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RE: [b]"TAURUS OWNERS ONLY"[/b] - 3/31/2006 4:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		18x10 and up. you should be propping the engine to turn 6800-7400 static. It will unload in the air.
As for brands Our new line of course, Bolly, Menz S, NX. Zinger.

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RE: [b]"TAURUS OWNERS ONLY"[/b] - 3/31/2006 5:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the info Bill. By the way, I decided to call CH Electronics to find out if they could swap my ignition out for one with a Bosch plug cap. They said not problem and the ignition noise is cut in half. It sounds like a good option for most applications. Does Taurus supply the ignitions with a Bosch plug cap option?

Cap stays on and lower ignition noise... sounds like a no brainer... cost to upgrade is minimal.

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RE: [b]"TAURUS OWNERS ONLY"[/b] - 3/31/2006 7:31 AM   
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RE: [b]"TAURUS OWNERS ONLY"[/b] - 3/31/2006 7:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		For all those that indicated they liked the 10mm pilot because they swap props from other engines. we will be doing them shortly on the new engines.

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RE: [b]"TAURUS OWNERS ONLY"[/b] - 3/31/2006 2:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		T-1, I Don't won't to open up another can of worms here, but then again,,, maybe I do. Isn't it reasonable for one to think that if the Taurus 3.2 is to be the best engine out there, that all of the components used in it's construction were the best? I believe the "Bosh Type" plug cap, be standard equipment on the engine. This disturbs me, and I don't think it's reasonable for Taurus Engines, to expect it's customer to pay an extra $12.00 for an optional plug cap in order to make the engine reliable. It's not the thought of the $12.00, extra that CH Ignitions, charges for the upgrade. What disturbs me is the fact that Taurus, would even allow the engine to be sold with the cheaper plug cap in the first place, knowing someone might crash an expensive aircraft, just to save a few dollars in production cost. The Taurus 3.2 engine now sells for as much, or more than other engines in it's class. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect the best when you buy a Taurus engine, nor do I think the consumer should have to retrofit (at his cost) other components in order to make the engine reliable. The Hub change, and the 10MM prop bolt is a great improvement to the engine. However, none of those issues would have caused the airplane to crash if it failed. The "Plug Cap," is a different matter altogether, and could be catastrophic if it came off while one was taking off, or hovering the aircraft. I think this is an issue that should be addressed at once. Or, at the very least.......Tell the customer about the potential problem.

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RE: [b]"TAURUS OWNERS ONLY"[/b] - 3/31/2006 9:53 PM   
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RE: [b]"TAURUS OWNERS ONLY"[/b] - 3/31/2006 10:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bob, I think you've gone out on a limb here. I have run several gassers with rubber boots with no problems. My BME 102 has a CH with rubber boots and I have no problems at all. Hoping that a Bosch cap will "cure" an improper radio install or a crappy receiver is just like expecting PCM to reduce interference. If you have good radio gear and it is properly installed as far away from the firewall as possible you will be fine. The downside of the Bosch is that it weighs more. Having said that, I ordered my TS52 with a Bosch cap just because I wanted to try one. I'm sure it is still possible to have interference with a Bosch cap equipped engine.

I keep all radio wire, servos, switches, etc as far from the firewall as possible. I cringe when I see people mount their throttle and choke servos on the motor box. Murphy will bite them on the backside eventually!

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RE: [b]"TAURUS OWNERS ONLY"[/b] - 3/31/2006 10:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with Bob. Make the Bosch plug cap standard equipment on the 3.2. Why not use the best option available from your ignition supplier as long as the cost increase is not excessive. As far as the weight gain, how much could it be? An ounce or two? Improved reliability and a lower EMI noise environment YES!

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RE: [b]"TAURUS OWNERS ONLY"[/b] - 3/31/2006 11:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		I Bob disagree with you.. I for one having 5 Taurus engines ( 4.4's & 4.2's) all with rubber boots never ever have a problem w/ noise. 2nd.. I find the small rubber boot better for scale narrow cowls ,i.e. Mustangs, Me-109's spitfires and the like. Even with my current Ziroli Stuka build having a large cowl, If my Taurus did have a bosch bird cage boot on it ..it wouldn't fit under that cowl and be on the outside of the cowl..Not going to happen'. Then I'd be wanting a small rubber boot. You want an Apple, I want an Orange. A good radio instalation is more inportant than having a bird cage around a spark plug.. Besides.. let the limb on the tree grow before you go cut it off'..

My 2 cents.. don't need the change'.. Glenn Mc.

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RE: [b]"TAURUS OWNERS ONLY"[/b] - 4/1/2006 1:37 AM   
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Status: online 		Bosch cap and PCM good compairison. The Bosch will hide a lot of install "sins". About 1/2 the Bosch ignitions we sell are to people who need it, for what ever reason. The rest are bought as "insurance".
Because of the BIG EXTRA cost , there are way more rubber boots out there flying and most have no problem if they follow our SUGGESTED installation procedures. Its when the modelers get creative that things get weird, like I HAVE TO install my batteries next to each other to make the plane balance.
Bill normally keeps some Bosch cap ignitions in stock, just gotta ask. Of course if he remembered to ask too, it would help.

