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RE: Air Hogs Aero Ace! - 1/17/2006 9:18 PM   
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RE: Air Hogs Aero Ace! - 1/17/2006 11:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		i'm not trying to ruffle any feathers here, but were all here to help eachother. you had a question, we tried to answere it. if the answeres dont suit your needs, there's no need to get all worked up. i've owned the XTwins/AA since august, so i'm fairly familiar with them (and am aware of what a glitch is).

you said you used brand new batteries, and have tried holding the TX and plane in every which way, but it still happens. so, maybe as i said, its just part of the plane (its not a glitch, really). as others have said, its only a 30 dollar plane, and for 30 dollars you get one heck of a deal (a charger alone can cost you more), so i personally count my blessings. enjoy what you get

on another note, i'm thinking about trying to make an LRF out of the electronics. i can get the RX down to .9 grams, maybe less if i replace some of the electronic components. if i were to use a geared 4mm motor and an actuator, with a 30mah lipo, i could techincally have an AUW of 4 or 5 grams. thats certainly a low enough weight for LRF territory, and with a big enough wing, it could be pretty slow too.

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RE: Air Hogs Aero Ace! - 1/17/2006 11:38 PM   
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RE: Air Hogs Aero Ace! - 1/17/2006 11:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nick, what's LRF...Living Room Flyer?

I had my AA out just awhile ago in the dark...yeah, I'm an official Aero Ace junkie...AeroAces Anonymous, "Hi, I'm Jim, and I'm an Aceoholic..."

I used the light from the night lantern up at the outside roof of the barn, and what little skylight there was left...bounced it off the barn a couple times...and it kept flying...ditto in a tree...fished it out of a bush more than once...dang, hard to see it in the dark...LEDs, here I come. But I'm getting proficient enough with it that I can keep it in a pretty small diameter flying around me at head height...figure 8s...hopping over snowmounds...flying around the cars (landed on the roof of the car once)...under a chair once! (that wasn't planned) and just pick it up, make a DLG lazy launch with it, and off she goes.

So much fun. Ive added double sided tape because the motors keep popping out when I beak on landing...they're digging into the bottom wing EPP...I'll have to make that mod soon...I thought I'd bring the wings up but move them back maybe 3/4" to move the center of pressure back, help balance it better.

I haven't split the fuse and moved the battery yet, it flies pretty darn stable just with two large T-pins pushed into the nose, and performance is still good enough to fly it out of range over my head...but because the engine quits when it goes out of range, Ijust wait it out, it gets closer, I hit the throttle again and off we go.

And he had fun fun fun till Mommy took his AA awaaaaaaaaaaay.....!

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RE: Air Hogs Aero Ace! - 1/18/2006 12:54 AM   
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RE: Air Hogs Aero Ace! - 1/18/2006 6:12 AM   
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RE: Air Hogs Aero Ace! - 1/18/2006 9:45 AM   
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Great thread!

I'm 60 years old, but after reading through all the posts, I felt like a kid again and ran out and bought a couple (the local Target had 4, all the same freq). I bought 2, left 2 others for the rest of you.

Charged it, gave it a light toss, the little sucker climbs like a bat out of hell. No problem climbing, I flew it in my back yard, which is about 80 feet long and 40 feet wide, with 100 foot trees on two sides, 40 foot trees and a barn on the third, houses and more trees on the fourth. But no sweat keeping it in the yard...I even whacked it into the high branches a few times...it fluttered down, hit a few branches, I hit the throttle and it flew away just fine. Yahoo!

It does have a tight left turn...No amount of tweaking has fixed that yet...But I'll try the engine repositioning, maybe that will help. Maybe just built in to the plane too, who can say? I noticed lots of other posts, all said left turn tendency. It's so small, hard to check the surfaces accurately...especially with my eyes. TX trim wheel seemed to work for about 30 seconds, now does nothing so I quit trying.

Mostly I just power up, hold right rudder when I want to fly straight (hard to get much of a right turn at all) but it has such a small turning radius it's easy to keep it in the field. REally cute, really fun.

But everybody who praised this little beauty is right: it's a pure kick to fly and I love it. Can't wait for sunrise to go out and do some more tree skimming.


skypix,
I am going to ramble on on this reply...

