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Walkera Dragonfly 22E Inturder 3D CCPM -- Does ANYONE h... - 9/11/2005 4:59:30 PM   
X1705


 

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From: , WA, USA
Status: offline 		Hi, I just purchased the above mentioned RC/Heli, and would like to know what anyone/everyone thinks of it
(good,great/terrible, or just bad welcomed).. Likewise, if anyone kow what the closest 'DF22E_3D''s Competitor is?
I have seen tons of posts (here and other places), on the Dragonfly's #4, 22a, #35/36, #40, but hardly anything on this one.

I'm more interest in the 'all around' opinion of the bird, not the prices, (as I have already ordered it

ANY Experiences with this one is *truley appreciated.

Thanks in advance!

X1705
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RE: Walkera Dragonfly 22E Inturder 3D CCPM -- Does ANY... - 9/11/2005 5:03:19 PM   
X1705


 

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Status: offline 		oh, just in case, here is the link to this Bird, at the place I purchased it including 2 more extras for total of 171.00.

http://www.hobby4less.com/prod_heli_df22e.htm

thanks.

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RE: Walkera Dragonfly 22E Inturder 3D CCPM -- Does ANY... - 9/12/2005 4:56:32 PM   
BluMiniMe


 

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Status: offline 		With the hope that we can start building some 22E tips on one thread, I'm posting here... sorry to hijack your thread X1705!

Just bought a 22E and awaiting its arrival. In the meantime, I'm building a parts base. Want to find some woodie main blades or maybe ABS? fiberglass? carbon? for my 22E. What length? 225mm or 250mm? I also picked up a 3200rpm Walkera brushless motor, 30a controller, and a 1800mah li-po bat.

Thanks for suggestions! Chris

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RE: Walkera Dragonfly 22E Inturder 3D CCPM -- Does ANY... - 9/12/2005 5:23:15 PM   
X1705


 

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From: , WA, USA
Status: offline 		nonono, by all means, hijack away, hehe, at least there's a POST now! (ive been looking waiting for days

Heres what I just purchased last night: rc-expert.com, 177.99 (139.99+35/SH(7-10day)+3 Conv./Fin Charge)) should be here within a week so I hear. but i wont count on it.. besides that will give me one more week to research.

*Dragonfly 22E 6ch RC Helicopter 1
*Walkera 6 Ch. Receiver (72MHz, and set for MODE 2) 1
*Training Kit *Important* 1
Original Speed Mixer+Gyro Board 1
11.1V Li-polymer Battery Charger 1
11.1V 1300mAh Li-polymer Battery (max 8C) 1
+11.1V 1900mAh Li-ion Battery 1
CF Print PE Main Blade for DF22E 1
110V-220V 11.1V Lithium Battery Charger 1
1 Pair of Crystals
9g Mini Servo x 3
1 pair Carbon Fiber look pe main blade + 1 normal pe main blade
*English Manual
Color box

Extras:
Tail motor 1
Main Blades 1

http://www.rc-expert.com/product-package.php?pid=204

Right now I am practicing getting 'the feel of 3D/Inversion' on my macmini running a RC Heli FMS.
Later today heading out to my local hobby-shop, where they have a good* (RealFlightG3(?)), thing is Awsome, but its $200, maybe in a few months..

should be interesting, this bird, (the DF22E), as its hard to go by the 'consistency of Walkera', just becasue it has a letter passed that of a previous version dosen't necessarily mean its an 'upgrade' <-- from 'our/consumers' POV.

22A vs 22D (totally* different Birds to handle, so I hear , curious to see where this 22E falls into, good setup imo.

Cheers.
Ex-X1705 <-- cause I was HiJacked by BlueMiniMe!

