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RE: Messerschmitt ME-109 - 9/10/2005 1:53 AM   
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To be honest, no one at the club JLEVIN flys at cares what he fly’s! Spitfire had a beautiful scaled out Focke-Wulf FW-190 from Giant Scale planes that he repainted and it looked GREAT. Another member had an awesome scratch built Focke-Wulf 190 that flew at Top Gun! The only problem with him bringing that plane to the field was everyone was drooling all over it before Top Gun. Both planes are now owned by other members. Another member is building a Pat McCurry 109.

Most of our flyers could care less what someone fly’s as long as they are safe. Nuff said.

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RE: Messerschmitt ME-109 - 9/10/2005 3:05 PM   
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Let's not rewrite history for politic correctness please.


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Hello everyone! After I wrecked my trainer due to a combination of direct sunlight and strong winds, a friend of mine showed me a ME-109 that he's selling. I love everything about the plane, but I'm afraid that if I'm seen flying it, people will think I'm some kind of neo-nazi. I can take the swastika off the vertical stab easy enough, but will everyone think I'm a complete jerk for flying what was essentially a German WWII plane?



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RE: Messerschmitt ME-109 - 9/10/2005 10:10 PM   
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Does anyone know where I can get a decent ME 109 in an ARF? Or if you know anyone that wants to sell theirs? I cannot find any German planes but the Stukas and I like the looks of the Messerschmitt.


I dont know if this is what you want but worth checking out just in case

http://www.skysharkrc.com/me109e.htm

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RE: Messerschmitt ME-109 - 9/10/2005 11:05 PM   
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I believe he was looking for an ARF. YT International is coming out with one next year.

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RE: Messerschmitt ME-109 - 9/10/2005 11:53 PM   
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yep I realise that , but the lack of arf's in this particular model might inspire someone to get a kit instead , I should have written, "I know this isnt exactly what your looking for", also I posted it in case someone else would be interested in getting a ME 109E ...

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RE: Messerschmitt ME-109 - 9/11/2005 8:58 AM   
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Does anyone know where I can get a decent ME 109 in an ARF? Or if you know anyone that wants to sell theirs? I cannot find any German planes but the Stukas and I like the looks of the Messerschmitt.


Perhaps tower hobbies got one? Im not sure

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RE: Messerschmitt ME-109 - 9/11/2005 2:41 PM   
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If you want historical accuracy on a BF-109 WITHOUT the swastika, there are several alternatives. Someone already mentioned the Israeli markings from the 1948 war on the Avia S199 (A BF-109 G with a Junkers Jumo engine built in Czechoslovakia on license). You can also use the "Condor Legion" markings from the Spanish Civil War, or markings from Hungarian units (I think other German-allied countries used it too, but I'm not certain)

For actual scale accuracy, watch the Avia. Because of the different engine, the cowling was larger and a few other things were different.

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RE: Messerschmitt ME-109 - 9/12/2005 12:22 AM   
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Just wanted to thank all you guys for the great advise... ohh wait,
maybe someone else should thank you also?





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RE: Messerschmitt ME-109 - 9/12/2005 8:40 AM   
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If you want historical accuracy on a BF-109 WITHOUT the swastika, there are several alternatives. . .


This is so lol. This really shows that the winner writes the history. If the axis had won the war, then "someone" would have feel bad about having a american mark on their model.
And just because the communists dident loose the war, its now OK to have a commi-star on clothes, for example. Actually, the communists have killed A LOT more inocent people the the nazis did during the ww2. (stalin and mao).

Yes, the nazis had concentration camps, but the allied forces also commit war crimes when bombing european civilian cities during the end of ww2. In my opinion, it seems like the allied forces was LESS cruel then the axis.

Get your swastika on your plane, the outcome of the war should not decide wheater you should have a model thats historical accurate or not.

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RE: Messerschmitt ME-109 - 9/12/2005 11:47 AM   
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Like I said, argued before. Why don't we close the thread now before it gets stupid ?

109 models are few and far between for many reasons,

One major reason is the tail unit when reduced in scale becomes very ineffective, it's just too small to start with. Designers try to cover this up by enlarging the tail, it then starts to loose it's scale appearence (Take that Graupner pic for example) Most early fighters (1936-40) had very small tails, idea being less drag, flew very fast but you will see that even the real ones had problems back there. The Spit is a great example, as she advanced from mark to mark, the tail got bigger and bigger. The 109 did this too, not as dramatic a change though, including airfoiling the vertical and rudder on ONE side to counter the engine torque.

