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hitec optic 6 flaparon question - 10/24/2005 5:57:56 AM

Brian_in_IN

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Hello,
I'm settting up my first airplane in my New Hitec Optic 6 radio. I'm setting it up with the flaparons inabled. But when I do this, the flaps control on the top right of the radio has the neutral in the middle and the ailerons work both up and down. To me, this isnt a good thing. I thought I might be able to set it up where the flaps only go down and not up, but when I do that, then the ailerons dont go up either. Is there a way to do this properly?? If I use them as they are now, how will I know when I have the flaps control set where the ailerons are in the neutral position after it takes off???

Thanks in advance.

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RE: hitec optic 6 flaparon question - 10/25/2005 1:00:11 AM

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If I understand your needs you want to use flaperons, correct? Or are you only interested in the dual channel function to utilize ailerons?

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RE: hitec optic 6 flaparon question - 10/25/2005 2:38:52 AM

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Yes, I want to use flaparons.

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RE: hitec optic 6 flaparon question - 10/26/2005 5:31:37 AM

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Gee, I thought I would have got a quicker responce then this. Is my question that hard to answer?? Or is this problem not one that has been incountered before?? Please respond with something.

Thanks.

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RE: hitec optic 6 flaparon question - 10/26/2005 5:39:39 AM

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We can't always provide immediate gratification; sorry...One day turnaround per inquiry isn't all that bad is it?

I believe you can limit the EPA in the flaperon travel mode in one direction; I'll have to pull my Optic and give it a try. Give me 30 minutes or so and I'll be back with an answer.

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RE: hitec optic 6 flaparon question - 10/26/2005 6:01:01 AM

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When you describe the "the flaps control on the top right of the radio has the neutral in the middle and the ailerons work both up and down" are you describing the slider on the right side of the TX? I'm not having the problem you describe...

Please list the specific TX settings you have employed...

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RE: hitec optic 6 flaparon question - 10/26/2005 6:39:05 AM

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Sorry if I seemed impatient.

I am a member of several yahoo groups and I guess I'm just used to a response in minutes or hours instead of a day. Of course I didnt really expect a reply after midnight here where I'm at.

Yes, I'm referring to the slider on the right side of the radio. With flaperons activated, the ailerons are in the neutral postion with the slider in the middle of its travel. If I slide it all the way 1 way, the flaps move up from neutral, if I slide it all the way the other way, the ailerons move down from their neutral postion. And I only want the ailerons to move down, not up, but cant find a way to set it that way. I will have to get back to you on all the settings employed tomorrow, as I'm having a hard time keeping my eyes open now.

Thanks for the reply.

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RE: hitec optic 6 flaparon question - 10/27/2005 4:46:07 AM

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OK Heres my settings in the optic 6

model 1
mode 2
ppm
acgl
cap2-23

epa ch1 l/u 40%
epa ch1r/d 40%
epa ch2 both 100%
epa ch6 l/u 40%
epa ch6 r/d 40%
ailv inh
mx.ss default
pmx2 inh
pmx1 inh
crow inh
e>f inh
a>r inh
vtal inh
elvn inh
land inh
camb inh
adif inh
flpn on
fplt ch6 100
stck default
t.cut -50%
strm all 0%
exp all 0%
d/r 1,2,&4 100%

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RE: hitec optic 6 flaparon question - 10/27/2005 6:00:45 AM

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When your in the "FLPN" screen you can change FLAPERON end-points by scrolling the cursor "<>" keys for channel 1, 6 and 6 as flaps. Note the arrows above the 1&6 there are three screens for this function; each individual servo 1&6 and both servos as flaps “6”. What are the percentages here? Remember there are % throws in both directions L/U and R/D on channels 1&6 and only and one % on flaps or both servos as flaps.

With my TX the flap slider works from the aileron neutral in one direction only. You may simply have mistakenly set-up and centered your servos arms with the slider in the mid position. Try moving the slider all the way UP in one direction and recentering the ailerons servos/surfaces by removing the servo arms and reinstalling them with the servo output shafts recentered at the neutral position.

Why are you not using servo sub-trims to center and match your surfaces? The TRIM buttons on the TX should only be used for flight trimming.

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RE: hitec optic 6 flaparon question - 10/27/2005 3:42:00 PM

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quote:

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Why are you not using servo sub-trims to center and match your surfaces? The TRIM buttons on the TX should only be used for flight trimming.

Because I center all my servos by hooking up the servo to the reciever first, then adjust the control surface to be centered with the servo. I did this with the aileron servos too before I activated the flaperons function, so I know the servos and control surfaces are centered together.

I will get back to you on the other after I try the adjustment.

Thanks.