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RE: Walkera Dragonfly 22E Inturder 3D CCPM -- Does ANY... - 9/12/2005 5:31:17 PM   
X1705


 

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Status: offline 		BlueMiniMe, when you have time, I would like to hear about the pros/cons of Brush & Brushless, (obvious brush is the lesser, and more dangerous in some cases I hear (autostarting? , anyways, nothing to take to much of your time, as I have done A lot of reading on these (rc_Heli's), and Dragonfly's in particular, and am trying to find the differnce/quality ADVANTAGES of these 'upgrades' most people want/get. (motors stock vs. etc), etc. . batteries are always nice to know more about, especially sine Ive heard the horror of 'unattended' Li-poly's, I'm taking EVERY precaucion that I can with these things, litterally, Im printing this material in the Forums out and highlighting left & right.. thanks to evryone* here, I know I will at least add *some more lifespan of my new FLying hobby.. and probably be save a lot of wasted money in the process from reading all these threads even if they arent 'specificly' 22E.

cheers once again,
im otta here..
X1705

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RE: Walkera Dragonfly 22E Inturder 3D CCPM -- Does ANY... - 9/12/2005 8:53:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Found a source for much better tail motors! www.jameco.com

Once I can examine the tail motor of my in shipment 22e, I'm certain I will find a sturdy replacement here. Found some white papers on the N-20 motors... they are only rated to 3vdc and believe the N-30s are only rated to 6vdc. Its no damn wonder they keep burning up! Especially when running lipos.

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RE: Walkera Dragonfly 22E Inturder 3D CCPM -- Does ANY... - 9/22/2005 2:43:56 PM   
BluMiniMe


 

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Status: offline 		Received my 22E yesterday. No problems noted, except with Xmitter. The fargin' gymble springs, and attachments were loose and rattling around inside. Took it apart and put it back together-- all's well.

The included "Li-ion" batt charger seems to work fine on my 1300mah Li-po. After about 50 min of watching it closely, the LED changed from red to green.

Started going over the entire bird checking adjustments, bindings, balance, etc. I notice that I can't get enough + collective so I play with the linkages and either wind up with too much, or not enough. Servo travel just isn't enough to get me - and + collective. Switch on DIP #8 turn up the left side knob, servo travel increases by at least 100%. After getting the travel I want, with near zero collective just below 1/2 throttle, I switch off #8 DIP. Knob does nothing now. Couldn't quite figure out what the right side knob is doing. It had no effect until it reached its max clockwise position, then would throw the servos into what looked like a hard left cyclic turn? whoa... none of that! Put that knob back where it was and I'm not playing with it.

Haven't even tried to hover or fly yet. I'm doing all these adjustments, and learning my way around a heli rotorhead, with the motors disconnected... just playing with servo adjustments and linkages at this point.

Here's where I'm bumming. While incrementally removing linkages to get level swashplate & travel I want, one of the darn ball-links breaks off the swashplate! That plastic on this bird is really flimsy. I was being very careful too.

Got ticked, and did something the spouse ain't gonna like. Bought Helihobby's entire SuperHead assembly-- the one for the Hornet/Hornet 2. You know the all aluminum one. WAY too much! More than this bird costs, I know. But darn it, how can one expect to fly something as twitchy as a Micro Heli without good working components? After looking at many, many photos from all over the web, I've concluded that the 22E is a VERY close knockoff of the Hornets.

Sometime soon, I'm going to look for a true 12VDC motor (see my link in above post) to use in the tail. Tore apart an old CD-ROM drive, and there is a near N30ish size high torque 9VDC motor inside. There is also a very shallow brushless motor as well... but I don't think it will have the torque needed to do the job.

.... to be continued....

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RE: Walkera Dragonfly 22E Inturder 3D CCPM -- Does ANY... - 9/26/2005 10:37:10 PM   
thecheatscalc