Another is the ' unfriendliness ' of the landing gear arrangement, you RCU guys out there that whine about modern arf retracts and their mounting now, wait till you get an arf 109, they're gonna take a pounding. The key of course is to land properly.

Now as far as arf's, Graupner's and the old Kyosho are the only ones I recall, for those who think a glass fused kit is an arf, you can get the 1/4 scale PCM deal, pricey but a beautiful model when BUILT (Not assembled)

I have yet to see a pic of the YT deal, I assume KMP will distribute that here in the states. The Spit XIV was supposed to be along mid summer, guess it'll be a Christmas present this year.

Jlevin- Take your time advancing as I advised on your other post (I assume you are still following your post, you seem to post then never converse)

By the way Advent and DocD, we got the maiden flight on Bill C's Proctor Neiuport 28 yesterday, flew very well, a little climb problem, very similar to Gary's. The cool thing was the fact that you had to feed in down elevator to get the tail up (Here come the tail heavy post !) However, once the tail was up and flying, it stayed level, this is very much like flying the Stearman (Fullscale) after speed has increased, add a little up elevator and she's off. Throttle and wind caused more pitch up (the Proctor I understand has scale incidences and airfoils) but the elevator was saying balance was ok, not very touchy. Landing was straight forward, power on over the threshold, let the speed bleed off, cut power to a nice wheel landing, Great Fun !

Butler's Wild Hare flies spectacular too, very, very nice !

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RE: Messerschmitt ME-109 - 9/12/2005 3:16 PM   
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I was setting up when you flew Bills plane... It sure did look nice, Kieth said he got
some good photo's.

Mike said he loved the Hare... but I did not see it fly.

I'll get going with scale for my next kit.


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By the way Advent and DocD, we got the maiden flight on Bill C's Proctor Neiuport 28 yesterday, flew very well, a little climb problem, very similar to Gary's. The cool thing was the fact that you had to feed in down elevator to get the tail up (Here come the tail heavy post !) However, once the tail was up and flying, it stayed level, this is very much like flying the Stearman (Fullscale) after speed has increased, add a little up elevator and she's off. Throttle and wind caused more pitch up (the Proctor I understand has scale incidences and airfoils) but the elevator was saying balance was ok, not very touchy. Landing was straight forward, power on over the threshold, let the speed bleed off, cut power to a nice wheel landing, Great Fun !

Butler's Wild Hare flies spectacular too, very, very nice !

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RE: Messerschmitt ME-109 - 9/12/2005 3:39 PM   
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Guess this means that I need to get motivated to finish my Spacewalker and purchase the Hanger 9 or Top Flite P-47!!! I have saved a few dollars for this next project! Might have to sell that stupid twin I built and haven't flown . Man, I really do not want that thing anymore. What a waste of money.

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RE: Messerschmitt ME-109 - 9/13/2005 11:42 AM   
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Impulse always proves to be a burden

Funny how there are so many of us who would like to see TF come out with a Giant ARF P-47, Corsair or really wow us with a Giant Hellcat or Hurri. Why not TF ? How do you let our money go to H9 ? Though H9 hasn't got the 'Giant' thing down yet, they are at least blazing new grounds with all of their planes. I secretly hope someone in the club gets one, so I might get a crack at her !

Marketing & Development departments are always spending $$$$$ trying to find out what we want, it's right here on this site, yet it seems to fall on deaf ears/eyes. I don't go for the stuff on it's hard to get a plane produced, too many great planes out there now for that story, especially when powered by Tower.

Kelly: We anxiously await your scaler.......rule #1 No freakin' monykote !

Doc: That low wing Cub don't fit into this thread, get a warbird old chap ! No better place to start than with a Tbolt.

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RE: Messerschmitt ME-109 - 9/13/2005 12:39 PM   
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Thunderbolts !

Check out the mini bolt

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RE: Messerschmitt ME-109 - 9/13/2005 12:42 PM   
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Yeah this thread has gone to pot, not sure what happened to the original poster, guess he forgot.......


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