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    RE: HeliMax MX400 CCPM heli "build" thread - 8/25/2006 12:23:42 AM   
    Kaw1000



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    awww dang it I already bought all the metal parts for mx head...it seems to be going together real nice.......to late to buy trex head!!
    Thanks for your help, I will keep stock flybar!!!!

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    RE: HeliMax MX400 CCPM heli "build" thread - 8/25/2006 4:07:20 AM   
    Kaw1000



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    anyone know how to assemble a red aluminum mixing arm??.......there are 2 copper retainers that seem to go on screws that connect to see saw
    Thanks!

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    RE: HeliMax MX400 CCPM heli "build" thread - 8/25/2006 5:19:15 AM   
    heliNate


     

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    Try this link for a picture of head assembly.
    Aluminum head

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    RE: HeliMax MX400 CCPM heli "build" thread - 8/26/2006 3:06:51 AM   
    Kaw1000



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    Oh my! Thank you so much Huge help!!!!!!!

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    RE: HeliMax MX400 CCPM heli "build" thread - 8/29/2006 2:49:56 AM   
    Kaw1000



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    Hi fellas,
    I read somewhere that there is a way to keep the tail more stable in the body mounts....I'm just worried that the tail will slide in the mounts and make the belt loose!

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    RE: HeliMax MX400 CCPM heli "build" thread - 9/7/2006 2:55:49 AM   
    z


     

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    Well here is my new heli, thought id chime in on this forum because all ican do is fly LOL ive never had to set up my radio for a heli and im going to need help it is a futaba 7 cap. Thanks guys ADAM

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    RE: HeliMax MX400 CCPM heli "build" thread - 10/27/2006 7:05:47 PM   
    Entropy



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    What's up everyone? It's been a while since anybody has posted...

    Just got my MX450 XS on Monday. Any one else out there have one? Overall I was pleased with the quality of the kit. I got it for $270 shipped from Tower Hobbies with a free Heli-Max pitch gauge and a $40 manufacturers credit. There were a few things I wasn't pleased with. The landing gear support where way off. I had to heat them with a heat gun and re-align them so the skids sit evenly. Also there were a few spots I couldn't get rid of on the carbon fiber tail boom...But other than that I love it.

    Here is my proposed set up, tell me what you guys think (those with experience):

    Tx - Futaba 7EXH
    Rx - Futaba R148DP
    Cyclic - Futaba S3110 .10 / 22oz.
    Tail - JR DS3400G .11 / 51oz.
    Gyro - Futaba GY401
    Motor - Medusa 028-040-3400
    ESC - Castle Creations 45A
    Battery - Great Planes 11.1v 2100 MAh with balance

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    RE: HeliMax MX400 CCPM heli "build" thread - 11/16/2006 4:49:49 AM   
    Entropy



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    Alright, well I guess this thread's dead.

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    RE: HeliMax MX400 CCPM heli "build" thread - 11/20/2006 2:23:47 AM   
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    Hi, today I bought a ARK X400, with align 430L motor and RC-expert 30A ESC. I was wondering if anyone know how to set the right Pitch curve and Throttle curve? also I have a Telebee RCE-500X Gyro and I can´t make the HH mode to work with my 9C, does anyone have this setup? Thanks.

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    RE: HeliMax MX400 CCPM heli "build" thread - 11/21/2006 7:39:26 PM   
    gt_jumper



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    that servo set-up on the mx-400 looks rather complex. my T rex X is giving me a hard time setting up and i have only 3 to deal with on the swash plate!


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    RE: HeliMax MX400 CCPM heli "build" thread - 11/21/2006 10:30:11 PM   
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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Mato

    Hi, I today bought a ARK X400, with align 430L motor and RC-expert 30A ESC. I was wondering if anyone know how to set the right Pitch curve and Throttle curve? also I have a Telebee RCE-500X Gyro and I can´t make the HH mode to work with my 9C, does anyone have this setup? Thanks.

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    Well I can't help you with much here but the blades on your X400 are backwards.

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    RE: HeliMax MX400 CCPM heli "build" thread - 11/22/2006 12:40:21 AM   
    Mato



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    Yes, I knew that, I only put them to take the photo....

    As far as I know, the ARK X400(Heli-Max MX400...I think they are the same ) is a great heli but I couldn´t find information on the setup........not like the T-rex 450....I have the SE version and I found great info on how to setup the gyro, the eCCPM, etc.....may be I need to look better in RC forums.......

    Thanks anyway, Mato.

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    RE: HeliMax MX400 CCPM heli "build" thread - 11/23/2006 3:50:48 PM   
    DaveH2


     

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    Entropy,

    Where are you now at on your new MX450? Has it flown? Any other observations that you'd care to share? I'm considering one of these myself, the Tower deal is a killer. I'd love to hear some thoughts/comparisons on this versus the MX400 and Trex. Happy Thanksgiving!

