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RE: AeroWorks Edge 540T 46-60? - 9/19/2006 6:04 PM   
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Where does the pull-pull cable exit the fuse on the left side?

The hole is there, unless they forgot to put it in on your plane. I used thin music wire and pushed it through the guide tube from the inside until it poked the covering at the exit hole.
I've been flying mine for about 3 weeks now and it is one of my favorite planes now. So stable on low rates, flats spins are awesome. I can definately learn new tricks on this plane, but it will take some time. Landings were fast at 1st, but then I realized how slow the plane will actually go. I guess with such a light wing loading, it's no surprise. I didn't know about the reinforcement of the wing saddle area. I may do this. The landing gear has bent some, which I heard was common. Most times, I can grease it in. Here's a pic:
I added some decals and painted the canopy. Tower 75 for power.

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RE: AeroWorks Edge 540T 46-60? - 9/19/2006 7:12 PM   
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Can you explain that former/reinforcement a little better? Do you have a picture?

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RE: AeroWorks Edge 540T 46-60? - 9/19/2006 8:06 PM   
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sorry I do not have pics of the built up area, but basically right at the leading edge of the wing saddle where the landing gear is attached is a very, very, very weak area, it is in fact a BUTT joint at that former and I have seen several of these snap in half on much more than a bumpy landing. Strengthening the sides of the plane from about mid way of the wing saddle forward past the leading edged area on both sides greatly strengthens that weak construction, but to do that you must cut a gap in that former to slip light ply against the sides of the fuse. Several people have flown my bird and a few have slammed it onto the runway and it soaks it right up now. This butt joint at the former from what I have seen on the few that have seperated shown almost no sign of glue in that joint. Sorry I don't have the ability to post pics, but trust me, you need ply running in a unbroken length from mid way of the wing saddle all the way up into the first former. It's a great plane don't get me wrong and I have over eighty flights on mine, but it is weak at the leading edge. This will add just a few little ounces and afford lots of strength.

A new brain storm seems that my problem with wing dropping could be in a bad "Y" connector for the aileron servos,, so when I get back from the Bahamas next week I'll throw that out and program channels one and six and get rid of that dog to see if that fixs my situation. I'll post back and let you know how that works next week.

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RE: AeroWorks Edge 540T 46-60? - 9/19/2006 8:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's what I did on mine. Rock solid:
I cut a slot in the former so the reinforcement plate could go all the way through. I then plugged the cutouts in the plywood fuse sides with the supplied balsa from the addendum so that I had a flat surface to work with. Then I determined the shape that the reinforcement would need to be so that it would slide in and out easily when I go to install it, yet still have excellent structural strength. The materials used are 6oz. carbon fiber cloth sandwiched by the fuse side, obviously, and 1/32" birch ply plate. I then impregnated the CF with epoxy (stuff I used was epon 828, which is aircraft industrial resin, but Z-poxy finishing resin or any laminating resin with at least 30-45 minutes of working tome will do). When I impregnate fibers, I do it in between two pieces of vaccuum-bagging plastic sheets, but plastic from something like a Ziplock storage bag should work, too. The reason behind this is twofold; it allows you to use a squeegy (or credit card) to evenly and thinly impregnate the resin without disturbing the fiber's orientation, and it also allowed me to remove one side of the plastic sheet when I went to asemble it to the fuse, while the other sheet, still stuck on the cloth, helped to maintain it's shape, ease installation, and make less of a mess.
So, you now have your CF impregnated, your 1/32 ply sheet cut and test-fit, all the clamping devices you will need (should only need 2 suitable c-clamps or quickgrips) as well as load distributing blocks (pieces of stiff wood that will go under the clamp's feet on both the outside of the fuse and the inside of the fuse) and some spare plastic sheet. The blocks on the inside should be big enough to cover almost the entire area of the reinforcement plate. The plastic sheet should be placed in between the blocks and the reinforcement plate to prevent any excess epoxy from gluing the blocks in!
Now, take your impregnated CF and remove one side of the plastic. lay your fuse on it's side so that the reinforcement you are assembling is on top. This is so that, when you slide the CF through the slot in the former, it will want to fall away from the fuse and not want to stick to it until you're ready. Once it is in place, press it against the fuse side and then take a razor blade to lift the other piece of plastic off - DO NOT FORGET THIS STEP! (ask me how I know!). Then spread a VERY thin layer of resin onto the plywood plate and carefully slide it in place. Once in place, clamp it as mentioned and walk away. You will likely have to do one at a time, due to the 30 minute potlife of most resins, for one, and because the clamps that are now in plce might be in your way.
After it cured, I put that piece of tristock in, on both sides of the former, with some thick CA and that's it.
It looks/sounds like a 2-day project, but it really only took ma a half-day, and believe me, it is WAY more effective than the supplied addendum. I hope this helps, and you might be able to get away with just a piece of 3mm birch ply instead of the thin ply/cloth method I used, but it will likely be a tad heavier...the real key to doing it this way is that you have a solid piece of material going over the weak area instead of having it on only one side of the weak area, which is basically what the addendum does.

