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RE: E-SKY LAMA 2 THREAD - 12/16/2005 2:30:50 AM

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I have an Esky Lama 2 and have had NOTHING but problems, the same things that you all report in this forum, mine regardless of adjustments on the 4 in 1 pod will do nothing but do its own rotation no matter how much trim is put into this. I contacted the folks at Hobby200japan and they were helpful at first until I asked to have it replaced, they claim there are NO issues with my problems, I even took a 5 minute video of what mine was doing and they just want to deny the problem. I have an xrb Lama and this thing flys hands off the sticks, I am not asking for this to do that, I would just like something close to straight flight instead of having full left stick to keep it halfway straight. This company does NOT stand behind this product so buyer beware. I am sick of how they just beat around the bush and will not replace it. The are lying as you all seem to be having this issue, some maybe worse than others. Its not fair or right. I would never buy anything from these guys after this experience.

Steve Blinder

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RE: E-SKY LAMA 2 THREAD - 12/16/2005 2:48:05 AM

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I bought this Esky Lama 2 and this is the biggest piece of junk I have ever owned. I have all of them, the Blade Cx, the Xrb Lama, the housefly, and the rotofly. This thing after hours of attempts cannot be trimmed to even begin to fly slightly straight, the company will not admit they have a problem with this and I even sent them a movie of my troubles, just simple denial. I want my money back plain and simple, they make this thing out to be so great and I at least expect to be able to adjust the trim. I have tried everything with the receiver and even twisting the blades. I am extremely frustrated and Plan to take this up with Paypal as this Hobby200japan says they are some preferred international vendor, I don't think paypal will put up with defective products and not happy customers. I mean guys how many of you are out there that have been able to get this thing even close to able to hover without full left or right stick? I have tried everything.

Unhappy in South dakota and the company in my opinion does not care about the money we spend.

Steve

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RE: E-SKY LAMA 2 THREAD - 12/16/2005 8:15:40 AM

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Ooh wake up.

1 You have chosen to buy overseas, probably to save some bucks. The trade off is you are dealing with asians who have a completely different culture, don't expect them to act american, they won't. If you don't like it then buy at home.
2 You have bought one of the cheapest possible helis/toys on the market, I believe less than 1/2 the price of the Hirobo. This is a little plastic toy made in China, so far the chinese sadly enough does not have a rep for making HQ products.
3 I believe this thread contains advise on adjusting your problem
4 Have you adjusted the trim?
5 I got mine yesterday, I have to use full trim on throttle and some on ail/elev, other than that it's a great little machine which even my wife will be able to fly (And she has only practised 15 min on the sim...)
If the cat stays in it's place and don't make any wind of any kind I can go take a piss while it rests in the air.

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RE: E-SKY LAMA 2 THREAD - 12/16/2005 8:36:57 AM

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blinders, just like somebody told me, unplug the battery and adjust the pot on the reciever. It only takes a very small amount to make a change.

My opinion of the durability just keeps going up. Now that I'm in forward flight training mode and learning coordinated turns things have got a lot more wild in my house. I've crashed into pretty much everything. My advice is, if you think you're going to hit something chop the throttle to save any damage to the blades and/or gears.

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RE: E-SKY LAMA 2 THREAD - 12/16/2005 9:21:08 AM

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Steve, what have you been huffin? The lama is an excellent helicopter. After I read about the pot meter tip, I went and tried it, now it hovers so solid that id almost put my drinks on it.

ALL RC models require a little bit of tender lovin before theire perfect. I bet if I had my hands on that little heli, id have it flying straight as a house in an hour. You probably didnt power it down for the trim pot adjustment, because if I turn mine, the thing goes completly the other way.

Besides, ive seen several warnings not to buy at hobbyjapan2000. Theire corporate A-holes who dont care what happens once it leaves theire shop, because they say they "tested" everythign 3 times before sending it. Thats theire main leverage in any attempt to get a replacement. "What? It worked when we put it in a box, so its your fault or take it up with the mailman. Good bye."

Just keep a little patience and fiddle with it some more. Isnt this what the hobby is all about?

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RE: E-SKY LAMA 2 THREAD - 12/16/2005 3:34:32 PM

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Mike:

Not smoking anything. I have worked with the little dial on the receiver for hours with no luck, I honestly think its defective but like you said the company we both speak of could care less so here I sit. Can I send it to you and pay you to fix it? I don't know what else to do,I have an xrb Lama, blade Cx, ect and you can at least trim these so it will kind of fly straight, even with hands off for a few moments, this thing is just not right.

STeve

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RE: E-SKY LAMA 2 THREAD - 12/16/2005 3:42:42 PM

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Thanks for your reply, since you are such an expert about import export I won't reply to your content or the comments about Asians. I happen to own my own export corporation and do business with "Asians every day." They act the same way we do if they are good business men. You might want to think a little before you post about cultures, ect. What I have here is a worthless company (regardless of where they are located) who won't stand behind there product, and yes this one is defective. FYI, there are also many worthless companies right here in our own backyards, makes no difference "where" they are located.

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RE: E-SKY LAMA 2 THREAD - 12/16/2005 4:05:59 PM

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Steve,
Depending on which way it's spinning, sometimes you can counteract it by adding pitch to the upper or lower blades. Also, if the pot trimmer won't get rid of the spinning, it should at least slow it down. Can you stop the spinning by adding rudder stick? Sorry if you've already answered this, but I'm at work and don't have time to read your posts again.

Maybe one of your motors is defective. They're cheap, so it's very possible. With any of these little motors, probably more than 10% just won't put out the RPM you need. They vary in torque and RPM a lot. $10 for a new motor may cure it.

