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Limiting MAAC directorships? - 10/10/2005 3:55:54 PM

Sharpy01

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This is something I noticed when on the board that is worth discussing.

Should the terms of ZD's/ Exec be limited?

The complaint's been made numerous times about "getting involved", yet time and time a gain, we see a director on the board for years and years?

Personally, I think a regular infusion of new blood would be a good thing. Perhaps a max of 5 years served for ZD's? (that would be a total number in the event that a member comes and goes a year or two at a time.)

The only exception maybe being if you are elected as an Exec. or Prez position. To avoid a lot of the election politics, I think the Prez should be a 3 - 4 year term. One term, then .........next.

whatcha think?

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RE: Limiting MAAC directorships? - 10/10/2005 4:58:51 PM

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MAAC is a ship adrift, the problem again is that members join because the have too rather than they want to. MAAC is not fun, it's old and stuffy, the zone meetings get old and stuffy, too formal for my liking.

At a lot of zone meetings there is no one that wants the position too.

IMHO the MAAC structure needs to be re thought out .

The clubs that provide the backbone have no status in MAAC for instance a r/c club of 100 members maybe represented in the zone by a guy who only flies FF solo.

There has to be a way to get the clubs more voice in maac, perhaps each club president brings to the meeting the proxies of his club automatically - same way the zone rep does at maac.

And you can't say just show up at the zone meeting becasue we have been saying this for years and only a handful of people actually show up each year and the numbers keep dropping.

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RE: Limiting MAAC directorships? - 10/10/2005 8:04:19 PM

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I like the idea of the club prez or rep carrying the vote of those not in attendance. I'm sure there is opposing opinion on this one. curious to see what it is.

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RE: Limiting MAAC directorships? - 10/11/2005 1:26:49 AM

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> for instance a r/c club of 100 members maybe represented in the zone by a guy who only flies FF solo.

Who obvioiusly has been elected to that position by the R/C flyers, who presumably have faith in his abilities.

Who will, of course, forward any views of that R/C club that are properly presented to him; therefore the 100 r/c flyers are fully represented. As a F/F club would similarly expect to have their interests represented by a R/C flyer in that same position.

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RE: Limiting MAAC directorships? - 10/11/2005 3:04:47 AM

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I agree with the above.

The largest problem is not MAAC, it is the combined members that equal MAAC!

I'm not sure we would find enough capable members to deliver such a constant positive change!

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RE: Limiting MAAC directorships? - 10/11/2005 1:22:33 PM

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Been to a Zone meeting lately?
People are not falling over themselves to work for MAAC.
If you limit the length of time anyone can serve, how do you come up with replacements?

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RE: Limiting MAAC directorships? - 10/11/2005 2:12:59 PM

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.........ah yes, but there is the possibility that the apathy that exists is due in part to the inability to remove the deadwood from the system? Besides, I'm not so sure about that suggestion because I way want to come back some day and fix everything.

However, I do believe the Prez's spot should at the very least be a 3 year term to avoid some of the political "manouvering" during AGMs.

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RE: Limiting MAAC directorships? - 10/11/2005 3:03:11 PM

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....ah yes, but there is the possibility that ...

mmm hmmm.... and it could be a conspiracy by an alien race to ensure apathy becomes a human trait to make us more palateable ... the "veal" of the universe.

C'mon, you really believe what you're posting or is this more entertainment? There is no secret MAAC society with deep dark secrets to control the hobbyist of Canada. I was beginning to have a little respect for your discernment.

"Whoa! was that an ex Zone Director?"
"No, it was a weather balloon... trust us, there are no such things as ex Zone Directors."

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RE: Limiting MAAC directorships? - 10/11/2005 3:42:57 PM

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It is not apathy.

I have not meet anyone that was just dying to be member of maac. MAAC is an organization that just does not connect with the majority of maac.

Why - almost every one is told - you must be a maac member to fly here.

$75.00 is not a lot of money to some (only a cup of coffee, blah , blah) but that amount can be 2x or 3x the dues one pays to a club
so when a member fins out they are paying $75 for $10 insurance, well, the disconnect happens.

Then we get the preachin from maac how maac does so much for us, the mag, the structure, the committees, etc, well let me tell you, no one is really buying this, guess why?

