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Best racers banned in Sacramento - 10/27/2005 6:24:01 PM   
John Casey


 

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Status: offline 		For those of you that attended The sacramento Big kahuna Classic...

The best pylon warbird race pilots were banned from attending the race.

SAM Bronze race champion John Casey... "The Rhino driver"
and Sam Gold race Champion Jeff Weiss

If they don't like you they just shoot you down....

politics really sucks
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RE: Best racers banned in Sacramento - 10/27/2005 7:55:27 PM   
hattend



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Status: offline 		What did they do?

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RE: Best racers banned in Sacramento - 10/27/2005 9:07:26 PM   
Lifes a Drag



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Status: offline 		Banned or disqualified?

I would think banned would be from being caught cheating too many times....

What happened? Maybe a misunderstanding?

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RE: Best racers banned in Sacramento - 10/29/2005 11:08:03 PM   
crashdude


 

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Status: offline 		Banned? Or maybe EXPELLED from the SAM club for unsportsmanlike conduct. I think Expelled is a fact.

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RE: Best racers banned in Sacramento - 10/31/2005 11:41:19 AM   
luv to race


 

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smoke

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RE: Best racers banned in Sacramento - 10/31/2005 2:18:33 PM   
hattend



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Again...What did they do?

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RE: Best racers banned in Sacramento - 10/31/2005 3:15:40 PM   
Lifes a Drag



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quote:

ORIGINAL: John Casey

For those of you that attended The sacramento Big kahuna Classic...

The best pylon warbird race pilots were banned from attending the race.

SAM Bronze race champion John Casey... "The Rhino driver"
and Sam Gold race Champion Jeff Weiss

If they don't like you they just shoot you down....

politics really sucks



So John,

Was this a hook or were you just blowing off some steam publicly?

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RE: Best racers banned in Sacramento - 11/4/2005 10:22:45 PM   
John Casey


 

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Status: offline 		If the club gangleaders can't beat you voting, can't build better than you, fly better that you, they just come up with a
Bs reason and write up a termination letter.

I was terminated after calling for the dismissal of the board, because
they stole $1300 of the clubs money to indemify themselvesjust prior to terminating my membership along with a founding father of the club and Jeff weiss a hobby shop owner.

What should have happened was "A VOTE" by the membership.

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RE: Best racers banned in Sacramento - 11/5/2005 4:37:37 AM   
Bill Vargas



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quote:

ORIGINAL: John Casey

If the club gangleaders can't beat you voting, can't build better than you, fly better that you, they just come up with a
Bs reason and write up a termination letter.

I was terminated after calling for the dismissal of the board, because
they stole $1300 of the clubs money to indemify themselvesjust prior to terminating my membership along with a founding father of the club and Jeff weiss a hobby shop owner.

What should have happened was "A VOTE" by the membership.


What is their reason for this $1300.00 that they compensated themselves for? Was it something for the field?

BV

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RE: Best racers banned in Sacramento - 11/8/2005 1:42:47 AM   
Tony Pacini


 

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From: Prescott Valley, AZ, USA
Status: offline 		Our Arizona group ran into some similar situations at that club.

One year we showed up with Nelson-powered NE-1s (warbird/recon version of the Piper Cub), trophied in Gold, and were promptly told that they wouldn't be allowed the following year ("they're not warbirds" .

We showed up the next year with T-34s. Definitely a warbird, right? Using YS .91s and fixed-geared aircraft we again took some of the top trophy spots even though most of them were flying 1.20-powered birds with retracts. We were later notified that the T-34s, too, had been outlawed. Their definition of a warbird has evolved to "must have left the factory in mass numbers armed with guns or capable of dropping bombs" or something to that effect. In essence anything with a "T" designation (trainers) would no longer be allowed.

The next year they announced that the engines had to be able to idle below a certain RPM figure for so many seconds before being allowed to take off. Most of us showed up with Mustangs (kind of tough to outlaw them in a warbird race) but a few of us were told that "technically" our "Miss Ashley II" models didn't fit the defitinition of the warbird rule. Let's forget that this is a warbird race that is supposed to be patterned after the full-scale races in Reno, and that MAII was developed specifically for that class of racing. They let us fly them, but only after letting us know that yes, again, we were on the verge of breaking the rules.

