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RE: Team Losi Mini LST - 10/11/2005 9:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		i think the best suited motor for this application is the AON 4900KV Thrust motor. faster than the mamba 6800 and is a 400 size can.

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RE: Team Losi Mini LST - 10/11/2005 9:43 AM   
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Check out this forum post there is a dude there from TEKIN. And he was saying that these motors will have higher power outputs than the MAMBA. Taking care of the cogging issues. Of course you can only take this with a grain of salt since he does work for tekin. But on the other The MAMBA technology is almost 2-3 years old.



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Yeah if you read through the thread, I asked him a quesiton what are the advantages of getting a mini rage, speed wise. So read this entire page of that thread He doesn't mention anything that the mini rage is better in performance anywhere in that page or in the entire thread.

So the mini rage isn't strong enough to rocket this beast.

The batteries are 6 cells, read on losi page.

The mambas are having a hard time moving the mini quake so the mini lst would also give the mamba a hard time, especially the 8k. I emailed Shawn at CC and he said he'll look into it, but he told me that the lower kv rating would be the best bet.

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RE: Team Losi Mini LST - 10/11/2005 9:59 AM   
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RE: Team Losi Mini LST - 10/11/2005 10:23 AM   
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i think the best suited motor for this application is the AON 4900KV Thrust motor. faster than the mamba 6800 and is a 400 size can.



How is a 4900kv bl faster than a 6800kv?

Anyway I'm putting a mamba maxx inside!

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RE: Team Losi Mini LST - 10/11/2005 11:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		because of the size of the motor. its a 400 size can whereis the mamba is a 280.

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RE: Team Losi Mini LST - 10/11/2005 1:48 PM   
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RE: Team Losi Mini LST - 10/11/2005 2:07 PM   
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RE: Team Losi Mini LST - 10/11/2005 5:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		THREE POUNDS!!!!! TWO MOTORS!!!!!! Holy schnikies, What is mini about that? I dont know about this. Who knows maybe its going to be really well powered right out of the box. I mean maybe we are jumping the gun. None of us have even driven one yet! And the videos alone make me think it should be tons of fun stock. Perhaps i will just keep it stock and add a 2 cell li-po with close to 2000mah. Should be pretty well suited like that, at least i would like to think so.

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RE: Team Losi Mini LST - 10/11/2005 7:07 PM   
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RE: Team Losi Mini LST - 10/11/2005 9:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		yeah, i already have a few li-po's which i will put to use when this thing comes out. I just hope this stands up to my expectations. I mean, the LST is the best damn nitro truck i have ever driven. So this little truck has some mighty big mini shoes to fill. It better be king of the roost!

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RE: Team Losi Mini LST - 10/12/2005 1:20 AM   
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The size of the can is irrelevant to the speed, unless you mean the 400 sized can motor will have more torque so could use larger pinions to gear it back up to the speed of the mamba



Thank you! Last time I check 8000kv is greater than 4900kv.

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RE: Team Losi Mini LST - 10/12/2005 2:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		this things got dual 370...... that should have enough torque to move it pretty good for a stocker... also runs dual servos

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RE: Team Losi Mini LST - 10/12/2005 3:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		That's probably been posted numerous times and discussed already.

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RE: Team Losi Mini LST - 10/12/2005 4:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		TNB, please help me tell these people that for moving such a large truck, Kv doesn't matter.

The Kv is how fast the motor spins per volt. the higher the voltage, the faster rpm's it has. but for such a large truck, it's Kt that matters, or the Torque per volt.

the mamba can't even move the lighter mini inferno without heating up. How do you guys expect it to be able to move this? It weighs 2.2 lbs for those that didn't know that. that's big. no mamba has the torque to move that big of a thing if it can't move a lighter mini inferno.

the AON 4900 might not even have the torque to move this, because it is so heavy. it might take a even larger motor, with even lower Kv.

