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RE: GTM Hanriot Build - 10/19/2005 2:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Cleaned up the workbench a little today, and thought I'd begin on the cabane installation. The instructions mention that you should not try this if you are having a "bad day"!! So far it is not that stressful, but it does involve a little grinding of teeth. As always the fit is great. I just followed the instructions and took it one step at a time and before I knew it the job was (nearly) done. I had a long 1/8" drill bit so after drilling the first hole from the inside with a pin vise, it was an simple matter to use the long bit to drill the opposite side. Just could not resist hanging the top wings on for a test fit.

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RE: GTM Hanriot Build - 10/19/2005 3:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Looks good sitting there like that. The cabanes don't look to awfull bad to do if you're just a little patient?

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RE: GTM Hanriot Build - 10/19/2005 4:41 AM   
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No, the cabanes don't seem to be bad at all. After setting them up and before drilling I checked the incidence of the alignment rib and it was right at plus 3 degrees, exactly as Glenn said it should be..I think the stress will come when the "one chance to get it right" time comes and you drill through the root ribs and the brass retaining tube and rod all in one shot with the whole thing assembled....and you have to do it twice for each panel. The ribs are laser marked to align the drill, but you still only get one good shot at it. I may pre-drill the wing roots on the drill press and that should help. We'll see! So far all the things that appeared might be difficult at first glance have worked out real well...

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RE: GTM Hanriot Build - 10/19/2005 3:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Randy seems to me that if you are a little off with the tubes you can always enlarge the hole a bit and then reposition the tube with balsa bracing? But the way it looks I think you should not have a problem.

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RE: GTM Hanriot Build - 10/19/2005 4:04 PM   
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I think it will be fine. I'm going to get a new drill bit though, one that is sharp so it won't wander around while drilling!

I'll be gone for a couple days so it will have to wait till the weekend....


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RE: GTM Hanriot Build - 10/19/2005 6:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Randy, there is a drill called a pilot drill (I think that's the name). Its designed with a very small drill section on the front. This section helps keep the drill from wandering. You may look for one, just a suggestion.

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RE: GTM Hanriot Build - 10/19/2005 6:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thought you might like to see these pictures. A friend and I built this static model Hanriot (15 foot span) for a WWI museum in Alabama. The first pict. shows me with it before the wings and fuse. were covered. #2 shows Al with the completed model the day we assembled it at the museum. If you look close in the background, you can see a full scale DR I replica (flyable). #3 shoes a rear quarter view and in the hanger behind it is a full scale Sopwith Triplane (flyable).

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RE: GTM Hanriot Build - 10/23/2005 12:41 AM   
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Found some brad-point bits which have the small point for precise drilling....but the smallest I can find is an 1/8th and the holes need to be 3/32". Wouldn't you know it! I'll try a couple more store and then I'm going to start drilling. Looks as though the drill press will work fine for the initial drilling...

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RE: GTM Hanriot Build - 10/23/2005 12:44 AM   
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That truly is a large Hanriot ! I had never heard of the Hanriot till I found the kit by Glenn Torrance. You and others seem to have been aware of it for quite a while. Is that a Belgian paint scheme? Is it modeled after a particular airplane? Wouldn't it look great in the air?!!

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RE: GTM Hanriot Build - 10/23/2005 4:07 AM   
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The plane was modeled after Willy Coppens plane. It would be nice to have one that size to fly, but you would have to go overseas to fly it.

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RE: GTM Hanriot Build - 10/23/2005 5:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Randy, sorry to hear bout the drill issue. Of cours they don't have what you NEED lol!! But I fear not.. you'll do just fine.

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RE: GTM Hanriot Build - 10/23/2005 5:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Lots of progress today. Finally got over the drilling thing. Drove around trying to find a 3/32 brad-point or pilot point drill, but one was not to be had. I bought several new 3/32 bits though, I would definitely recommend using new bits to minimize the bit wandering while drilling. Glenn provides laser cut marks so center on the root rib holes is provided. After marking the hole locations I started the holes with a pin vise, and then aligned the drill press. When it all looked good the wing was slid under the bit and away I went. Turned out fine as the picture shows. After assembling the top wings onto the cabane, I used the holes made on the press to help align the final drilling which goes through the brass rod which actually connects the two wings. I put a short piece of fuel tubing on the drill bit so when it pushed out the bottom the tubing would absorb the impact and I wouldn't bash the top of the rib with the electric drill. Next comes the outer cabanes....

