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    RE: ** WALKERA DRAGONFLY 36 * - 10/19/2005 12:48 AM   
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    RE: ** WALKERA DRAGONFLY 36 * - 10/19/2005 1:49 AM   
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    Status: offline     		hey nozz i just crashed mine and bent the heck out of the tail boom tube. tried to replace it with a t-rex one but it is about 1/2 inch too short. anyway to tighten the belt you need to get a very small phillips screwdriver and loosen the four frame bolts around the tail boom.(they were all on the right side of the frame when looking from the tail rotor forward to the nose. then just give a light tug to snug up the belt. not too much or you'll draw extra power off your battery. then just tighten the the four frame bolts back up checking the belt tension as you go.

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    RE: ** WALKERA DRAGONFLY 36 * - 10/19/2005 8:31 AM   
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    Status: offline     		Thanks ewr101, i will try that when i get home tonight............cheers for the info m8......

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    RE: ** WALKERA DRAGONFLY 36 * - 10/19/2005 9:52 AM   
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    Status: offline     		all my screws have gone flat,,.. my electric screw driver wore down all the screws and they dont come out now.

    and my heli started shaking for no reason now..
    it becomes hardly noticable when the head speed is high but im still not sure if its ok

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    RE: ** WALKERA DRAGONFLY 36 * - 10/19/2005 1:40 PM   
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    Status: offline     		your blades are probably loose or out of alignment. when mine were too loose they'd make that thing shake like crazy until the headspeed straighened them out.

    ok what main shafts will work on this heli. also what tail boom to use. and what heli has matching plastic control bars.

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    RE: ** WALKERA DRAGONFLY 36 * - 10/19/2005 2:49 PM   
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    Status: offline     		well like i said the t-rex was too short so i went to www.hobby-estore.com. they have all the parts i need and are in the good ole U.S of A. i haven't done business with them before but they are closer than japan and express shipping is available for $22 bucks i think.


    p.s. these are walkera parts so whether they fit or not shouldn't be a question.

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    RE: ** WALKERA DRAGONFLY 36 * - 10/19/2005 7:47 PM   
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    RE: ** WALKERA DRAGONFLY 36 * - 10/19/2005 8:46 PM   
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    Status: offline     		hey guys,this question is probably way too late.has anyone ever heard of anything wrong with hobby-estore.com or anything good ...there in Los Angeles, California....that's where I purchased my number 36 helicopter....does anyone know of any feedback from this company.they were sending me e-mails at five o'clock in the morning saying my helicopter was delayed because my extra parts were out of stock....than an hour later 6 a.m. in the morning...they sent my final confirmation saying it was sent.my order was placed on the 10th..and I got my confirmation last night the 19th...pretty slow.I'm a bit worried I hope somebody knows something about them.I'll wait for someone to post.

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    RE: ** WALKERA DRAGONFLY 36 * - 10/19/2005 9:08 PM   
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    Status: offline     		Hi Guys

    couple of quick questions

    1) does any one no much about the pro -peak prodigy 2 charger is it ant good etc

    2)noz had a tail servo problem before, i still have one, ihave put new TOWER PRO servos in my heli but the tail servo is still wrong it seems to travel further to the right than the left,and the servo is slow to set back to its center position some times doesnt at all as if it is sticking, so the tail blades arnt always flat sometimes they pitch to them when i dont want them tohope that makes sense, has anyone else seen this please help i have tried all sorts,have also played with gyro settings still no joy

    please help

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    RE: ** WALKERA DRAGONFLY 36 * - 10/19/2005 9:49 PM   
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    Status: offline     		ok switch the unlabeled switch on the gyro, one of the little black ones, that's what it does as it's walkera's fudged "heading hold mode" also check the trims, this is a problem sometimes. now besides that, just remove the thing, and fly. I have some psycological problems when I took off my training gear, smashing my main shaft(s) in short order. It could cause the same thing for you, but you have full control over the heli. you just CAN"T have your mind on something else. if you do, well your screwed. try it some time. then you'll know when the heli will lose power due to a slight movement of the tail during precision flying.

