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RE: aeromodelling across canada - now from where i com... - 10/26/2005 5:12:34 PM   
Sharpy01



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Gee, I wonder who these people are.... I wonder if it would be the same ones who continue to post this tripe in every forum they haven't been kicked out of yet.... maybe you can save your response for RCCanada eh Kenny? ... oops sorry ... forgot ... you can't, why is that again?


....you being mean again Jim? Be nice, that hurts my feelings too, cause I'm in that doghouse as well.



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RE: aeromodelling across canada - now from where i com... - 10/26/2005 5:35:49 PM   
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RE: aeromodelling across canada - now from where i com... - 10/26/2005 5:44:59 PM   
Sharpy01



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RE: aeromodelling across canada - now from where i com... - 10/26/2005 6:16:43 PM   
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We are not too far apart in our thinking at this point. I was not using free flight as anything but an example. The point that I was making was that people who sport fly will do what the locals do. When I fly RC (and I do) I fit in with our local club. The competition flyers are in a different league. They tend to stick with one discipline, if not for ever, certainly for protracted periods of time. Hence immigration is a factor in that set of circumstances. I am not exaggerating when I say that the immigration factor has had a profound effect on our competition scene.

I have also faced bulls, as well as "gators" in a Florida waterway, while retrieving errant free flight models. Why do I fly free flight? I consider it an art form and love to watch my creations drift on the air. There is a serene peacefulness involved.

Let it again be stressed that I realize that the active competition flyers are the minority within MAAC. It could be argued that they have a disproportionately loud voice. It could also be argued that they do a disproportionate amount of the work. Arguments of this type draw a veil over the key point, and that is that MAAC is an organization for all modellers and we do have to try to satisfy all needs as far as possible. Some people will never be satisfied until their own particular interests are the only ones considered. Others will sigh and put up with whatever happens, regardless of whether or not it is fair.

My comment about the "governing voice" was appropriate. The Governing voices of all sport aviation associations in Canada belong to ACC and we would be foolish to ignore that. I will give full credit to Wayne Bransfield for advancing our involvement with Transport Canada, and starting our involvement with the Radio Advisory Board of Canada. As Shakespeare put it: "the evil that men do lives after them, the good is oft interred with their bones". In the case of Wayne Bransfield and Pierre Trudeau, the reverse seems to be the case! Wayne looks better in retrospect than he did at the time.

As Con. Com. chairman, I am currently working closely with Industry Canada on Bylaw revisions. Our "legal" bylaws date back to the fifties!
It behoves us to work in close cooperation with all the organizations and authorities whose operations affect us; Wayne recognized that, and he was right in that regard.

Cheers

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RE: aeromodelling across canada - now from where i com... - 10/26/2005 6:32:50 PM   
Sharpy01



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Status: offline 		............ahhhhhh, Richard.

We've reached a milestone in our many discussions.

I've got nothing to argue with. Finally, you seel things my way..........LOL......kidding, kidding.

......Hang On! Just a second. You did leave a tidbit to take a run at.

Pierre (I did a wonderful job of further dividing Canada) Trudeau and Wayne Bransfield in the same sentence!

Please....................I like Wayne.

and another thing:

"There is a serene peacefulness involved" ........yeah, baby. I get the same feeling at the field. Even when there isn't a plane in the air. I only wish it were more.

By the way, I hope nobody wasted their money on 649 cause as my teen-agers say, "I called it".

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RE: aeromodelling across canada - now from where i com... - 10/26/2005 6:37:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sharpy01
....you being mean again Jim? Be nice, that hurts my feelings too, cause I'm in that doghouse as well.


Just my way of correcting another anachronism my friend.

... and, I'd assumed you were let back in the house, haven't I seen you posting there recently?


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RE: aeromodelling across canada - now from where i com... - 10/26/2005 6:48:52 PM   
Sharpy01



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Sent me to my favourite site again, Dictionary.com

a·nach·ro·nism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-nkr-nzm)
n.
1. The representation of someone as existing or something as happening in other than chronological, proper, or historical order.

2.One that is out of its proper or chronological order, especially a person or practice that belongs to an earlier time: “A new age had plainly dawned, an age that made the institution of a segregated picnic seem an anachronism” (Henry Louis Gates, Jr.).

dang, this place is educational to................ Ya see that Syd!

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RE: aeromodelling across canada - now from where i com... - 10/26/2005 7:16:40 PM   
DSLarkin


 

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No, I never said Immigration was a major reason. Your term micro reason is perhaps more appropriate. It's just one of very many factors why you tend to find more diversity around Toronto and Vancouver, than say, here around Picton. This is a rich hobby with lots of different ways to enjoy it. Could we have a little commentary without distortion?

I don't think nostalgia is an appropriate term, except for vintage and SAM. We are talking about current, high tech forms of modelling where there is always a new challenge. New materials, new concepts (unfolding wings), really high performance engines, electronic timers - not exactly nostalgia.

