10 kW Plettenberg Outrunner
10-07-2005, 04:20 PM
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10 kW Plettenberg Outrunner
Not pattern related but oh my God!!
You gotta give Plettenberg some credit that is one hell of a motor! I think Bernd is flying it in Tucson right now.
http://www.brainless.org/MultiMedia/...lectricYAK.htm
You gotta give Plettenberg some credit that is one hell of a motor! I think Bernd is flying it in Tucson right now.
http://www.brainless.org/MultiMedia/...lectricYAK.htm
10-10-2005, 02:03 AM
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RE: 10 kW Plettenberg Outrunner
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Does anyone know where you get the Emotec LiPo batteries?
Does anyone know where you get the Emotec LiPo batteries?
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10-12-2005, 02:37 AM
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RE: 10 kW Plettenberg Outrunner
[8D] Hi,
I've posted hundreds of pictures and videos from the 2005 Tucson TOC Shootout held at the Tucson International Modelplex Park Association field ...
Pictures:
http://www.brainless.org/MultiMedia/...TIMPA/2005TOC/
Videos:
http://www.brainless.org/MultiMedia/...005-TIMPA-TOC/
I hope you all can enjoy them ...
One note of interest to electric flyers ... a 10KW brushless outrunner ...
http://www.brainless.org/MultiMedia/...C/eYak55SP.htm
And how's this for electric performance on a 30-lb./13.5-Kg Yak?
http://www.brainless.org/MultiMedia/...55SP-Hover.wmv
Just be sure to tell'em I sent you ... I'm going to need a discount if I get a plane that big!
My regards to all the Pilots 'n Crews 'n TIMPA staff 'n visitors ... we had a great week!
The week rates 5-cheesy smiles
10-13-2005, 01:26 PM
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RE: 10 kW Plettenberg Outrunner
I talked with Manfred about the model and his setup.
The numbers are quite a shock to me.
It is 11kw or 11,000 watts this is about 14+ HP Pattern setup is around 2000-2500watts. So basically this is 5-6 times a pattern model setup.
Batts were 14S and I think 4P 9600mah Almost double the capacity for the pattern setup..Voltage on 14S is 58.8V
Current draw 220amps
It has a little more power than a DA100 in the same model.
It was impressive. But its totally beyond a pattern setup.
Motor is 700euro or $840 US
Batts are currently 1800euro $2150 US
I'm not sure how Manfred had the packs distributed in the plane I think it was (2) 7S sticks. Wheras for the pattern models we are using (2) 5S sticks.
Basically this was an effective competition model. But doesn't really carry over to the pattern stuff. Pattern is limited to 42V so 10S is it. This is a way more powerful setup and is basically equivalent to a DA100. This is a different application. Oh and it is a single motor not a twin motor on a single shaft type of thing like some have seen pictures of.
Cool Model! Fun to watch. Manfred is a cool guy to talk with as well.
The numbers are quite a shock to me.
It is 11kw or 11,000 watts this is about 14+ HP Pattern setup is around 2000-2500watts. So basically this is 5-6 times a pattern model setup.
Batts were 14S and I think 4P 9600mah Almost double the capacity for the pattern setup..Voltage on 14S is 58.8V
Current draw 220amps
It has a little more power than a DA100 in the same model.
It was impressive. But its totally beyond a pattern setup.
Motor is 700euro or $840 US
Batts are currently 1800euro $2150 US
I'm not sure how Manfred had the packs distributed in the plane I think it was (2) 7S sticks. Wheras for the pattern models we are using (2) 5S sticks.
Basically this was an effective competition model. But doesn't really carry over to the pattern stuff. Pattern is limited to 42V so 10S is it. This is a way more powerful setup and is basically equivalent to a DA100. This is a different application. Oh and it is a single motor not a twin motor on a single shaft type of thing like some have seen pictures of.
Cool Model! Fun to watch. Manfred is a cool guy to talk with as well.
10-13-2005, 04:22 PM
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RE: 10 kW Plettenberg Outrunner
So is it pulling 11kwatt in this modell? for 13,5 kg plane with a effishent direct drive motor spinning big prop 5kwatt setup would be more than enough!
Still waiting for prop-rpm-volt numbers,
Still waiting for prop-rpm-volt numbers,
10-15-2005, 10:00 PM
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RE: 10 kW Plettenberg Outrunner
wperko, the video named 20051009TIMPAFreeStyle-07FrazerBriggsCrash.wmv, are you certain that is Frazer? The pilot is way too tall to be Frazer, and it looks like Bill H's airplane.
10-16-2005, 11:29 AM
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RE: 10 kW Plettenberg Outrunner
[8D] Hi,
I didn't ask about his prop size but i'm sure it's at least 22"/10 ...
