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.....speaking of the Nats - 10/21/2005 5:24:47 AM   
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It would appear from Ronnieos comments on another thread that the event was successful............ financially this time as well. As long as there isn't a bunch of coin departing our member's pockets, nobody will get too uptight about it. It's when the grandios ideas eclipse good common sense and David Dingwall has to be hired to explain costs/expenses that knickers get knotted.

That aside, (Horray, no apparent major fall-out/controversy related to the event.)

As a point of curiosity from a bystander, How does the likes of Dennis Crooks win the Expert and a "Fun Scale" class? Would that not be a wee bit discouraging to a newcommer from trying/considering competing in those events? Many of the same names show up in All the class standings?
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RE: .....speaking of the Nats - 10/21/2005 1:40:24 PM   
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Think of the thrill the newbie would have flying next to Dennis Crooks and what he would learn.
Perhaps MAAC could assist with the travel costs of these guys to come up to the Nats so that our scale program would grow.

However some weren't all happy about it - from the rc can.
http://www.rccanada.ca/bb/viewtopic.php?t=17087&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30
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Randy we had this discussion at the field. So Once Again, fun scale has two elements, the first is for pilots who have never flown in a nats contest and the second is for the pilots who have flown in a nats contest. The rules are very clear at www.maacnats.ca Fun Scale Advanced for pilots who have flown in a nats, Fun Basic for pilots who have not flown in a nats. This was the turbines very first contest

As for allowing the pilot with the turbine to go to the bottom the starting order, he was actully the last to request this move. Two other pilots with prop jobs requested this first. The judges and the flight line coordinators made the dission to allow the first two so why not the last.

The ten minute rule has absolutely nothing to do with your complaint. The ten minute rule is the flight time each pilot had and no one exceded the time limit.

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Chuck there were more than a few things that were not as per the scale rule book as posted on the MAAC web site. The ten minute rule you used from wheels up was totaly wrong. If you had familiarized yourself with the rule book it states the ten minutes is from the time you start to crank your engine.

Times - Max. 10 min. per flight. (plus 1 min. per extra engine)
Model released for flight in 5 min. (plus 1 min. per extra engine)
Time starts on cranking engine.

Canadian RC Scale Rules Section 2

As far as moving pilots to the back and giving them a second chance this voids any rule as to the time constraint imposed as an official contest and there is no provision for this anywhere in the MAAC Scale Rules period.

Dan Kalopos was one of those with a prop plane who was turned back from the first round and after asking he was told there would be no second chance at a first attempt as this was clearly stated as such in the rule book. Only after your buddy from Robarts had a flame out with his jet did the rule change. He also took longer than the regulation 5 min from the time of first cranking his turbine till the flame out and aborted attempt. Mulligans or the allowing of a pilot and aircraft to rotate to the back of the field when they cannot answer the call has never been part of any Canadian Scale contest I have witnessed. The last two that were held in Tillsonburg there was nothing like that allowed.

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RE: .....speaking of the Nats - 10/21/2005 3:02:49 PM   
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As a point of curiosity from a bystander, How does the likes of Dennis Crooks win the Expert and a "Fun Scale" class? Would that not be a wee bit discouraging to a newcommer from trying/considering competing in those events? Many of the same names show up in All the class standings?


You obviously miss the point of competition events


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RE: .....speaking of the Nats - 10/21/2005 3:43:44 PM   
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Just imagine what it would feel like for that newby to win against a well repsected modeller....

People who don't compete seem to think it's about winning. For most of us it's not. It's about pushing your own limits, and measuring the result. It's about camaraderie and learning. It's about innovation and perseverence. It's about adrenaline and mental preparation. It's about accomplishment and pride in something done very well. You won't get it unless you step up to the plate. Winning is just iceing on a very nice cake. Very nice if accomplished but, the cake is not diminished by it's lack.

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RE: .....speaking of the Nats - 10/21/2005 5:07:28 PM   
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I dig your concepts, but isn't that why you have "expert" catagories so that the novice can smooze and learn from the high-end competition as opposed to meeting it head on at entry levels? Shouldn't fairness to the competitors enter the equasion?

Is there not some form of a system in place that forces the top competitors at each level to move to the next after winning/placing to stop the hardware hunters from perpetually keeping newbees out of the placings?

You can say what you want about this "pure" concept of competition which is all that is needed to satisfy the competitor, but I doubt most feel that way and may be a cause of the lack of interest in the higher competitve levels? If a novice has to show up with a "top-gun" quality aircraft for basic and novice levels to seriously compete...............what's the point of the levels? That doesn't even begin to touch on "name" factor influencing judge's scores.

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RE: .....speaking of the Nats - 10/21/2005 5:26:03 PM   
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I am thinking I would like to participate in some form of competition Would I like to compete against an expert or the like, not likely. Would I like to fly with him after the category, hell yes!
I can see both sides though. As a new participant my hopes of winning would not be too high

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RE: .....speaking of the Nats - 10/21/2005 6:35:39 PM   
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I think I'm in agreement.
Theoretically, there should be some way to ensure that newbies can compete on a somewhat even ground. However, I can see how it would be difficult to ensure this is the case.
OTOH, the braging rights about actually competing against someone of well known calibre are quite good too.

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RE: .....speaking of the Nats - 10/21/2005 7:34:10 PM   
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.....in my world, bragging rights go to those who win.

.........or is it "breathing rights"?

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RE: .....speaking of the Nats - 10/21/2005 8:55:39 PM   
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Sad.

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RE: .....speaking of the Nats - 10/21/2005 9:13:00 PM   
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lol, you're too stiff Jim.

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RE: .....speaking of the Nats - 10/21/2005 9:17:49 PM   
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Hey! Only my wife is permitted to make that observation.

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RE: .....speaking of the Nats - 10/21/2005 10:37:33 PM   
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.much better.

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RE: .....speaking of the Nats - 10/22/2005 5:24:43 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sharpy01

It would appear from Ronnieos comments on another thread that the event was successful............ financially this time as well. As long as there isn't a bunch of coin departing our member's pockets, nobody will get too uptight about it. It's when the grandios ideas eclipse good common sense and David Dingwall has to be hired to explain costs/expenses that knickers get knotted.

That aside, (Horray, no apparent major fall-out/controversy related to the event.)

As a point of curiosity from a bystander, How does the likes of Dennis Crooks win the Expert and a "Fun Scale" class? Would that not be a wee bit discouraging to a newcommer from trying/considering competing in those events? Many of the same names show up in All the class standings?



Due to the Nats success.... Do I hear yer stereotypical taunt "there's nothing to see here folks..kindly move on"?

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