four stroke, it's going on three years and its second airplane. (Great Planes DR-1, swinging a 15x5 prop.)

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RE: Club MAGNUM ! - 7/8/2008 4:45:36 PM   
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I think I may have a leak off some sort when I run the engine and settle it down to a idle It cuts off instantly unless I have the trim up to around 3200 rpm, so i took tank out no leak check the lines no leak I check I all of screws on the motor not loose only thing I can see that is questionable is the down tube for the carb that connect to the engine it has an O RING and dont know if this is sealing good, also when I do get it to idle at theat fast past if I clear it out (rav the motor up) when I bring it down she shuts right off now again I crank it and let it come down slow it only will idle at 3200 way to fast i think. now one more point I can let it idle at that fast rpm and push on the low speed neddle jet and it will slow down perfect and soon as I let it go It rev back to fast idle . I am in noway a engine guru and I do have a brand new sato 100 for the plane But I just dont like to give up on something just because the guys at my feild dont know what they are talking about. alittle help fellow mag owners

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RE: Club MAGNUM ! - 7/8/2008 6:55:45 PM   
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Maybe some small particle in the low speed needle, or it's way out of adjustment. From your description, it's lean, and pushing on the needle richens it up.

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RE: Club MAGNUM ! - 7/9/2008 4:23:59 AM   
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I think I may have a leak off some sort when I run the engine and settle it down to a idle It cuts off instantly unless I have the trim up to around 3200 rpm, so i took tank out no leak check the lines no leak I check I all of screws on the motor not loose only thing I can see that is questionable is the down tube for the carb that connect to the engine it has an O RING and dont know if this is sealing good, also when I do get it to idle at theat fast past if I clear it out (rav the motor up) when I bring it down she shuts right off now again I crank it and let it come down slow it only will idle at 3200 way to fast i think. now one more point I can let it idle at that fast rpm and push on the low speed neddle jet and it will slow down perfect and soon as I let it go It rev back to fast idle . I am in noway a engine guru and I do have a brand new sato 100 for the plane But I just dont like to give up on something just because the guys at my feild dont know what they are talking about. alittle help fellow mag owners

You can always send it to http://globalservices.globalhobby.com/ for a check out. I had a connecting rod break off of the crankshaft of a 91 four stroke, sent it in and they replaced the crankshaft and the piston. All it cost me was shipping to them which was about $7. They sent it back to me and included a glow plug and a test report of the idle and high end RPM. It took about three weeks total for the turn around.

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RE: Club MAGNUM ! - 7/9/2008 5:09:38 AM   
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Yes know that, but have sealed everything with silicone and replaced the carb with one from an engine working perfectly. Everything has been checked and rechecked, removed, cleaned, refitted, tightened, inspected you name it. Lots of guys in the club have tried to fix it. Will get it right, goes really well for the remaineder of the flying session, but next time out flying, same problems , out of tune again, and stuffing around for hours trying to get it right. It is particularly bad in the transition from full, high power, to a lower power setting, cutting out, just stopping. Nearly every landing was a deadstick!!!.Tried different fuels, with nitro without nitro, tried a variety of different glow plugs, all failing to solve the problem. I have not replaced the bearings, don't know if they are easily obtainable in NZ, the engine is nearly new anyway so they should be OK. The engine feels smooth to turn over. I brought the engine through an email auction so can't return it to the shop. A guy in a hobbie shop here told me that most SC engines are fine, a few can be difficult to tune, but then are fine, but a very few engines will just not run properly reasons unknown. I decided that I have one of those engines, wondering if some parts tolerances are at either end of the tolerance scale and the differences in size of components is just to great for the engine to run correctly. As the engine was run in the problems got worse.

Do you want me to mail you over the engine to play with and get going?????. It is of no use to me. Surface mail can't be that expensive to Norway, not much further than the UK






It sounds to me like this engine isn't broken-in sufficiently to fly, that's all.

Mount it up on a test stand that is at least one meter up off the ground and run it for a while at high throttle with the needle backed off from peak by several hundred rpm. Run it for several minutes, then shut it down and let it cool off for twenty minutes. Then repeat, repeat, repeat until you can notice a difference in how the engine is handling when starting and tuning. Don't run this engine in a four-stroke, but run it in a rich two-stroke. Resist the temptation to over prop it. Run the smallest prop in the manufacturer's recommended range until it has twenty tanks of fuel through it. It's a two-stroke (I hope!). Let it rev. And OF COURSE you're running fuel with some castor oil in it. Right?

My apologies if you're an experienced modeler that knows all of this already. Sometimes the wrong piston ends up with the wrong liner. People make mistakes, but many times they will learn to live together sufficiently to give you a usable engine. Best of luck to you.

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