Ken has a bee in his bonnet about the Aero Club affaire. The facts are very simple:

- There was a problem funding the ACC after Transport Canada withdrew its funding.
- For a number of reasons the Canadian aerosport community wasn't getting its act together to sort this out. MAAC had a big responsibility as we are the major group within the ACC,
- The MAAC president threw up his hands in disgust and (somewhat illegally) withdrew our membership. I can understand his frustration, but it wasn't exactly helpful
- A few of us got together and worked with the other associations to develop a solution from the various ideas people were starting to float.
- Once everybody was working together it wasn't hard to come up with a proposal.
- All the associations bought off on it and the MAAC Board voted to rejoin on the terms that had been developed.
- With the revised fee schedule everybody paid a little more to replace the DOT funding. In our case it was about 75cents.

If the four Zone Directors hadn't worked on the problem, it would not have been solved for a while, and might have cost MAAC a great deal. No other Zone Director (and nobody on the MAAC Executive) worked on a solution. If you think you did, Ken, lets hear about the particulars. But you were quite happy for MAAC to be out of the ACC.

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RE: aeromodelling across canada - now from where i com... - 10/26/2005 7:28:15 PM   
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I'm afraid to say that "sport" in maac is leading to MAAC's demise, no quorum in SE zone is an indication of this.

The majority of members fly recreationaly, although some will try to down play this there is a big difference between sport and recreation, maac does not project the image as an recreational organization, it does not yet have a recreational culture or image.

This is dangerous for MAAC's survival since the majority of members are recreational based, having maac as an sport organization when the majority practice a recreational activity could be considered corporate suicide.

There is room for a competitive element in maac but the culture in the maac has to change to reflect it's membership core.

There are recreational aircraft associations too ...http://www.raa.ca/

Accept the fact that the majority join for the insurance then build on that if you wish a strong organization but never forget for one second that if no insurance then no maac.

Simply said, for maac to survive and grow, maac has to connect with the majority, there will be some losses and some gains as maac continues to evolve if it survives.




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RE: aeromodelling across canada - now from where i co... - 10/26/2005 7:39:04 PM   
kenair


 

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thae executive at that time was working on a plan and the board was kept informed.
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If the four Zone Directors hadn't worked on the problem, it would not have been solved for a while, and might have cost MAAC a great deal


I'm afraid Dave that your actions have cost MAAC your actions the tone on how the board interacts since then and how the past maac presidents have been treated since your actions.

some patience cou;d have been shown at that time let the board deal with this issue, solutions were being develop and solutions take time but it guess you had to do it your way, looking back what did it accomplish in the big picture for maac.

Growth is stangnant, zone meetings are poorly attended, Nats irregular, at some FAI team trials it may be who shows up makes the team or no team is recommended, Scale 2002 loses $60K.

Sorry to say Dave, you may have made the right move for your own interest group but the wrong move for maac. time will tell.

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RE: aeromodelling across canada - now from where i com... - 10/26/2005 7:46:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kenair

Hi Richard,
I'm afraid to say that "sport" in maac is leading to MAAC's demise, no quorum in SE zone is an indication of this.

The majority of members fly recreationaly, although some will try to down play this there is a big difference between sport and recreation, maac does not project the image as an recreational organization, it does not yet have a recreational culture or image.

This is dangerous for MAAC's survival since the majority of members are recreational based, having maac as an sport organization when the majority practice a recreational activity could be considered corporate suicide.

There is room for a competitive element in maac but the culture in the maac has to change to reflect it's membership core.

There are recreational aircraft associations too ...http://www.raa.ca/

Accept the fact that the majority join for the insurance then build on that if you wish a strong organization but never forget for one second that if no insurance then no maac.

Simply said, for maac to survive and grow, maac has to connect with the majority, there will be some losses and some gains as maac continues to evolve if it survives.





Curious old keeeny boy that if sport is leading to maaax demise why your website is called "sportrc" LOL

Maybe you should have called it "recreationrc" instead rather than contributing to the demise of maaac


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RE: aeromodelling across canada - now from where i co... - 10/26/2005 7:49:22 PM   
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... Grwoth is stangnant, zone meetings are poorly attended, Nats irregular, FAI team trials now to the point, who shows up makes the team, Scale 2002 loses $60K....


Wow! Dave, you're more powerful than I'd imagined. Were you responsible for SARS too? Loved SARSStock, thanks man.

Ken, I can't ignore your iboldfaced lie. I can personally attest to the fact since I ran a trials in 2003 for the 2004 F4C team ... and didn't recommend anyone.


... and I guess Golf is failing because they promote it as a sport instead of a recreational pastime too?


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RE: aeromodelling across canada - now from where i co... - 10/26/2005 8:25:15 PM   
kenair


 

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I can personally attest to the fact since I ran a trials in 2003 for the 2004 F4C team ... and didn't recommend anyone.


could this have possibility happened or is it a myth. sorry Jim, I take your word on this and will correct my earlier post.

But wasn't the reason for spending a large sum of maac cash on Scale 2002 because there is this huge interest in competitive scale and maac would reap the rewards of Scale 2002 for years to come.

If I might add, there is a huge insterest in scale aeromodelling in Canada, just not in competition, too bad, I miss that but things change and life must go on.

There were some great scale models at the Gimli Air Fest so scale aero modelling is alive and well.
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