I thought I'd fix-up the video and post it DVD quality for all to enjoy ...
That is the demo flight of the:
"10KW Plettenberg Powered Electric Composite-ARF ... 2.6m Yak 55SP"
At full power in this demo flight the brushless outrunner is providing over
11KW power ... 6400rpm ... using 50V @ 220A with a Kv=128rpm/V ...
This is a 302MB MPG-2 Video ...
http://www.brainless.org/MultiMedia/...KWeYak55SP.mpg
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10-16-2005, 11:36 AM
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[8D] Hi,
There were only two ground spankings during the freestyle on Sunday ... Frazier Briggs 'n Don Szczur ... it would be very difficult to get them mixed-up ...
OTOH, my camcorder is stuck in 16:9 format ... so things can look a little taller ...
Which reminds me I should send the cammorder back to Canon Service Center for cleaning etc ... it is 10-years old!
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10-16-2005, 01:07 PM
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RE: 10 kW Plettenberg Outrunner
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[8D] Hi,
There were only two ground spankings during the freestyle on Sunday ... Frazier Briggs 'n Don Szczur ... it would be very difficult to get them mixed-up ...
OTOH, my camcorder is stuck in 16:9 format ... so things can look a little taller ...
Which reminds me I should send the cammorder back to Canon Service Center for cleaning etc ... it is 10-years old!
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[8D] Hi,
There were only two ground spankings during the freestyle on Sunday ... Frazier Briggs 'n Don Szczur ... it would be very difficult to get them mixed-up ...
OTOH, my camcorder is stuck in 16:9 format ... so things can look a little taller ...
Which reminds me I should send the cammorder back to Canon Service Center for cleaning etc ... it is 10-years old!
Besides if Frazer did crash he would have certainly taken a 0 on one of the free routines, which DA's site indicates he didnt.
10-16-2005, 06:23 PM
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I'll clear it up. I was there judging all week long. The freestyle's were very good even though the windy conditions did not give the pilots many options for the the down low and slow stuff.
2 crashes which resulted in Zero scores.
1) QQ 102" Yak. Joe McBride was really putting on a crazy show. He is truly insane man. He flew the 102" QQ YAK only in Freestyle and exited a blender very low about 10ft off the deck and downwind. As I said the wind was blowing pretty good. The model just didn't have enough energy and scraped the fin/rudder counterbalance on the desert floor. The result was it dragged along a little and then completed the 50 grit pass! By the way they fixed this model and flew it again in rd 3 of the freestyle. Joe flew through a huge dust devil. It was awesome! The best quote I've heard in a while..."Don't stop flying until all the pieces have hit the ground."
2) Don Szczur was flying the prototype Radio Wave Extra 300 midwing model. It is the white with blue and red. Don was not lucky all week. He lost his primary model before the contest. He borrow one of Jason's models and struggle a bit with it. Then his "backup" model arrived on Friday and Don put up some good flights with it. However the hole was a little deep to dig out from. Don flew well, but his contest was finished on Saturday as he was not in the top 10. Don did fly in the 2nd round of the freestyle event on Sunday having taken a zero by not flying on the first round of free on Saturday. The wind was blowing really good. As you can tell from the pics Don was in a pretty low Harrier and turned downwind. Since the model was so close to the ground....and being downwind in a very high alpha...the model was probably not as responsive as it was upwind. As Maxwell Smart would say "He missed it by that much!" Again the model just settled in on its top to complete yet another 50 grit pass. Don didn't do anything wrong it just was some bad luck and pushing the envelope.
Frazer did not crash at all. He flew his TOC Extra 260 from years ago and the one he won the event with last fall. It now has a DA200 (flat 4 cyl in it) It made the model come alive. He flew it very well as all the pilots did.
One other minor mis-step was Mark L, flying a QQ 102" Yak in Freestyle got a zero on the last round 3 as he hit Mach 18 on a rolling Harrier loop coming down the back side to the downwind direction. The wings were a total blurr and he had to be rolling 3-4 rolls a sec. Typical Leseberg rolls. Well this time the big counter balance tab on the top of the rudder departed the model giving him a zero for the flight. He kept the model flying for a little while and I suspect it flew like a turd with little rudder authority and even less yaw dampening so he just landing it about 2mins into the 4min freestyle flight.
This is the rundown.
Of note many guys flew different models in their freestyle than what they flew the sequences. Since in IMAC the freestyle is a separate contest...there are no rules about having two different models tuned up and ready to go for each event. Andrew Jesky, Mark, Joe McBride all flew the 102" QQ Yak. Chip and Jason flew a different model a 3.1m CARF super Extra which was actually the model that Peter Collinson was flying in the Competition. Whereas Quique, Marco, Jason Noll, Bernd, Hemple, John Glizelis, Frazer, Don, and Kyle flew their competition models in the Free.