It became painfully obvious that their new rules seemed to be aimed at us and because they couldn't beat us they decided to outlaw our equipment.

We haven't been back in a couple of years, either.

< Message edited by T-pacini -- 11/8/2005 1:46:23 AM >

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RE: Best racers banned in Sacramento - 11/8/2005 3:32:03 AM   
BasinBum



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quote:

ORIGINAL: John Casey

If the club gangleaders can't beat you voting, can't build better than you, fly better that you, they just come up with a
Bs reason and write up a termination letter.

I was terminated after calling for the dismissal of the board, because
they stole $1300 of the clubs money to indemify themselvesjust prior to terminating my membership along with a founding father of the club and Jeff weiss a hobby shop owner.

What should have happened was "A VOTE" by the membership.



I'm sure there is another side to this story, your's has a bunch of holes in it.

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RE: Best racers banned in Sacramento - 11/8/2005 3:39:28 AM   
daven



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Status: offline 		I have been keeping a pretty good eye on this thread, as I am concerend about it blowing up into personal attacks. Up to this point, it has been VERY civil.

If everyone wants to keep this thing up, lets keep it that way. Personally, I'm curious as to what happened.

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RE: Best racers banned in Sacramento - 11/8/2005 6:51:55 AM   
Jim Wolfe


 

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Status: offline 		Hi guys !
I did a little Google searching, and came up with this. http://www.sacramento-rc-flyers.org/newsletter.html Start reading somewhere around the April/04 newsletter. Might help explain some of whats going on here.
Jim

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RE: Best racers banned in Sacramento - 11/9/2005 12:14:26 AM   
kf6gub


 

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Status: offline 		Surprise! Surprise! I used to be with Sacramento Area Modelers until I moved to Austin, Tx, a month or so ago. I've never read the newsletters before; I joined the club last November. They will make interesting reading for me. Nice part is I can put a face to several of the characters--but not that many. Still, interesting reading. thx Jim

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RE: Best racers banned in Sacramento - 11/9/2005 1:03:38 AM   
HighPlains


 

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quote:

"technically" our "Miss Ashley II" models didn't fit the defitinition of the warbird rule.


I believe that is true, the Miss Ashley was a H model Mustang fuselage built from scratch with a Lear wing and tail. So it really isn't a "warbird". Reno doesn't require warbirds, just pistons and props.

I read the newsletters - interesting, but a lot of details left out/vague.

quote:

$1300 of the clubs money to indemify themselvesjust


This was no doubt to protect the assets of the board members, since there were so many people (ex-members (people thrown out of the club)) suing the club. Prudent.

The club meetings sounded like fun. Being thown out by security guards from the people that let the club use the room three meetings in a row must be some kind of record.

Having the flying site unavailable for a month (closed by the AMA?) because of people shooting people down with radios. Mature behavor.

It looks like the club membership has dropped by about 30 members. Was it worth it?

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RE: Best racers banned in Sacramento - 11/9/2005 1:23:26 AM   
Bill Vargas



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Status: offline 		Certianly a bummer for those that got shot down and I kinda doubt we'll ever know what really happened.

BV

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RE: Best racers banned in Sacramento - 11/9/2005 1:28:09 AM   
Tony Pacini


 

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Status: offline 		Yes, the MAII wasn't a warbird but she was built for and did race at Reno. The SAM warbird racing rules were adopted from the SWRA event, and the SWRA rules allowed models of purpose-built aircraft for closed course racing. SAM just started removing the rules they didn't like, and evidently this might have been one of them. It's absolutely their right to do so, but the original event was meant to capture the spirit and excitement of Reno-style unlimited racing. I can't imagine how allowing aircraft like the MAII, Tsunami, Pond Racer, etc. could possibly hurt a warbird racing event. It's seems like they're more concerned with being able to legislate themselves into the trophy positions than they are with the actual event itself.

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RE: Best racers banned in Sacramento - 11/9/2005 1:44:56 AM   
HighPlains


 

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