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RE: A320 Airbus nose wheel - 10/1/2005 8:10:30 PM   
deltatech


 

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Status: offline 		LearjetMech. Yes that is the statement that I was refering to. Somtimes I wish we had Airbus because then we could get allot more contract work "job security".

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RE: A320 Airbus nose wheel - 10/4/2005 8:00:25 PM   
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I fly alot when I have to give lectures around the country and I think that Airbuses are better in terms of comforts. It is like driving a Lexus (AB) versus Ford (Boeing). I think that the Airbus design is more streamlined and more comfortable. DP

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RE: A320 Airbus nose wheel - 10/4/2005 8:12:07 PM   
William Robison



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Not me, sir. If it's a 7xx I'll go, if it's an A3xx I reschedule my trip. No exceptions.

The Boeing planes are built to survive the once in a while improper maintenance, the Airbus planes are built to last until the next scheduled maintenance.

I stay out of the little Swearingen planes too.

I'll ride the DHC -7 and -8, but by god, they're slow.

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RE: A320 Airbus nose wheel - 10/4/2005 9:45:27 PM   
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I would like to know how many of you here would reschedule the trip you you find out that the plane will be an Airbus? I really would like to know that. Are you telling me that if you are say in a third world country and you have a choice of flying the Airbus 319 versus B-737-200 that you would choose the later "no exceptions?" I would need some more convincing please. DP

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RE: A320 Airbus nose wheel - 10/4/2005 11:32:43 PM   
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While I am glad there is some competition for Boeing after MD got swallowed up, and Lockheed left the market, my experiences dealing with airframes from both manufacturers over the past 20+ years (obviously, Boeing got a head start ) has left two very strong impressions:
1) Boeings are more reliable. They do not break down as often, and, if they do, they can still fly safely with some malfunctions. I've seen airbuses grounded, or turn back for trivial items, - and it happens often.

2) Boeings are more comfortable. After an hour in an Airbus seat, my back is killing me. They are also noisier and slower than Boeings.

I'm not making this up, as I mentioned this is after years of experience. I won't go so far as to change my plans because it is an airbus, in fact often I had no choice if I'm waiting for an arrival....But I do have my preferences...

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RE: A320 Airbus nose wheel - 10/5/2005 5:23:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		How many of you know what a "Wing box" is? Does Airbus use a modern extremely light, extremely strong, composite (fiber reinforced plastic) wing box? Just as they use composite (fiber reinforced plastic) rudders?

There have been three in flight rudder failures. I wonder if the same company makes the wing boxes.

Just another little thing to think about when pondering Airbus.

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RE: A320 Airbus nose wheel - 10/5/2005 9:34:03 PM   
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Our wonderful little airline is still keeping them in the air.

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RE: A320 Airbus nose wheel - 10/5/2005 10:46:50 PM   
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RE: A320 Airbus nose wheel - 10/6/2005 1:02:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Dirt Magnet

I havent seen any of you mention the airliner of all airliners, the jet of all jets, the dinosaur of all dinosaurs...........................The Lockheed L-1011 Tristar!!!!!!!! (the crowd cheers)
Our wonderful little airline is still keeping them in the air.

Check out post #32 Dirt.

"And wait, what about the Lockheed line? By far the best airplane other than a 727 made was the L-1011."

Right there with you. Love the distinct whine of those RB211 fans!! It is a shame Lock got out of the commercial business. Anybody that can dream up the SR71 and make it happen has talent in my book!!!

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RE: A320 Airbus nose wheel - 10/6/2005 2:41:23 AM   
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Thanks, I missed that post. Love those RB's! I hate to see them retire.

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RE: A320 Airbus nose wheel - 10/6/2005 1:31:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: William Robison

How many of you know what a "Wing box" is? Does Airbus use a modern extremely light, extremely strong, composite (fiber reinforced plastic) wing box? Just as they use composite (fiber reinforced plastic) rudders?

There have been three in flight rudder failures. I wonder if the same company makes the wing boxes.

Just another little thing to think about when pondering Airbus.

Bill.


So I guess because of your dislike for composites you wont be flying the Boeing 787 then? Or any Boeing airliner developed from now on for that matter.

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RE: A320 Airbus nose wheel - 10/6/2005 5:54:22 PM   
William Robison



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Quite the opposite. Boeing in its current production have shown they are more than competent to make good composite structures.

On the other hand, Airbus with their rudder failures, have proven their composites quality control in marginal at best.

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RE: A320 Airbus nose wheel - 10/7/2005 4:04:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Bill could you please tell me what these rudder failures are that you say are a problem for airbus? Please don't use AA flight 587 as an example as that was not a rudder failure. I am not aware of any fatal accident involving an airbus aircraft ever that has been attributed solely to a mechanical failure.

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RE: A320 Airbus nose wheel - 10/7/2005 4:15:28 AM   
William Robison



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We can argue all day and night about the cause, but AA flight 587 had a vertical fin and rudder failure - they were found quite a distance from the rest of the plane.

The other two, if you care to search for them, were simply the rudders falling off in flight. FDR showing no rudder excursions, they just fell off. In both incidents the planes were landed safely.

The inspection method, I kid you not, is checfking for external cracks. No cracks? Fly it. This is what I paraphrased as "If the rudder is still there, fine. If it's missing, replace it."

And I wonder if the same contractor made both the rudder and the nose wheel steering system.

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