I had bought my first AA at Toys 'R Us at the beginning of December, and it had the left-turn problem (motor mismatch or electronics problem, I don't know.)
I returned the one back to TRU as defective (the TRU no longer has a space on the shelf for AA's) and got one from E-Bay, and it works fine. After that, I found two at a local Wal-mart (only one of the three local Wal-marts carries the Aero Aces- I bought the two remainin units and they work fine. The new ones seem to be from a different production run-the instructions are different (new rev. (El-1136a, as apposed to El-1136) and bigger piece of paper.) The left-right control stick also has a much stronger spring (harder to push- still OK.)

It appears that the new manual/pamphlet El-1136a fails to mention what the aluminum tape is for (holding the elevators or rudder in place for trimming flight.)

The price they were charging at the Wal-mart by me is now $39-something, an increase of $10.) Of course, I may have bought the last of the inventory that they will have for awhile.

Note that none of the places that people normally find AA's (TRU, Wal-mart, Target) will admit that they exist (does not show up on their web sites.) Perhaps because of the temporary discontinuation while they make changes to the design, mentioned earlier in this thread.

Regarding the throttle- it seems to me that there are about 8 levels of thrust selectable from the throttle stick (proportional), but that left-right is only left-neutral-right. Does that seem correct to everyone?

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RE: Air Hogs Aero Ace! - 1/18/2006 1:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Gantry, I've got a couple hours under my belt now with both my AAs and here's my update:

I have the newer ones, because there was no mention in my instructions either of the silver tabs. That clears up that mystery...different versions.

I have found that both of them do indeed respond to the trim pot on the TX...but as someone astutely noted a ways back in the thread, all the way right (I haven't tried left) seems to make it worse...so backing off slightly from full right works fine. They pretty much both fly level now, with a slight turn built into the rudder to ensure a power-off turning descent, but not enough to make for much drag.

I've kept fiddling with mine, moving motor mount angles (somebody's suggestion to align the props with the trailing edge seems to stabilize things), bending tail feathers, adding two large t-pins pushed into the nose, parallel with the longitude of the fuselage, takes a lot of the porpoising out of the flight.

I think you're probably right about the all/nothing left/right thing...it's been breezy every time I've flown it lately so my AAs are getting bobbed around a bit and I can't tell about the nuances...but that seems right.

Next I want to add to the wing span, move the battery forward, but mostly just take them out and have a little backyard fun whenever I can.

Also, my local Target had them at $29, and these are the new ones...engines definitely quit 1 or 2 secs after TX range is lost.

Thanks for your thoughts.

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RE: Air Hogs Aero Ace! - 1/18/2006 7:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well I finally got the chance to take my AA out with NO wind in an open area next to my house and I have to say that this little plane is really a blast. I still have both wings attached and all I've done is add a 1/2" screw to the nose and it flies perfect. It flies straight and responds to both left and right great and turns really quick. At low throttle it flies perfectly flat and if I want it to climb I just give it a little throttle. It's great flying at low throttle because the battery lasts a long time. Best $30 ever.

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RE: Air Hogs Aero Ace! - 1/18/2006 8:22 PM   
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Best $30 ever.


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RE: Air Hogs Aero Ace! - 1/18/2006 11:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		My first AA was the Red B channel flys great controls great still as a mono plane was surprised how well a 2 channel could be controlled .
I enjoyed it so well I got a 2nd plane blue channel A didn't work at all took it back got another chanel A black took off the lower wing it has bad tendencies . It wants to turn left when throttle down not in sync with transmitter dosn't throtle down etc as explained here . I got the chanel B at TRU the chanel A Target . I don't know if the channel or where you get it matters but post what channel you have where you got it and how it flys to help others in case it matters .

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RE: Air Hogs Aero Ace! - 1/18/2006 11:30 PM   
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RE: Air Hogs Aero Ace! - 1/19/2006 7:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		You can find Aero Ace's online @ aeroacemods.com . Finally, I don't have to hope they are at TOYS R US anymore. Frankly, I am tired of calling toys r us to ask if they have any in stock.. just to hear.. "Aero Ace..hmmm... that is not in our system". So I went in to Toys R Out the other day to see if the had any, and this dude is walking out with 6 of them. I get back to the shelf and all they had was those stupid stealth bomber planes that don't fly for crap. I bought one on the website 3 days ago and got it already, so am pretty stoked. Is it just me or, are these things kind of adicting?