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    RE: ** WALKERA DRAGONFLY 36 * - 10/19/2005 11:51 PM   
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    Status: offline     		Yo guys, i think iv sorted my tail problem................i was powering up and the heli would fun fine......and just as i lifted off the tail just span around to the right ................My tail belt was loose.......with help from the other guys i fixed it and now it runs great again......yo borisboy, i'd check your tail belt tension, also put the servo arm on in the correct place....unscrew the servo arm and pop it off, then move the tail rotor to the position you want (center) by pushint the metal rod, then re-connect the servo arm, the servo arm will clip on in different places as there is a small gear inside so just play about with this until the servo gives the right tail pitch each way.....thanks guys and hope this helps

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    RE: ** WALKERA DRAGONFLY 36 * - 10/20/2005 7:04 AM   
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    Status: offline     		No one has any ratings about Hobby-Estore.com .they seem realy nice ...im getting ---Walkera 36 Electric RC Pro Helicopter w/ Brushless Motor/Walkera 30A Brushless Actlyator(ESC) 3 X 11.1V 1800mAh re-chargeable Li-Po battery pack,and the tranmitter just kike yours...oh by the way did you see the walkera vid kenadams363445[1].wmv ...its good .all I could tell from watching was a different gyro/it flew really smooth ,looks like we all got a good machine, I have another video of 36 doing 3-D mildly though ...but it was smooth and stable....so I've never flown one yet but from what I've seen already the 36 going to be great .I can't wait it looks like a great machine for Park flying and these electrics helis need hardly any maintenance they just keep flying....brushless motor just don't supernova the coils then all you have to do is wait for a bearing to burn out..ha..sounds great to me.. tuning is difficult I'm talking to first-timers and novice pilots only and here's the reason you've all been waiting for( its catch 22)you can't tune a helicopter properly if you can't fly a helicopter properly, gee what a delema ...you will be tweaking it for months as you learn to fly better and learning more about setups...dynamic balancing of the main rotors huge effect....static is just a guide line always do it.though..y'all know to keep your shafts in perfect straight order....tune the load of the engine to perfectly match the pitch of the main rotors....that's your pitch curve and throttle curve..,someone in the form was asking where the balance point of the36 was can it be out a bit etc.....technically no....especially on our machines where mast bumping is not as good as the more precision rotor heads . And hey we're only 500 grams....so no matter what it's directly below the main rotor mast /with an excellent pitch curve/excellent dynamically balanced rotors/and tail /and your gears and belt drives are set perfectly /in check control linkage /smoothness stability are achieved.../and then flying becomes 10 times easier.nice machine...so take your time go easy because no one can really help you on a form about the feel of your machines stability or smoothness because that job is only for the pilot or unless some expert does it for him....then he's lucky.. you've got to be crazy to think they're tuned in any way out-of-the-box especially when you've just heard the specialized skill needed,okay you guys get their ,,,,,then your machines will practically fly themselves...ill post all the mechanical bugs as I find them and with photographs.remember there's a lot of little things in an RC chopper and if you tweak them all up now there's a machine .hoping I get my electronics in good condition...the machine looks great......later guys..

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    RE: ** WALKERA DRAGONFLY 36 * - 10/20/2005 9:14 AM   
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    Status: offline     		Hey NOZZA, How do you put this training kit on the 36..It seems like the little black clips dont fit??? Thanks Ron

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    RE: ** WALKERA DRAGONFLY 36 * - 10/20/2005 9:40 AM   
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    Status: offline     		Hey guys

    I finally recieved my brushless lipo #36 today! I have mixed initial impressions of it.
    1) The brushless power is great! The thing can climb like a home sick angel! The motor does get rather hot, though.
    2) I lucked out and my blades are balanced and tracking well. Hovers like a champ.
    3) The included 2200mah lithium polymer battery is trash. Can't maintain voltage for more than 30seconds. There is no balance plug so how am I to rectify this piece of crap?
    4) The gyro is... well I just don't know what the deal is. It seems to holding the heading decently enough, but when commanded to do any kind of rushed yawing motion eg. pirouette it seems to just fizzle out and die. All authority is lossed after about 90degrees and it just stops responding to my imputs. Relaxing the stick seems to "reset" it. It also seems to try and return itself to its original heading after small yawing motions. The servo doesn't seem to be sticking as others have encountered. What gives?