Quique's models flew extremely well in the Freestyle. As an observer I felt that this model has the best control authority of any model I have watch go through a freestyle routine. The rudder-elevator are phenomenal at slow speeds and don't tend to "stall out" meaning loose their control as speed decreases. Many models have very effective rudders around neutral but die off as they get to the extremes. QQ's Yak doesn't do this. The 102" version or the 120" version both have excellent control at stall or near stall speeds. I think this is why guys chose to use this model for the freestyle.
PLUS the 102" models are cheap and fly so well compared. These guys really abused them! I'm convinced that Wayne and Quique really have a strong and effective design in that model. Those things were just taking a beating and came out on top....Hell Joe literally crashed it and flew it the next round with a little CA and some Ultracote trim sheets. It was like a NASCAR pit stop.
This is offtopic for sure...but hope it gets the facts straight.
Troy Newman
2 crashes which resulted in Zero scores.
1) QQ 102" Yak. Joe McBride was really putting on a crazy show. He is truly insane man. He flew the 102" QQ YAK only in Freestyle and exited a blender very low about 10ft off the deck and downwind. As I said the wind was blowing pretty good. The model just didn't have enough energy and scraped the fin/rudder counterbalance on the desert floor. The result was it dragged along a little and then completed the 50 grit pass! By the way they fixed this model and flew it again in rd 3 of the freestyle. Joe flew through a huge dust devil. It was awesome! The best quote I've heard in a while..."Don't stop flying until all the pieces have hit the ground."
2) Don Szczur was flying the prototype Radio Wave Extra 300 midwing model. It is the white with blue and red. Don was not lucky all week. He lost his primary model before the contest. He borrow one of Jason's models and struggle a bit with it. Then his "backup" model arrived on Friday and Don put up some good flights with it. However the hole was a little deep to dig out from. Don flew well, but his contest was finished on Saturday as he was not in the top 10. Don did fly in the 2nd round of the freestyle event on Sunday having taken a zero by not flying on the first round of free on Saturday. The wind was blowing really good. As you can tell from the pics Don was in a pretty low Harrier and turned downwind. Since the model was so close to the ground....and being downwind in a very high alpha...the model was probably not as responsive as it was upwind. As Maxwell Smart would say "He missed it by that much!" Again the model just settled in on its top to complete yet another 50 grit pass. Don didn't do anything wrong it just was some bad luck and pushing the envelope.
Frazer did not crash at all. He flew his TOC Extra 260 from years ago and the one he won the event with last fall. It now has a DA200 (flat 4 cyl in it) It made the model come alive. He flew it very well as all the pilots did.
One other minor mis-step was Mark L, flying a QQ 102" Yak in Freestyle got a zero on the last round 3 as he hit Mach 18 on a rolling Harrier loop coming down the back side to the downwind direction. The wings were a total blurr and he had to be rolling 3-4 rolls a sec. Typical Leseberg rolls. Well this time the big counter balance tab on the top of the rudder departed the model giving him a zero for the flight. He kept the model flying for a little while and I suspect it flew like a turd with little rudder authority and even less yaw dampening so he just landing it about 2mins into the 4min freestyle flight.
This is the rundown.
Of note many guys flew different models in their freestyle than what they flew the sequences. Since in IMAC the freestyle is a separate contest...there are no rules about having two different models tuned up and ready to go for each event. Andrew Jesky, Mark, Joe McBride all flew the 102" QQ Yak. Chip and Jason flew a different model a 3.1m CARF super Extra which was actually the model that Peter Collinson was flying in the Competition. Whereas Quique, Marco, Jason Noll, Bernd, Hemple, John Glizelis, Frazer, Don, and Kyle flew their competition models in the Free.
Quique's models flew extremely well in the Freestyle. As an observer I felt that this model has the best control authority of any model I have watch go through a freestyle routine. The rudder-elevator are phenomenal at slow speeds and don't tend to "stall out" meaning loose their control as speed decreases. Many models have very effective rudders around neutral but die off as they get to the extremes. QQ's Yak doesn't do this. The 102" version or the 120" version both have excellent control at stall or near stall speeds. I think this is why guys chose to use this model for the freestyle.
PLUS the 102" models are cheap and fly so well compared. These guys really abused them! I'm convinced that Wayne and Quique really have a strong and effective design in that model. Those things were just taking a beating and came out on top....Hell Joe literally crashed it and flew it the next round with a little CA and some Ultracote trim sheets. It was like a NASCAR pit stop.
This is offtopic for sure...but hope it gets the facts straight.
Troy Newman