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RE: Air Hogs Aero Ace! - 1/19/2006 11:25 AM   
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You can find Aero Ace's online @ aeroacemods.com . Finally, I don't have to hope they are at TOYS R US anymore. Frankly, I am tired of calling toys r us to ask if they have any in stock.. just to hear.. "Aero Ace..hmmm... that is not in our system". So I went in to Toys R Out the other day to see if the had any, and this dude is walking out with 6 of them. I get back to the shelf and all they had was those stupid stealth bomber planes that don't fly for crap. I bought one on the website 3 days ago and got it already, so am pretty stoked. Is it just me or, are these things kind of adicting?



Yup, they're addicting! Thanks for the link too!

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RE: Air Hogs Aero Ace! - 1/19/2006 3:47 PM   
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You can find Aero Ace's online @ aeroacemods.com . Finally, I don't have to hope they are at TOYS R US anymore. Frankly, I am tired of calling toys r us to ask if they have any in stock.. just to hear.. "Aero Ace..hmmm... that is not in our system". So I went in to Toys R Out the other day to see if the had any, and this dude is walking out with 6 of them. I get back to the shelf and all they had was those stupid stealth bomber planes that don't fly for crap. I bought one on the website 3 days ago and got it already, so am pretty stoked. Is it just me or, are these things kind of adicting?


I am pretty confused. You said that you ordered one from the website (I am assuming aeroacemods.com) and you received it in a few days. Well there is a user at RCGroups with the same username as you that is says he owns aeroacemods.com.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=460819&page=12&pp=15

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Please explain. This seems REALLY strange.

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RE: Air Hogs Aero Ace! - 1/19/2006 7:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		The first part of the post was from me ("You can find Aero Ace 's online @ aeroacemods.com"). The second was from an email I received yesterday from a customer that bought the AA out of CO. I should have been more clear, sorry.

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RE: Air Hogs Aero Ace! - 1/19/2006 9:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have been reading all the comments about the aero ace and just had to have one (or two). Being 67 years old and having been in R/C for 35 years, I first thought that this is "just a toy". After seeing the video, plus all the comments about the little fella, I went out looking for one. TRU had one on the shelf but the box was opened and looked mauled. So, I passed on that one. Target had 4 on the shelf, so I figured that if one is good, two would be better. One orange and one red made it to my shop. What a cutie. The transmitter almost looks real, too. Now I have to wait for the wind to stop blowing like a tornado so I can try it out. I may have to make a trip to my church where there is a very large fellowship room that would be great to fly in. By the way, Wal-Mart also had 4 on the shelf....but they wanted $39.97 for them. $29.95 at TRU and Target. LET THE FUN BEGIN.........

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RE: Air Hogs Aero Ace! - 1/19/2006 10:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		this is for JefrO, or anyone else that was wondering about the delay in the throttle/steering response, quoted from a differant forum:
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"Apparently the frame rate of Channel B is the fastest at 6 frames per second.
Channel A is 4 fps and C is 5 fps.

If all 3 channel inputs are shorted together on the transmitter and receiver it is 10 frames per second.
http://home.versanet.de/~b-konze/xtwin/info/info_en.htm"
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"On the original Tx and Rx you may only connect one pad, B or C. No connection means A.

!! NEVER shorten all three pads. !! Neither on tx nor on rx.

The selfmade tx from my site is capable to make 10 fps. That gives you a smooth control. But it's better to fly alone with 10 fps. The information of more than one tx cannot be sent in parallel, but only sequential. Thats the reason for the different fps related to each channel. Then everyone has the chance to get a tx-window for his own. Only a complete, undisturbed sequence is accepted by the rx."
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so, if you've got the A or C channel, you may notice the lag even more than you would with the B channel. just thought i'd pass that along.