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RE: AeroWorks Edge 540T 46-60? - 9/20/2006 6:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks to bikermonkey and bodywerks for the great input on reinforcing the fuse.

This really helps.

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RE: AeroWorks Edge 540T 46-60? - 9/26/2006 4:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Finally last friday i flew my Edge, it's a great plane, i mount a saito 100 NIB, the flight performance it's great, i did hovers, flats spins, knife edge and the basic maneuvers and the plane no have problems to do it in the first flight, well. i lost a canopy dowel and one of the canopy screw. the next friday i try to take some video and i upload soon.

here is a pair of pics after the first flight, i made a little modification to the trim scheme.

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RE: AeroWorks Edge 540T 46-60? - 9/26/2006 8:14 PM   
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congratulations on your maiden voyage being such a success.
I may have isolated my issue with the dropping wing, Could be the "Y" connector for the aielerons causing a blip, it's the only thing that has went unchecked or replaced. I will toss it out and program my radio for channels one and six eleminating the need for the connector and take one more test flight this weekend. If that isn't it I'm back to being stumped.

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RE: AeroWorks Edge 540T 46-60? - 10/2/2006 1:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		LuisCastillo- Nice looking plane, and sounds like the maiden flight went well.

Bodywerks- Any update on the electric setup? Steve

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RE: AeroWorks Edge 540T 46-60? - 10/2/2006 3:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		I went with a 17X8E and the power is good enough for hovering and decent pull out. It doesn't pull out like my 125 did, but it is smoother and more reliable. Still does all the wicked tumbles and such quite well. All in all, I like it, but I would like to see how it would do with 1200-1400 watts of power. I estimate about 1000-1050 watts right now.

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RE: AeroWorks Edge 540T 46-60? - 10/2/2006 2:30 PM   
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cool little tip on canopy screws. if you get a small piece of fuel tubing. or neoprene tubing fit it over the end of the screw with a washer on top. drill your fuselage to the size of the fuel tubing. done. the fuel tubing will expand when tightened and grab the walls of the fuselage and also put pressure on the screw so it won't come loose. it's also easier to put the screw in the blind nut. plus you won't crush the outside of the fuselage if you tighten it too much. someone showed me and I've been using it since.

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RE: AeroWorks Edge 540T 46-60? - 10/2/2006 10:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Did you drill clear through the fuse for the fuel tubing? Or are you talking about like a "counter-sink" hole? Good idea either way.

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RE: AeroWorks Edge 540T 46-60? - 10/3/2006 12:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		straight through. just big enough that the tubing fits through. it will compress up against the canopy then expand. you might have to experiment on the length of tubing. I've never had one come loose.

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RE: AeroWorks Edge 540T 46-60? - 10/3/2006 2:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'll have to try that. My fuse balsa beneath the canopy screw is pretty flat now, and I wondered if it was ever tight enough. Haven't tried it though as I am still working on getting my 100 tuned.

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RE: AeroWorks Edge 540T 46-60? - 10/17/2006 4:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		What 3D Props is everyone using for this plane using a Saito 100? I originally had an ST G-90 but ran into problems getting it to run reliably (currently it is being checked out by ST). So I decided to throw in the Saito 100 as I originally was going to do but I am not sure what 3D prop to go with. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance for your help.