    Do you guys think I have any ground to stand on when it comes to returning the crappy battery to my Ebay seller? I know it's the battery at fault because I have a Thunder Power 1320mah that works great in my #36. 2200mah would be a great battery if it only worked as advertised.

    Thanks for your input, Brett

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    RE: ** WALKERA DRAGONFLY 36 * - 10/20/2005 7:07 PM   
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    Status: offline     		well, try to get another one from the seller. IF they don't let you, then send some pics of it torn apart, and if all the cells aren't the same legnth well, that's where you get back at them, or try to at least. if that's the case you're screwed on that so take it apart and cut the PCM board off if it has one, then take a ligheter to one part and show that to them, that should soften them up and they'll probably send you another one, but the usuall problem is that the battery just doesnt have enough power to haul that brushed motor, when I got my brushless it's all fixed and the free ones fly just fine.

    TRAINING GEAR, you'll usually just want to use some zipties and just strap them to the poles. the pieces were meant for the honeybee type legs that are very thin where it connects to the body. IF you get an align 420LF you'll be able to carry 700g, that means making much longer training gear from wooden dowels. I have, very helpful.

    Xcell123 uhng the mention of walkera brushless makes me shiver, you'll NEED a heat sink, and will have to pre spin those blades as I don't think they have a slow mode.

    Nozz Actually I had a loose belt as well and did exactly as you said, I wish I had thought of that then. But glad to see you've figured it out.

    GYRO's, I'd suggest just removing it and becoming a better flier... really it's alot better never ahving that thing mess up your flight. ANd it sounds like it came broken, so you'll need to try to get another one/take it off anyways.

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    RE: ** WALKERA DRAGONFLY 36 * - 10/20/2005 9:10 PM   
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    Status: offline     		Yeah thanks for the info on the training gear,I thought so..I also glued some wooden chop sticks together end to end, with some ping pong balls. That works to for training gear!! So the 36 can fly without the Gyro, what happens on start up without it , does it spin out of control?? Or is it actually controlable?? Do you have a Video on yours flying without the GYro?? Thanks Ron

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    RE: ** WALKERA DRAGONFLY 36 * - 10/20/2005 9:10 PM   
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    Status: offline     		A couple days after I got my #4, my 36 came in. Unfortunately, there was no battery in the box so the vendor had to send me one.
    Well, it's arrived. Should I fly it? I can't wait to try it out, but I'm only at the point with my #4 where I can hover for a few seconds at a time before losing it. I probably should practice more on the #4, but the allure of the 36 may be too strong.

    It's a stock 36. If I do decide to give it a whirl, what settings should I use on the chrome switches? Is there anything else I should do before spinning it up? I know I'm supposed to make sure something is level, but I don't know what that something is.

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    RE: ** WALKERA DRAGONFLY 36 * - 10/20/2005 9:57 PM   
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    RE: ** WALKERA DRAGONFLY 36 * - 10/20/2005 10:08 PM   
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    I was hoping someone could give me a little help with my #36. As much as it pains me to say, I took her out today for the maiden voyage outdoors and a really screwed up. While doing some foward flight I managed to roll it over 90degrees (I don't know why, as I am experienced) and didn't have to cyclic authority to recover. I dropped it from 30feet pretty hard and really messed up the head. Shouldn't be too bad to repair but I'm having trouble locating one of the parts I broke. The "pitch link" that attatches directly to the ball link on the blade grip and onto the aileron mixing arm is missing and presumed dead. It is a non-adjustable plastic dog bone shaped link. I don't see it listed anywhere on the #36 parts sites I've been to. Can anyone point me in the right direction? I'm also looking for suggestions for good parts sources in general. I will need shipping to Canada.

    thecheatscalc:
    Are you flying your #36 with no gyro? I am adapt at "flying the tail" with lesser non heading hold piezo gyros. What is it like flying the #36 with no gyro at all? I imagine with the directly proportional speed of the tail in relation to the main rotor it would just be a matter of finding the correct "neutral" pitch of the tail rotor and then just compensating for drift and torque changes. I am intrigued. I wish I had tried it before I dumped my #36. Can't believe I did that on day #2. I don't deserve a helicopter...