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Status: offline 		no it won't so go to http://www.engconcepts.net/List_Of_Ring_Magnets.asp ok search through the magnets and find the N50 5x5x1mm ones now take those (12) and put them evenly around the inside of the motor on the disk drive N/S/N/S and so on using a stainless steel plyers for help as these are the strongest magnets avalable. (one of these can hold up around 10 sheets of paper, bet your fride magnets can't do that) then just CA them in place, next take a 32 gauge wire and wrap it about I think it was 50 wraps each, it was 30, 40, 50, or 60 wraps (this was in a magizine which I can't find at the moment but I know I have most of the details right it was RCU... ) in any case you should wrap it around a pole then skip 2 poles then wrap it again, skip, and wrap. Wraping with a single wire on 3 poles making 3 wire (all wraped in same direction) the take these 6 ends, from here I'm not sure how you get these wires on an esc but I think it's done by putting the + of the first on the - of the second and the +of the second on the - of the third and the + of the third on the - of the first having 3 contacts which go on the three contacts of the esc. you'll have to play with it from there but I hear that this thing works (it's an outrunner) great on 6-8 inch props direct drive which I think fits the bill for the tail rotor. sound good? good.

PS: you can get spare disk drive motors for this from broken disk drives at computer repair shops. the bigger the better. (I also hear hard drive motors work great because of their larger size but the one I have is 13 poles and I have no clue of the wiring diagram for that. hopeyou enjoy
thecheat

PSS: these magnets (I ordered wrong and got 4x5x2 ones (yes I still ordered the right ones) but they are invaluable for keeping screws inplace, or find your own uses like for the frige, or for killing yor brushed motors creamic magnets (I think that's what I did making it too weak) or you could get a different size and super charge your brushed motors power and torque.

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RE: Walkera Dragonfly 22E Inturder 3D CCPM -- Does ANY... - 9/26/2005 10:50:25 PM   
X1705


 

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Status: offline 		BlueMinMe, hey i just got my 22e in too, 5 days or so ago, I have one of , well two now.. ehhe, those ball shafts break apart from the 'main blade holder', i makeshifted a screw throew thr bottom half (as they screw apart mid-section), and its wokgin good*, not preferreed, just untill i find a decent replacment. . .

I will have to get bak to ya, in the missle of soemthing, but might be a good idea to collaborate.

cheers
x1705

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RE: Walkera Dragonfly 22E Inturder 3D CCPM -- Does ANY... - 9/27/2005 1:03:52 AM   
X1705


 

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Status: offline 		ok, BlueMinMe, my results so far is that my 1900mAh Li-ion takes almost exactly 1 hour 15 minutes to charge, stays ambient temp 100%, even even 'testing'(gliding) my bird, so thats cool. I 'think' you can use the cahrger to see if the battery is charged by not plugging it in the wall, and justplug the batt in, the LED should go GREEN. (good). . not that it would mean it's *full* or anything, just that there's still a charge left in it, ***I am no expert on these, rather REAL new to lipo/li-ions*** just fyi

After getting the travel I want, with near zero collective just below 1/2 throttle, I switch off #8 DIP. Knob does nothing now. .
(i dont know if this helps/follows, but i am trying to learn what all is about the PLT and PZT knobs your talking about as well)

When switch#8 is OFF, your suppose to make both your Knob setting/adjustments to your feel.. when done, switch#8 back ON(or LOCK)
when #8 is in LOCK/ON position, it disables the knobs completely, thus keeping from any changes while in flight,etc.

I am curious as to the 'proper' setting of these DIP's, I noticed one of mine was put in ACRO/(airplane) mode, which explains wth the thing was trying to Taxi like.. heh(after two mini-crashes i figure this out, broke both my MainBlade Holders, and each "Short Ball Swivel"

anyways, here are my setting on back of the TX:

1:OFF (Elevation)
2:ON (Aile) <-- ?
3:OFF (Throttle)
4:ON (Rudder)
5:OFF (Heli/Acro) (set in the 'Heli' position)
6:OFF (Tail C) <-- ?
7:OFF (CCPM/Normal) (set in the CCPM positon)
8:ON (PLT/PZT) UNLOCK/LOCK) (set in the LOCK position)
9:ON (PIT)
0:OFF (Gear) (empty: operates the Switch on my Left Top of TX?)

ok, I hope this helps, and I hope I can get some help with udnerstanding what each of these do better.. ?
Mainly what is TAIL_C (Tail control?), and if Heli is in same position it is controled via Heli?)

should THROTTLE(#3) be off? does that prevent it from hitting "full" upon startup? (no biggie, so long as i get them set right for now

And now, thanks BlueMinMe, I am starting to grasp just HOW to use the PLT and PZT knobs to 'trim' the bird . . I can only assume it wasn't tested/configured prior to shipping, although it seems to be working the way it's set up to. Now I just need to set it for Heli.