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RE: GTM Hanriot Build - 10/23/2005 6:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		The outer cabanes are straight forward. With the upper wing still attached with the newly installed brass rods and screws, you brace the wing to provide the correct dihedral angle. My bench is too small to allow me to assemble the wings and measure near the tips as Glenn suggests, so I set up the fuselage with one panel attached, measured it as per the instructions, then made some measurements closer to the wing root that I then could use when both wings were attached, giving the same final result. the first picture shows the clevis and threaded rod assemblies in place. The tape is to contain the J-B weld. Each cabane is then stuffed with a bit of cotton, nearly filled with J-B weld, then assembled over the clevis/rod arrangement and left to set up. After much re-measuring and checking, I left it to cure till morning.....The last picture is of my neglected looking Sopwith Strutter hanging from the ceiling, note the similar cabane strut arrangement with the Hanriot . I think I mentioned before that the Hanriot factory had been build ing Strutters under license from Sopwith before the HD-1 came along....

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RE: GTM Hanriot Build - 10/23/2005 8:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Looks really good Randy. That central cabane attachment looks good, maybe easier than the traditional 4 point attachment?

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RE: GTM Hanriot Build - 10/23/2005 9:34 PM   
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It went together really well. The nice thing is that the incidence is set with the center cabanes, and then once the dihedral is measured and set it is held in place with the clevis/bolt arrangement and J-B weld by the outer cabanes, which are easily adjusted before the JB sets, so there isn't that endless assemble-measure-disassemble-adjust-reassemble process. I bolted the outer cabanes on once, made a small length adjustment to the front pair, then loaded them with JB, assembled and let it sit overnight. Great result!

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RE: GTM Hanriot Build - 10/24/2005 5:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Removed the upper wings today and went through the same attachment process with the lower wings. Breezed right through this time. Seems I often spend twice the time thinking about how to do something that it actually takes to do it....took another shot of the drilling results. This is the short rod that connects the upper wing halves, there is one at each spar location. There is a bolt that passes through the rib and through this rod to secure the wing half. Next are the interplane struts. This is one of those fit-trim-fit -trim again-fit again processes. Took a while but the other side will go more quickly.
One more set of struts then it'll be time for the landing gear.....

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RE: GTM Hanriot Build - 10/24/2005 3:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nice Randy. Does the plane use Bungee for shocks?

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RE: GTM Hanriot Build - 10/24/2005 3:24 PM   
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Yes, the gear looks and works like the full scale. I bought a pair of the Dubro 7" vintage wheels that look just fine. Will have to cover them with fabric though, but that in't too tough.

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RE: GTM Hanriot Build - 10/24/2005 4:27 PM   
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RE: GTM Hanriot Build - 10/26/2005 1:02 AM   
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Seems I often spend twice the time thinking about how to do something that it actually takes to do it....


Nothing wrong with that!

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RE: GTM Hanriot Build - 10/26/2005 4:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		The reflective insulation on my garage door makes an incredibly poor back-drop....so i opened the door thinking the darkness would make a nice contrast, but of course the cars are there....the first pic sorta shows just how short the nose is....

Got the final two interplane struts set up and temporarily installed, wheels are next!!

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RE: GTM Hanriot Build - 10/27/2005 1:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Randy, looks good even n the dark !!.. short nose? lol that's an understatement!

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RE: GTM Hanriot Build - 10/27/2005 3:19 AM   
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RE: GTM Hanriot Build - 10/27/2005 4:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		I suffered plenty on some other kits that I've built! I'm continously surprised at how well this kit goes together. When I first read a particular instruction I'm left with a lot of ??? questions, but when the parts are laid on the plans it all just seems to work!

Nearly finished one side of the landing gear today. First I took one of the laser cut angle brackets and used it as a pattern to drill some holes in a pine board. Then using rods the same diameter as the screws that would eventually be used I pinned all the parts to the board through the brackets and landing gear legs, to hold them in place while the brass assembly on the bottom of the legs was J-B welded in place. The tubes are filled with J-B up to about the top of the angle bracket, and the little rods sticking out the bottom extend into the tubes about 5/8", and the J-B holds it all together. Won't be able to get to the other gear leg till next week....

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RE: GTM Hanriot Build - 10/27/2005 7:03 AM   
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