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    RE: ** WALKERA DRAGONFLY 36 * - 10/20/2005 10:15 PM   
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    Status: offline     		no it won't spin out of control, and I DO have brushless on it so it does start up suddenly, it only jerks about 30 degrees on start up, so you would want it on a open space. setting down and turning the motor off usually makes it do a spin, but that's when it's on the ground. My heli IS actually controlable and I've almost gotten a hover down, won't be able to do a vid for a while as I need some new shafts, and some blades, as well as a new boom sometime soon. I dont know how to use put file, so maybe a quick tutorial on that?

    What battery does your 36 have GTX? if a li-poly you'll need a brushless setup for it to work. It should lift off with the ni-mh , but my motor was just too underpowered. Get and align420LF and fly that #4 some more while you wait. Oh you're in the us, look at grand RC shipping for me has always been 3 days. Plus it has the lowest prices anywhere, get pinnions for the align at the bottom of the "all products-TRex" page.

    for me my stock servos are really pretty fast and don't have any problems, I think the internal ESC is overloaded, and causes all of the difficultys of chattering. as soon as I hooked up my ESC all chattering was gone.

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    RE: ** WALKERA DRAGONFLY 36 * - 10/20/2005 10:53 PM   
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    Status: offline     		try www.hobby-estore.com. i placed an order with them today. they seemed to have alot of 36 spare parts. maybe they have what your looking for and they are in the U.S.A.

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    RE: ** WALKERA DRAGONFLY 36 * - 10/20/2005 11:09 PM   
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    Status: offline     		Mine is stock. Stock 400 motor, 700ma 12V NiMh battery (10 cells).
    I spun it up just a couple minutes ago. I wanted to make sure the battery wasn't already charged before I recharged it. I ran it flat and now it's sitting in the charger with the green LED on. I suppose the red one goes on when it's fully charged.(?)

    I was a bit surprised at how smooth the 36 is, and how much rotor sound there is compared to the #4.
    My battery isn't enough weight to balance the heli, so it's still tail heavy. I guess I'll take some time (while it's charging) to read the manual a little.

    I don't really want to get into LiPoly or brushless yet. I'd like to get some time on these heli's before spending more money on them.

    I usually catch on to things very fast, but flying these heli's may have me stumped. I bet I have 6 or 7 practice sessions under my belt already, each one about 5 minutes. That's 30 to 35 minutes of practice and I can barely hold a hover for more than a few seconds most of the time. I don't know what's wrong with me.

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    RE: ** WALKERA DRAGONFLY 36 * - 10/20/2005 11:10 PM   
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    Status: offline     		I currently have a BRUSHED stock..Thats probably the cause of my Problems..I just bought a 3800RPM Brushless w/heatsink and 30a ESC.. Also have the 2200MAh LiPO battery and 2 NMIH 650mah packs...So when I get it I'll hook it up and try it..I'll try the ESC with my stock servos first and see if the chattering and sticking servos clear up. If not I 'll replace them with my new High Performance servos I bought , or should I replace them now anyway?? Thanks Ron

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    RE: ** WALKERA DRAGONFLY 36 * - 10/20/2005 11:24 PM   
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    Status: offline     		nothing is wrong with you , these things are very hard to fly even for experienced pilots. there are so many variables that change every second that ,yes, it will take ALOT of practice to fly. i have looked at some of the dates in the threads here and some people have had their heli's for a few months and are still flying with the training gear. i have only had my 36 in the air once and i've had it almost 2 months. these are a challenge and that is part of the fun. if you could do 3-d the second day you had it you would probably put the heli in the closet after month. don't get discouraged man enjoy the learning proccess. happy flying!!!!!!!!!

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    RE: ** WALKERA DRAGONFLY 36 * - 10/20/2005 11:34 PM   
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    Status: offline     		Yeah I was like that to and I didnt have a traing kit so I kept smashing my main blades. So I said trick it. I bought 5 main blades and a training kit..It rained last night here in Hawaii ,so I'll try to fly it tonight..I havent tried my LiPo battery yet and am waiting for the Brushless motor.So I'll be going BRUSHED with LIPO battery...My Heli seemed to not want to hoover at first so thats why I bought the Brushless motor, plus more power means stronger flight...Late Ron

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