At the club level for usually a smaller fee, they get,
a) a flying site that is maintained.
b) training
c) web site and / or a newsletter

so in those terms is $75 for $10 maac insurance a good deal - I guess when there is only one source.

MAAC has connect with the majority - guys who go out and bore holes in the sky, just for fun. MAAC is stale, boring, dull, talking about a vision, yoouts (youths), no one is buying that, you can preach until the cows come home, no one is buying that.

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RE: Limiting MAAC directorships? - 10/11/2005 4:52:02 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Jim_McIntyre

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sharpy01
....ah yes, but there is the possibility that ...

mmm hmmm.... and it could be a conspiracy by an alien race to ensure apathy becomes a human trait to make us more palateable ... the "veal" of the universe.

....LOL....that's good.

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ORIGINAL: Jim_McIntyre
C'mon, you really believe what you're posting or is this more entertainment? There is no secret MAAC society with deep dark secrets to control the hobbyist of Canada. I was beginning to have a little respect for your discernment.

Yeah, your right....just trying to stir some conversation. lol.... I've been to the AZM's ..... not many have the time to play the game and are most are releived when someone puts up their hand. However, interest lurks beneath the surface when, on a rare occaision, there is a competition for the AD's job. ie: SW zone. Suddenly, some passion arises.

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ORIGINAL: Jim_McIntyre
"Whoa! was that an ex Zone Director?"
"No, it was a weather balloon... trust us, there are no such things as ex Zone Directors."

......promise, this "Ex-deadweigher" won't be back. Just trying to draw more reaction.

But, seriously, WHat about giving the Prez a 3-4 year term. That one I believe in.

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RE: Limiting MAAC directorships? - 10/11/2005 5:50:58 PM

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ORIGINAL: kenair
$75.00 is not a lot of money to some (only a cup of coffee, blah , blah) but that amount can be 2x or 3x the dues one pays to a club
so when a member fins out they are paying $75 for $10 insurance, well, the disconnect happens.

LOL!

Can be ... in the backwoods. Show me a club within an hours drive (and there are many within an hours drive) of my location with dues that small and I'll join in a minute.

If you see MAAC as insurance-only, then you see the rate MAAC is able to get, no doubt you are annoyed.
So are the many who see government as purely a body who's sole purpose is to support "pogey check" creation and wonder why we spend money helping other countries in times of disaster.

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RE: Limiting MAAC directorships? - 10/11/2005 10:38:41 PM

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ORIGINAL: Jim_McIntyre

Been to a Zone meeting lately?
People are not falling over themselves to work for MAAC.
If you limit the length of time anyone can serve, how do you come up with replacements?

By having the existing ZD indicate that his/her term is coming due and he/she cannot run again. One of the reasons for apathy is that there is no pressing need to fill a spot, yet each time a ZD position becomes vacant someone steps up to fill the void (one notable exception in a western zone about 10 years ago).

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RE: Limiting MAAC directorships? - 10/12/2005 12:41:14 AM

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Ok, so what happens if a zone is left without representation?

I was a member of a club where something similar was tried. Not only did no one step forward but, when the rule was rescinded, the previous president was so annoyed he would not return. Without a President, the club would have had to fold. Instead, a totally inept person without the knowledge, time or desire stepped forward. The club lost members, money and a field. The field may have been lost anyway but, there's no ways of knowing what could have happened. This, to me, is the potential cost, but on a grander scale, of a rule like this.....

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RE: Limiting MAAC directorships? - 10/12/2005 3:58:48 AM

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Lets not call it a rule then, lets call it a guideline.

As to your example, frankly maybe the club should have folded. Exactly as some have mentioned here WRT MAAC folding, the aftermath would be that a group of like minded individuals would get together and start a new organization ...

OK enough with the elected positions ... your comment about experience is a good one, so why don't we hire a business manager (Hell Linda is almost that already) and pay them to do the administrative stuff including preparing a budget, etc and simply have the board oversee and approve the activities of that position and come up with ways to spend (or bank) any surplus.

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RE: Limiting MAAC directorships? - 10/12/2005 1:17:11 PM

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Not a bad idea.... as long as the business manager is capable and understands the nature of the hobby as well as the business. I wouldn't want to see MAAC run as an efficient business to the detriment of the hobby....

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