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JR Voyager E or Ecco 8...How are they? - 10/29/2002 11:49:44 PM   
Dick T.


 

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Status: offline 		Interested in getting back into heli's with winter approaching (not that winter is much in Central California) and am considering electric so I can fly in the Cul de sac or at the park near my house.

Looking at the Voyager E or possibly the Ecco 8. Good points? Bad?

Any knowledgable info appreciated.

Tried a Piccolo two years back, fun but very limited and difficult to fly (even compared to old fixed pitch machines I flew in the 70's).

Thanks,


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JR Voyager E or Ecco 8...How are they? - 10/30/2002 9:59:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Might look at the Corona also, hear there tough as nails.

I have a ECO-8, little tough to get the kinks work out but flies pretty good once it is setup right. I guess that goes with which ever Heli you get. As for upgrades there are a mess of them. I would only replace the stock parts when they break with the upgraded pieces.

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JR Voyager E or Ecco 8...How are they? - 10/30/2002 10:25:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you have previous experience with helis, you might want to skip Corona and go directly to the collective helis. They fly more like the common glow birds.

I have owned an Eco8 before, and currently am on my second Voyager. Voyager is a much better heli than Eco8 IMHO. Parts are much more durable, and quality is up to par with other JR helis. My only advice is to ditch the stock motor/ESC and go with a Hacker brushless motor.

Logo 10 is another good alternative, except for parts availability. I currently own both, but the Voyager is much better for smaller field such as local park or driveway.

Regardless of which heli you end up with, brushless motor is definitely a good investment.

For more information on Voyager, check out:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JRVoyagerE/

Or [url]www.ezonemag.com[/url] under electric heli section. There are lots of comparisons done.

Good luck,

Stephen

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JR Voyager E or Ecco 8...How are they? - 12/20/2002 6:40:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have just purchased a Voyager E and would like to know what is your recommendation on Brushless motor and controller and where to get them. Also would it be smarter to go with Logo 10 so yoy don't waste money on the stock motor and controller in kit ?

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JR Voyager E or Ecco 8...How are they? - 12/31/2002 3:35:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Greetings,

Astro Flight has a motor designed that works very well for the Voyager E. Small, light and best of all, made in America.You can get them with or without the controller.
I also believe that they are taking orders, but it may be a little while to get one.
I will be running one on my Voyager.
I have always been an Astro fan for many years.

I think that most use a Hacker system at present, but that will may change over the next year. Hacker systems are more expensive too.

Check out their site.

http://www.astroflight.com

Look under new products.

Good luck,

Jared

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JR Voyager E or Ecco 8...How are they? - 12/31/2002 5:51:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am using a Hacker B40-9L with Kontronik Smile 40-6-18 controller. My previous Voyager had a B40-8L and it had more power but shorter duration. Both of these motors will need to be run on 10 cells.

You can also go with Hacker C40-9L as recommended by Hacker themselves. http://www.hackerbrushless.com/motors_c40.shtml
This motor runs on 8 cells thus making your heli lighter.

Hacker distributer in USA is Aeromodel:
http://www.hackerbrushless.com/motors.shtml

This place also carries them with better price:
http://www.aircraft-world.com

Logo 10 is in a different class than Voyager. It is more aerobatic, and flies more like the 30 sized glow birds. For that you will need a Hacker B50-13L for duration or B50-11L for power.

But I still fly my Voyager frequently due to its size. I just don't feel comfortable tossing the larger Logo around at local parks.

Stephen

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I think that most use a Hacker system at present, but t... - 2/4/2003 5:32:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey JCstalls, thanks for that info, I think I may be getting an AstroFlight motor soon, do you think that 803H-4t motor will be noticeably stronger than my stock Fusion, also, can I use my stock Castle creations esc with that you think?


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JR Voyager E or Ecco 8...How are they? - 2/4/2003 8:02:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Welp, I really can not say if the Astro will be noticeably stronger than your stock Fusion. I never ran the stock motor.

Which stock Castle Creation controller do you have, brushed or brushless, and what is it amp rating?

My VE came with a CC 25amp, which is fine for hovering and mild FF. But I went ahead and swaped it out for a new CC Phoenix 45.

Many are happy with the Jeti/Hacker Master controller.