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RE: Team Losi Mini LST - 10/12/2005 4:56 AM   
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I could write a lot of things but some people have to live and learn on their own. A simple visit to Castle Creations website will show that the Mamba-25 Power Packages are brushless hop-ups for 1/18th scale cars and trucks--the site specifically lists HPI [M]RS4, Losi Mini-T, and X-Ray M18 upgrade. Castle Creations can always be contacted for specific information regaring testing in other RCs.
http://www.castlecreations.com

A simple web search will also show the the smaller brushless motor being used in other RCs, including the Kyosho Mini-Inferno and the Duratrax Mini-Quake. However, some people are using small electric fans and wrap around motor heat sinks in their attempts to keep the brushless motor cool. My guess is that the extra weight is taking its toll on the smaller brushless motors.

To me one of the issues is the actual weight of the Mini-LST. Can one Castle Creations motor, such as the CM2080 handle it? I have my ideas since I've ran the CM2080 in a Kyosho Mini-Inferno, AE RC18T, and Xray M18. Will I try it? Doubtful. As mentioned earlier, I am more interested in the CEN Mini-Madness since it ships with a 540 motor, which also means a Novak 540 brushless system should drop right in.

However, anyone else who wants to drop in one or two brushless motors into the Mini-LST has my best wishes as long as they post some honest and non-bias feedback since I'd like to know if the motor(s) can handle it as well as if the Mini-LST can handle the brushless power.

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RE: Team Losi Mini LST - 10/12/2005 5:24 AM   
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RE: Team Losi Mini LST - 10/12/2005 6:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Looking at the motor plate it will be a simple job to make a 540 plate. Not that we may need it anyways... Only time will tell and until its out theres not much point in speculating that this won't be fast enough. Cause you won't know until you get it and I am sure that every BL company will be quick to say what will work for the mini LST.

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RE: Team Losi Mini LST - 10/12/2005 8:50 AM   
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RE: Team Losi Mini LST - 10/12/2005 1:46 PM   
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RE: Team Losi Mini LST - 10/12/2005 2:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		and anyway, no one ever said that the 8000kv is faster than the AON. i said it is faster than the 6800kv mamba.

a single mamba does work as used by Team Losi... http://one18th.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27690&page=1&pp=25

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RE: Team Losi Mini LST - 10/12/2005 5:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think anyone posting here doubts that a single CM2080 can't be used in the Mini-LST, it's just that nobody appears to know how long the motor will last nor how fast it will drive the Mini-LST. From what I read posted on that thread, I didn't see any temps listed regarding the Mamba-25 speed control or the CM2080 motor itself though I read questions asking about temps. If the company was getting 10 minute runs with basically 2 additional minutes of slow time, I'm also curious as to what size lipos it would take to get at least 15 minutes of fast time. And since it won't be sold at iHobbyExpo, I guess I won't be coming home with one even if I was to be very impressed with it. There are also other AON motors out there now besides the one that most people appear to be using in the Kyosho Mini-Inferno as well as other brands of brushless motors.

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RE: Team Losi Mini LST - 10/12/2005 8:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		but the AON is fun. i think i will use the AON 4900

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RE: Team Losi Mini LST - 10/12/2005 9:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		just throw a 540 conversion on it and problem solved.... boy i wish Studysession was here for this to comment.. a simple 540 conversion for this and all your answers answered :P


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RE: Team Losi Mini LST - 10/12/2005 10:42 PM   
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RE: Team Losi Mini LST - 10/13/2005 12:22 AM   
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I don't think anyone posting here doubts that a single CM2080 can't be used in the Mini-LST, it's just that nobody appears to know how long the motor will last nor how fast it will drive the Mini-LST. From what I read posted on that thread, I didn't see any temps listed regarding the Mamba-25 speed control or the CM2080 motor itself though I read questions asking about temps. If the company was getting 10 minute runs with basically 2 additional minutes of slow time, I'm also curious as to what size lipos it would take to get at least 15 minutes of fast time. And since it won't be sold at iHobbyExpo, I guess I won't be coming home with one even if I was to be very impressed with it. There are also other AON motors out there now besides the one that most people appear to be using in the Kyosho Mini-Inferno as well as other brands of brushless motors.


What happen to my post? Well a 6800kv is still faster than a 4900kv. Higher kv=higher top speed, lower kv= not that high of a top speed.

It was I that asked that question! You guys like that huh? But it would of been better if I got an answer! Well you guys read his reply.

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