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RE: hitec optic 6 flaparon question - 10/27/2005 4:07:32 PM

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ORIGINAL: mglavin

When your in the "FLPN" screen you can change FLAPERON end-points by scrolling the cursor "<>" keys for channel 1, 6 and 6 as flaps. Note the arrows above the 1&6 there are three screens for this function; each individual servo 1&6 and both servos as flaps “6”. What are the percentages here? Remember there are % throws in both directions L/U and R/D on channels 1&6 and only and one % on flaps or both servos as flaps.

OK My settings while in the flpn screen are as follows. if I have an arrow before the number, that means the arrow is over the number, and if its after the number, that means the arrow is below the number.

settings in >1< r/d & l/u 100%
flpn screen >1,6< r/d & l/u 100%
>6< 90%
1<>6 90%

So if I dont want the ailerons to move upward as flaps, where will the arrows be and what will the setting be?? ie .. arrows above and below 6, and 0% ????

Thanks.

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RE: hitec optic 6 flaparon question - 10/28/2005 2:52:09 AM

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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: mglavin
Why are you not using servo sub-trims to center and match your surfaces? The TRIM buttons on the TX should only be used for flight trimming.

Because I center all my servos by hooking up the servo to the reciever first, then adjust the control surface to be centered with the servo. I did this with the aileron servos too before I activated the flaperons function, so I know the servos and control surfaces are centered together.

I will get back to you on the other after I try the adjustment.

Thanks.

This approach works but typically creates non-linear travel arcs. If you were to put a throw meter on the surfaces you'd likely find a disparaging difference with up and down travel volumes. Utilizing sub-trim and causing the servo arm to be perpendicular to the hinge line often remedies this problem or in some cases the servo arm being offset several degrees in one direction form perpendicular solves the problem.

With all your EPA %'s as you noted above the scenario I mention above likely exists.

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RE: hitec optic 6 flaparon question - 10/28/2005 2:58:30 AM

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quote:

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quote:

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When your in the "FLPN" screen you can change FLAPERON end-points by scrolling the cursor "<>" keys for channel 1, 6 and 6 as flaps. Note the arrows above the 1&6 there are three screens for this function; each individual servo 1&6 and both servos as flaps “6”. What are the percentages here? Remember there are % throws in both directions L/U and R/D on channels 1&6 and only and one % on flaps or both servos as flaps.

OK My settings while in the flpn screen are as follows. if I have an arrow before the number, that means the arrow is over the number, and if its after the number, that means the arrow is below the number.

settings in >1< r/d & l/u 100%
flpn screen >1,6< r/d & l/u 100%
>6< 90%
1<>6 90%

So if I dont want the ailerons to move upward as flaps, where will the arrows be and what will the setting be?? ie .. arrows above and below 6, and 0% ????

Thanks.

I duplicated all your programmed parameters with my Optic 6 and I do not have the flap up condition you’re experiencing. Let’s eliminate the variable associated with the flap slider position. Move the slider all the way up and re-center the servos arms and see what happens.

Your EPA settings for aileron/flap at 40% seem rather LOW? What kind of model is this?

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RE: hitec optic 6 flaparon question - 10/28/2005 4:34:44 AM

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I duplicated all your programmed parameters with my Optic 6 and I do not have the flap up condition you’re experiencing. Let’s eliminate the variable associated with the flap slider position. Move the slider all the way up and re-center the servos arms and see what happens.

Your EPA settings for aileron/flap at 40% seem rather LOW? What kind of model is this?

I am using the ailerons for flaps, I dont have flaps. Seems to me that if I setup the servos as you say, then my servos wont be in their natural neutral position. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I dont think my servos have 180 degrees of rotation, so if I start out with them turned partially one way, then they will have more travel one way then the other, and also might hit the stop when going the way that they are past center??? And with less then 180 degrees rotation, how can I get the servo horn to be perpendicular to the control surface hinge?? My servos have never been able to turn 180 degrees. My plane is a .46 Cap 232 and can be seen in my gallery pics at http://www.rcuniverse.com/community/profile.cfm?section=gallery&memid=42412 .... Now remember, the Optic 6 is new to me and this is the first plane I am setting up in it. I had a Focus 4 and Focus 6 before this radio, so this is all new to me. I have the manual, but it is a bear to follow when you're first learning. And just for the record, it does great at telling how to program it, but lacks in telling how to use it. ie ... the 3 different flight modes, where in the manual does it cover what you can do with this??
I adjusted the epa for the ailerons to 40% because they have ALOT of throw and this is my first aerobatic plane, and I dont want it to be so sensitive where I am over "steering" for lack of a better term. SO I figure I can fly it like this, get used to it, and then adjust the epa higher as I gain experience. Sound like a good idea??. well enough for now. I'll reply again with more later.

Brian

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