Good Luck, Jared

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JR Voyager E or Ecco 8...How are they? - 2/17/2003 2:47:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have a Castle Creations 35a esc, for brushed. I think I'm pretty much sold on the Astro 803h, although, I still am considering Mega 16/5/3, how do you think these two motors compare? Also, would it be better to go ahead with a 35a esc, or will the 25a be fine? I have a corona, so of course, I'm not going to be able to do any hot dog aerobatics, but I want to make sure I choose the right esc from the start, but am also watching my budget, if I don't have to spend the extra money on a 35a then I'd rather not. I've never tried any other esc's other than Castle Creations, I really do like them so I probably will go with them but if you could recommend one that might be better for me in the same price range, that'll be great, the main thing I want is the bec feature and I do like the arming feature also and of course adjustable or no Lvc. Thanks a lot!

Oh yea, I am going to be running 6 and 7 cell 2600,3000, 3300 NIMH packs.


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JR Voyager E or Ecco 8...How are they? - 3/7/2003 12:20:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've since put an Astro Flight brushless 020 in my Corona with a Phoenix 35 esc. Got about 9 flights in so far.

All I can say is AAweesome!

This motor is very strong and smooth.

I'm going to go with a smaller pinion and probably 2 degree pitch grips to get higher rotor speed for better stability in the wind.

I almost have too much power, hovers at right around 50% throttle and 2 or 3 notches above that and this thing climbs faster than my stock fusion. Full throttle, oh man, i don't even need this much power. Awesome!

Funny I forgot I subscribed to this thread, I was browsing around looking for info on the Voyager E because I was thinking of getting a cp heli hopefully soon and I was leaning towards the Voyager.

So I read some reviews on the Voyager e and a lot of people hates it and says it's too heavy and doesn't fly well and that the stock motor and esc is junk, but there are a few people who absolutely loves them and swears by them.

I was also considering the Eco 8 but I heard it's really fragile and needs a lot of initial hop ups to be a good flier. My main concerns are a good flier out of the box and stability in the wind, I'm not too concerned about hot dog 3d aerobatics, as long as I can do inverted and mild 3d with it in the future that's fine.

So how's the stock motor and esc in the Voyager? I'd definitely put an Astro Flight in it but not right away since it would be a waste of the stock stuff and I wish JR sold it as a basic kit.

Anyone mind sharing info, opinions and suggestions on it?

Any necessary initial mods needed? Also, what kind of radio would be optimal for not too much $? I'm not familiar at all with mixing and so forth. Thanks, sorry for all the questions.


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JR Voyager E or Ecco 8...How are they? - 3/7/2003 1:18:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Greetings,

I have a VE with the Astro 020 3T, but am still just learning to fly.

An idea for motor options: Somewhere out there I saw an JR VE kit for about $420, but came with the Fut240 gyro. The Astro system is about $200. I just noticed on Ebay that the stock VE motor and esc, new, sold for about $100. Numbers to think about.

I am using a Eclipse 7 radio, and is ok. I think the nice mid range radio for would be a JR8103,

The radio that is needed for the VE must have 120 ccpm mixing.

There are a few upgrades for the VE when one gets into the hot shot flying.

Besides over at the Ezone, have you tried the Yahoo VE groups?

The next Heli up the scale would be the Logo 10.

Jared

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JR Voyager E or Ecco 8...How are they? - 3/7/2003 1:41:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks, I may check out the yahoo ve groups.

Yea the Eclipse 7 is reasonably priced, would you recommend that one? What are the downfalls to it with the VE?


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JR Voyager E or Ecco 8...How are they? - 3/7/2003 2:08:46 PM   
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There are not many that use this system.

If you search the Yahoo groups, you will find my post about programming it.
It flys, but still needs a lot of work.
Of chours, if I new what I was doing, it would be a lot easyer.

Many reasons for the 8103:
The VE manual shows the setup for it.
Most use it, so help is easyer.
The programming is a lot easyer seting up your pitch and throtle curves, along with a three flight modes. This system have a little graph sceen.

As you know the Eclipse 7 with the spectra module is around $225. The JR 8103 transmitter, charger and one module is around $350. Just a little more, but carries a higher resale value. Numbers to think about.



It is a different wourld that the simplicity of a Corona.

Sometime deals cane be found on used units. I have seen used VE's with brushless systems, servos, gyro and such for around $650. To buy all that new, would run around $1200 dollars.

Also, are you aware of the new polys comming out?

Expensive packs, but a Logo 20 can fly for about 25 in full aerobatics. Check the zone using search, you will find it.

I am going to give my VE about another month or so, then consider selling it. I just can not seem to get my corodination well.
I had on day of flying, on the third hover, boom, from about 12' or so. I goofed and came in on the boom. Tough bird though. I had to replace the boom because it had a carbon fiber unit. I am using the stock aluminum now. A new tail rotor shaft, new main blades and a feather shaft. I could just imagine how more with a Eco.


jared

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JR Voyager E or Ecco 8...How are they? - 5/17/2003 12:24:53 AM   
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