I guess, so noone wastes there time, I'll ask it this way, so as I can understand better..

When i turn the PLT knob to the "-"(negative pitch?) what should that accomplish? the TILT degree of the Blades? \ / like?

and when i turn the PZT knob to "+"(positive pitch SIZE?), what should that accomplish?

sorry, this may seem elementary, but i just can't get it from what Ive been reading about.. &)

All i really know is that PLT = Pitch Length Tilt, and PZT = Pitch siZe Tilt? does that make sense?

sorry but the manual is in severe "engrish" especially on the PitchData Page(-9-), ie; "..or may be the lamina nip or make the part of the lamina nip are laid back you only need to adjust careful.... come'again?? hehe

Heres something I think I can use: it has a 'square chart' showing the PitchData (thank god for pictures eh!):

Throttle Stick | Throttle fixed supposidly | Pitch adjustice supposidly
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
100% | 100% | +9o - +11o (degrees)
50% | 65% | +6o - +7o (degrees)
0% | 0% | 0o (degrees)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

that kinda gives me an idea. . ?
I would adjust the knobs to show between the +9 - +11 for 100% throttle stick to produce 100% throttle(thrust)?
and between +6o - +7o for 50% throttle stick to prodice 65% throtle (thrust)?
for 0% (throttle all the way Down) to give 0% throttle_thrust, knobs get set stright-up at "0o degrees" (middle | )

Is that close?

heh, this bird really show s alot* of potential, and is worth getting to know first off, Ive already made a (somewhat) makeshift repair becasue of not having/knowing how to check this stuff, but it's all for the better.. live, learn, and pass-it-on. i guess.

Ok, well thanks again for your time and patients, truly appreciate it!

Cheers,
X1705

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RE: Walkera Dragonfly 22E Inturder 3D CCPM -- Does ANY... - 9/30/2005 10:38:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		OMG, the new all alum rotorhead makes all the diff in the world. I can actually hover! This bird is really skittish in ground effect. Get it up to about 3 ft high and she really settles down. Just don't pull the throttle back hard as the cyclic will go negative pitch and slam yer baby into the dirt. Just pull it back gently so she'll settle easy. 4 pairs of blades, and 3 boom strikes to learn that little lesson.

More later. At work and boss is coming....

that $229 rotorhead ain't worth the $$ though. Should have bought a TRex or X400 for that $$. BTW Walkera just released a new bird... the 39 which is a TRex clone.

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RE: Walkera Dragonfly 22E Inturder 3D CCPM -- Does ANY... - 10/31/2005 3:53:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BluMiniMe

Just don't pull the throttle back hard as the cyclic will go negative pitch and slam yer baby into the dirt. Just pull it back gently so she'll settle easy. 4 pairs of blades, and 3 boom strikes to learn that little lesson.




It seems I have just learned the same lesson. Ouch. Is there any way to adjust that out so that it won't slam in to the ground. I can't seem to keep from doing that when I get scared....which is almost every time it leaves the ground. Also, I have successfully super glued those ball connectors back on and they seem to hold fine until my next crash.

Also, X1705, I purchased my 22e from hobby4less as well. I have had zero luck getting them to return my emails, and they did not include the training kit as advertised. How has your luck been with them?

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RE: Walkera Dragonfly 22E Inturder 3D CCPM -- Does ANY... - 10/31/2005 4:08:26 PM   
bluesky123


 

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Status: offline 		BTW, you can aslo get a USB interface for Walkera 6ch transmitters from www.milehighwings.com.
Works great, doesn't require any drivers, is supported by many simulators:
http://www.milehighwings.com/sim_compatibility.htm

Boris

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