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RE: Air Hogs Aero Ace! - 1/20/2006 12:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am quoting myself . My first AA still flys great red B channel mono wing ,and throttle spring removal mod . My 2nd blue channel A I took back didn't work my 3rd black channel A taking back it spirals left . I am glad my first one flys so well or I would be done with the AA . I am done with trying to get a good 2nd one and getting my $$$ back this time to spend on my glow part of the hobby . I will just fly the good one till it stops flying and be glad I got 1 good one . If you get one that spirals left you can try trimming it all you want and can compensate some what but if it is your first AA don't think they all fly that way take it back and try another . I can control my good one amazingly well for a 2 channel .
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My first AA was the Red B channel flys great controls great still as a mono plane was surprised how well a 2 channel could be controlled .
I enjoyed it so well I got a 2nd plane blue channel A didn't work at all took it back got another chanel A black took off the lower wing it has bad tendencies . It wants to turn left when throttle down not in sync with transmitter dosn't throtle down etc as explained here . I got the channel B at TRU the channel A Target . I don't know if the channel or where you get it matters but post what channel you have where you got it and how it flys to help others in case it matters .



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RE: Air Hogs Aero Ace! - 1/20/2006 4:54 AM   
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Yes the Defenders fly great modifed with LiPo cells. They are great fliers and have 10-15 min flight times when modified.

Stock cells removed lighten airframe and the LiPo fits up inside fuse nicely. Try one, they are cheap. Only drawback, is
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anyone tried the Air Hogs Defeneder?




what size lipo do i need? i just bougth 2 defenders for a pretty good price.

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RE: Air Hogs Aero Ace! - 1/20/2006 4:42 PM   
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The first part of the post was from me ("You can find Aero Ace 's online @ aeroacemods.com" . The second was from an email I received yesterday from a customer that bought the AA out of CO. I should have been more clear, sorry.

Got ya. Thanks for offering the planes and parts. I have a feeling this is the answer to the prayers of many

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RE: Air Hogs Aero Ace! - 1/21/2006 2:31 AM   
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I was enjoying your discussion on this little plane so much ( and learning a lot from it!) I thought I'd try to give back some. I have an Aero Ace that flies really well. I brought it home right out of the box did the following mods based on what i read here and my own ideas;

Split fuselage and moved battery forward and added a tiny lead weight inside the nose
rerouted engine wiring around back of battery to get extra length
removed the lower wings and struts.
added swept back upper wing extensions made from the old wings
moved the engines about 1" further out
removed the throttle spring on the transmitter
rechargeable batteries ( of course)

It seems like a lot of mods, but really just an hour of work. The monowing made it faster, the wing extensions made it climb better, moving the cg futher forward made it more stable, the engine mod made it turn better. This plane will turn nice figure eights at about 1/4 throttle 100 feet up for 10-12 minutes. Its a joy to fly. I set the rudder to turn slightly right with power off so it spirals down, then correct it with transmitter trim so it flies straight under power.

I think some of the fatal "turn left" problems could possibly be fixed by repositioning the engines. Here's a picture of my modified AA.



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RE: Air Hogs Aero Ace! - 1/21/2006 4:42 AM   
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I think some of the fatal "turn left" problems could possibly be fixed by repositioning the engines. Here's a picture of my modified AA.




Thanks for that mod list and the cool shot...I'm probably going to do the same thing to one of mine (just went out and bought two more to join my fleet of two...got these this time at K-Mart, they're the new ones I think...don't know for sure yet.)

I think you're right about the turn left thing. Since I've reattached my engines (after every hard nose in or tree or house beak) I have to retrim...but my strong left has now gone away as I'm better at judging the engine attach angles.



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RE: Air Hogs Aero Ace! - 1/21/2006 4:45 AM   
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I think some of the fatal "turn left" problems could possibly be fixed by repositioning the engines. Here's a picture of my modified AA.




Thanks for that mod list and the cool shot...I'm probably going to do the same thing to one of mine (just went out and bought two more to join my fleet of two...got these this time at K-Mart, they're the new ones I think...don't know for sure yet.)

I think you're right about the turn left thing. Since I've reattached my engines (after every hard nose in or tree or house beak) I have to retrim...but my strong left has now gone away as I'm better at judging the engine attach angles.



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RE: Air Hogs Aero Ace! - 1/21/2006 4:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		hey does anyone know when the f-16 type AA is going to come out?


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