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RE: AeroWorks Edge 540T 46-60? - 10/17/2006 9:58 PM   
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RE: AeroWorks Edge 540T 46-60? - 11/27/2006 5:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		im looking for a plane in this size range that i could possibly put a Zenoah 20cc or Evolution 26cc (gassers) in. Can this be done? Has anyone done it? What kind of modifications would i be looking at (ive only built ARFs)? What will the plane be capable of in comparison to a 100 4stroke setup? Sorry for so many questions, its just alot of money and i want to get it right.

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RE: AeroWorks Edge 540T 46-60? - 11/27/2006 9:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		That would be WAY too heavy of an engine for this plane. The heaviest recommended engine for this plane is a Saito 100 or 125. They only weigh about 23 ounces, while those engines weigh 40 ounces or more with the ignition, and their mufflers are going to be considerably heavier than a 4-stroke's muffler. It could be done, but it would ruin this plane, both structurally and in flight performance. I would recommend something in the 90-120 size range with a minimum of 900 squares and claimed weights of 10 pounds or less, like the Funtana X100 or similar.

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RE: AeroWorks Edge 540T 46-60? - 11/27/2006 10:08 PM   
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What do you think about the YS 110FZ?

I'm currently running a Saito91-S with a 14x8 APC prop turning 8900 rpm (200 rich of peak 9100) in the plane. Plane flys good, but not much punch. I fly near sea level.

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RE: AeroWorks Edge 540T 46-60? - 12/11/2006 1:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am in the middle of building my 540 EdgeT and I need help. Is the stock motor mount being used with the Saito 100? If so, what did you do about the 4 3/4' clearance. Any suggestins would greatly appreciated.

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RE: AeroWorks Edge 540T 46-60? - 12/11/2006 3:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		I used the stock motor mount with no problems. The carb ended up being very close to the firewall, but it worked out with minor adjustments to the control arm. I think it was recommended to use the mount upside down. I could be wrong on that though. There is a picture of someones saito 100 mount earlier in this thread........oh, here it is. I had it saved in a folder when I was building mine. So thanks to whoever posted this picture, sorry I can't remember. But at least you don't have to go back through to find it.

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RE: AeroWorks Edge 540T 46-60? - 12/12/2006 12:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Looks like the most popular engine for this ARF is the Saito 100.

Don't have one.

How would the OS .61 2-stroke or the YS .63 4-stroke compare to the Saito 100?

How would they compare to each other?

I don't require big 3D, hover at half throttle power, just basic aerobatic stuff.

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RE: AeroWorks Edge 540T 46-60? - 12/12/2006 12:43 AM   
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I'm running a Saito 91 (at sea level) and I would say it flys scale, but definitely not 3D. I'm into precision aerobatics, so it works OK for me.

The Saito 100 would definitely be the way to go.

I'm afraid you'd be very unhappy with anything less powerful.

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RE: AeroWorks Edge 540T 46-60? - 12/20/2006 12:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Heres my Edge Again, it crash 2 months ago, i was hovering when the engine stops, and i discover i fill the tank with the wrong nitro, the engine overheating and goes off, the fuselage broke in 2 parts, the muffler header broke, the wheel pants are damaged, i want to know if Aerowoks can sell me only the wheel pants and the cowling. here is a pic with the plane ready to fly again.

P.D. The Daffy Duck wasn't injured during the crash.

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RE: AeroWorks Edge 540T 46-60? - 12/30/2006 2:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		I finally flew my AW Edge 540T yesterday!!! After getting it a year ago, it was finally able to fly it's maiden flight. I was having trouble with the engine (ST 90) so I decided to go back to the original plan, a Saito 100. It was the right decision. This plane flew like it was on rails, just 2 clicks of down elevator and it was rock solid, no bad habbits or sudden surprises that I could see. The Saito seems to have enough power, it isn't a rocket but it does seem to have enough power for most 3D flying. I will post pix of the new setup when I get a chance... I am very happy with this plane so far.

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RE: AeroWorks Edge 540T 46-60? - 1/1/2007 3:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here are some pix taken at the field with my camera phone... Not the best, but it will do for now until I get my real camera out...

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