    Dave

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    RE: HeliMax MX400 CCPM heli "build" thread - 11/25/2006 3:19:53 AM   
    Jellyson



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    I got the Heli-Max MX400Pro and am loving it, except that the spares and bling are far more costly than the TRex stuff, and I seem to be converting it to TRex so I'm calling it a Heli-Rex T-Max 420. Longer carbon tailboom, 325mm TRex blades, Trex SE tail rotor hub&grips, etc.
    I got it originally because of the aluminum frame, low price and some metal in the head. (The heli's, I mean, not mine.) If Align had the SA with an all-metal rotor head, that's what I'd get if I were to do it again.

    for Mato:
    As far as setup goes, the ARK400 in the pix isn't eCCPM but mechanical CCPM like mine. You can download the MX400Pro manual from the HeliMax website and it gives useful info about setup that will apply to your ARK400. Be sure to get the mechanical CCPM version, not the eCCPM.

    Be sure your transmitter isn't trying to use eCCPM for this helicopter! It has a separate pitch servo! Of course you know that! I just love to re-state the obvious! With exclamations!

    The book says use -8 to +8 pitch but I'm using -10 to +10 because I wanted a slower head speed for hover indoors.

    Plug the gyro gain lead into the sixth channel of the receiver, put that channel on one of the toggle switches on the TX and use the travel adjustment in the TX to set the gain. Usually negative values are for the SR mode and positive values are for the Head Hold mode. Use a tail-boom servo mount so it will be easy to make small mechanical trim adjustments by sliding the servo. Adjust the servo position trim (not the radio trim!) so that in SR mode you need zero flight trim to offset torque in a stable hover. Set the rudder sub-trim in the TX so that, in HH mode, the tail blade pitch doesn't drift, or drifts very slowly, from center after quick rudder stick deflections.
    Start at 50% gain in HH mode. Increase the gain a little at a time until the tail twitches back and forth after quick rudder deflections, then back it off a hair. Mine is at 67 percent, with +7 points of rudder sub-trim, and will hover hands-off in SR mode with zero flight rudder trim.
    You should be able to fly at hover in SR mode with little or no rudder flight trim (ideally none) and in HH mode you should need no trim. It may be necessary to add a bit of trim as the battery voltage decays during flight.

    And it is hightly recommended that you get the metal rotor hub to replace the plastic piece on your heli. You don't need the whole head, but the plastic hub is known to be a weak point on these helis.

    Entropy's setup sounds good to me. I'm using Spektrum DX6, 4 HiTec HS65 servos, Align gyro, and the stock HeliMax 2580 kv motor and 30A esc. The HS65 is plenty fast and strong for my tailfeathers and works well with the Align gyro. Did the first flight with TRex 325 mm main blades today (they do need shims to fit the MX blade grips). A noticeable difference--quieter and seemingly more powerful, but more scary too as I cannot see the dark-colored blade tips at all.


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    RE: HeliMax MX400 CCPM heli "build" thread - 11/25/2006 11:18:01 PM   
    Entropy



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    Hey Mato! Yes, the Ark X400 and Heli-Max MX400 are the same. Here are a couple websites that may help with the setup:

    www.x400tuning.com
    www.trextuning.com

    I have the MX450 which has eCCPM, the X400/MX400 has mCCPM...

    DaveH2, well so far I have everything to get it going...haven't flown it yet though. I've made some compromises for the equipment just for sake of getting it going. I bought a Futaba 6EXH which comes with the 3103 servo's which will do for now. I'll be running an Align 430L 4050kv motor with 35A Align ESC, the X model with a TP 2070 Extreme Lipo...I also bought an SJM400 II which I'll put these electronics in once I upgrade the MX450 to the electronics I want. I'm still going to go with the Medusa motor and CC45 ESC but I've decided to put the new Futaba S3154 digital servos on cyclic and the JR DS3400G on the tail. The gyro I purchased ended up being $150 for a CSM 420e...I've heard very good things on this gyro and they're the ones who pioneered HH technology. The servos are very hard to get in so I ended up taking the frame apart to get them in and several screws stripped out. I plan on upgrading to all hex hardware... (Also Heli-Max shorted me a pair of servo nuts!) CSM recommends with the servo at a 90 degree angle that the tail blades have about 8 degrees of pitch to offset the hover but the tail pushrod is nowhere near long enough to do this with the tail servo centered straight up and down...guess I'll have to go with the tail servo boom mounts. Oh well, that what that $40 manufacturers credit's for I guess.

    Also Mato, you should check out Helifrek.com and look for Finless's video on throttle/pitch curves, he actually has quite a few good videos...

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