OK, this next part isn't directed at you.
When you're communicating with Asians, or anyone who doesn't speak English as a first language, spelling, grammar and proper words (no slang) are very important to translations. Slang or local jargon, like when I say heli instead of helicopter, can be missed entirely. Misspelled words can be missed entirely. Mixing up your, you're; its, it's; there, they're, their; to, too, two; here, hear; lie, lay; wear, where, were; can make it very hard for them to understand. I speak and understand French and Spanish a bit, but when I'm reading it, if a word is misspelled, I usually have no idea what it's supposed to be.

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RE: E-SKY LAMA 2 THREAD - 12/16/2005 4:12:13 PM

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Hi Gary:

Thanks for the nice post, some folks on this forum get nasty to each other right off the bat. I have tried everything listed on the forum from trying to adjust the blades to working the little screw on the receiver in small micro movements to try and stop the spinning. I have full trim to the right on the radio rudder side and to fly what I call kind of straight I have to have the rudder stick almost pushed full to the right. This I am sure is NOT normal and certainly not what I am hearing from everybody else who just loves there Lama. I know its a cheap knock off, I guess I should have figured you get what you pay for. I have an Xrb Lama and I can put it in a hover and set the transmitter on the table for a good 3 minutes, I guess I will just have to throw this Lama in the trash, its nothing but a frustrating waste of my time and there is no place I can send it to have it fixed nor will the company take it back for exchange.

Steve

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RE: E-SKY LAMA 2 THREAD - 12/16/2005 4:51:04 PM

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A crummy motor might indeed be it, maybe heres what would be best for you. Buy a new motor and let it run for 15 minutes on only 2 cells. Some old rechargable penlites might do the trick just fine. This will break the brushes in to the comm, so they have a much better contact, resulting in power flowing more easily through the motor, wich ofcourse means better preformance. Only downside might be the OTHER motor will become the slowpoke one.

Mine has its little quirks aswell, but I just got used to controlling yaw myself. Mine actually alternates from going counter clockwise in the start, and slowly moving to clockwise at the end of the pack. Its got something to do with crappy gyro electronics and dropping voltage as you fly it. Im gonna try a PG-03 gyro and an old dragonfly esc/mixer board, that equipment might not be as sensitive to the voltage thing.

Just a little side talk then:
About asians, Im used to INSANE service from those guys. Hobbyjapan2000 seems to be a big exception to it. I got a free plane from windriders because it was still out of stock after a month of my payment. (They refunded, but all of a sudden a package showed up at my door.), also from that shop I ended up with around 50 free decal stickers asking one or 2 of them.

Not to mention the countless "discontinued" planes I got for free from several other shops where I bought stuff. (One of them said they needed to fill the box with something so it woulnd rattle around during shipping

.) With a result that I bought a couple more planes later on. They know how to hook a loyal customer.

Oh, I almost forgot:

Did a little messing with the side flaps, looks rather long now. :P Almost like a corona nose.

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RE: E-SKY LAMA 2 THREAD - 12/16/2005 5:32:56 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: blinders

Mike:

Not smoking anything.

Just for the record, I didn't say you were smoking anything and wasn't rude to you in any way.

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RE: E-SKY LAMA 2 THREAD - 12/16/2005 5:38:21 PM

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The smoke must have blinded him a little.

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RE: E-SKY LAMA 2 THREAD - 12/16/2005 5:45:35 PM

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My Lama starts out rotating clockwise when it's cool and counter clockwise when the motors get hot (Opposite what Freakazoid experiences?). So I have my pot set up so that I give it full left trim on startup, and gradually I move it to full right trim. But, it's the motor heat that's causing it because if I fly half a battery charge and let it cool, I've got to go back to full left trim again the next time I start up.

Steve, if you can solder, try this.
Mark the motor that's on the front, and mark the one that's on the back. Also mark the connectors so you'll know where they plug into the Rx. Now, switch the wires on the motors (that's when you have to solder) so each motor will run backward from the way it originally ran. Now put the front motor in the back and the back motor in the front. Make sure you get the Rx connections right, too. You see, the motors are set up to run in different directions. The armature in little electric motors have a commutator glued to the shaft at a position to give them a 0° timing. But, 1 or 2 degrees will make a difference, and they're just thrown together by the manufacturer. A motor with +2° timing will run a lot faster than a motor with retarded timing. The motors will run completely different when you run them in a different direction. Advancing the timing will increase the speed a little, but retarding it will decrease it a lot.
With luck, one of your motors is close to 0 timing and the other will now have slight advanced. They may come close to being matched.
When you buy motors for these, you buy them as front or back motors. They're different parts on the list (wiring is just reversed). If swapping the wires the way I described doesn't work, replace the slower motor. This goes without saying, but don't buy the new motor from hobbyjapan, but it from heli-fever or balsapr

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RE: E-SKY LAMA 2 THREAD - 12/16/2005 6:35:02 PM

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Steve:
You probably know this already but here goes anyway. The way they get yaw control is to speed up one set of blades and slow down the other PROVIDING both sets of blades have the same pitch. I have the Hirobo but I imagine your is a copy. If so it has screws on the upper blades that change the pitch. If you put more pitch on one set of blades, say the top blades, it will have more torque than the bottom blades. If it turns counterclockwise, as It does with the hirobo, it will cause the chopper nose to turn to the right, which is what yours is doing. Back out the screws on the blades, or whatever it takes to lower the pitch. If everything works out you'll find it takes less and less left rudder to trim it to stop. Should be able to trim it to 0 trim on your transmitter. If you already know this or have tried it just disregard.

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