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RE: [b]"TAURUS OWNERS ONLY"[/b] - 4/1/2006 2:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		CHM, I totally agree that a "Rubber Booted" spark plug cap is just as good as a Bosc Cap, in most instances. I have never had a problem with ignition noise, and none of my friends have either. The problem we have had is with the Rubber Boot spark plug cap, coming off in flight. CH ignitions will replace it free of charge if you send it back to them. They also recommend the Bosch Cap over the rubber booted cap. I am aware of the importance of keeping the ignition at least 10-12" away from the airborne. If you loose engine power because a spark plug wire came off, what good does it do you if you loose a 3000 dollar aircraft. A few years ago when I started this thread not that many people were flying with the 3.2 Taurus's. Most of the comments made regarding them were by Bill Pryor, (hope he's OK) AJF, Excaliber, and myself. It was several years before
"T-1" even started to responded on this thread. (after prompting by me and others) Now that there has been a very good demand for their engines, I think that some of the weak points are showing up more often. Again, I am only posting the facts of the problems that I and others have had with the PLUG CAP, coming off while in flight. I appreciate your comments Chuck, But they have no bearing on my problem.

G McIntosh. I don't understand what you are disagreeing with me about. I have not mentioned anything about having a problem with ignition noise. My problem is with the rubber cap that is supplied with the 3.2 engine coming off the plug while it's airborne. This happened several times with me and others. I replaced mine with a Bosch type off of a crashed ignition someone had on hand. Another friend, sent his back to Bill for replacement.
I made my comment because someone said they would use the Plug Wire that CH recommended for an extra charge. There was no option offered when I bought my Two Taurus, 3.2 engines. Again Glen, Thanks for your comments, but the problem I refereed to was not with the ignition.

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RE: [b]"TAURUS OWNERS ONLY"[/b] - 4/1/2006 2:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Bob, I've never heard of a properly installed rubber boot with the ground braid attached with a small hose clamp coming off. Is that what you are saying or did a rubber boot malfunction? Just curious. I'm open minded.

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RE: [b]"TAURUS OWNERS ONLY"[/b] - 4/1/2006 2:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Bob I do agree that the Bosch boot is a better boot than the std Rubber boot.. But , I feel the need to make a Bosch boot std equipment on a Taurus just because its one of the best engines on the market isn't needed. Sure one may have had a boot come off in flight.. was it seated and tite in the first place? Has the boot been removed off the spark plug many times ? Maybe ..Maybe not..
How many times has one used a pair of pylers to make the clip smaller say on a lawn mower doing maintance so the wire lead will stay on.. I know I have in the past. So it maybe true with that one time or so the boot fell off. Sure everything isn't fool proof'.. Maintance is need often more than not. I'm sure Bill T-1 would sell anyone a Bosch ignition boot with their new engine if they just ask' for it, or as an optional up grade. But too have Taurus Engines sell the Bosch boot as std equipment on their engines and to assorb the cost without a price increase is absurd. Besides, if a Bosch boot is a cure all, why don't CH-Ignitions sell all the ignition sets they sell with a Bosch boot and make it there std equipment? They don't ... They offer both don't they ?
I for one like choices.. as I believe you do and everone else. Glenn

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RE: [b]"TAURUS OWNERS ONLY"[/b] - 4/1/2006 3:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		What I'm saying is that the boot comes off the plug even with the shield clamped (properly installed). It's just that simple Chuck, The boot with the spring inside that holds the cap to the plug, loosens up, and the Rubber boot falls off the spark plug cap, falls off. I've tried to re tightened the cap but all to no avail. after a few flights it loosen's up again. I replaced mine with a Bosch Cap, and it's been bullet proof since. I"m not nit picking. I just think that if theres a known problem with an engine, it should be addressed before shipment is made,. Period. How can I tell those that PM me with the problem, there was an unpublished upgrade available that was a little more reliable for an additional, $12.00 after he has crashed hi plane due to the plug cap falling off on take off.

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RE: [b]"TAURUS OWNERS ONLY"[/b] - 4/1/2006 3:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Bob,

Well said. I'd buy that insurance policy for $12.00. I wish I'd known to ask for the Bosch option when I purchased my engine.

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RE: [b]"TAURUS OWNERS ONLY"[/b] - 4/1/2006 3:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes to all the above Glen, But I looking for and engine that has nothing held back in it's production because it's going to have the best engine reputation of any engine. I don't expect any manufacture to add anything to his product without charging for it. That his right, and he can build his engine anyway he chooses. I have always felt that the Taurus Engine was the most Reliable, smoothest, running engine available at any cost in the 50cc size range. Maybe the 4.2- 4.4's are different than the 3.2's If you factor in the cost of the Upgraded Ignition,+ shipping........Taurus engines is now approaching 700.00.

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RE: [b]"TAURUS OWNERS ONLY"[/b] - 4/1/2006 5:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		A few weeks ago it was,why don't the Taurus have a 10mm pilot on the prop hub.
then it was afew stripped out the threads of the prop hub because they failed to use a longer bolt when using a thicker prop or just plain exerting more force then necessary.
Both of those issues have been cure with the NEW 10mm pilot hub.
Now this week its the Bosch plug cap.
And the price of the Taurus compared to other engines in the 50cc range.
For the past 12 years the rubber boot has worked and worked well. The Bosch has been an option.
OK we can eliminate the costly radial mount and the spark plug and the throttle linkage and be like all the rest. Might even be less in price.
But here is the bottom line. It ain't going to happen.The current price of the Taurus is $600.00
with the mount,throttle linkage, sparkplug and new hub. If you want the Bosch its 12.50 more which is now 612.50 Where is the 700.00 figure even with the optional Pitts style muffler it would be 691.50. Now compare apples to apples.
Last item on my agenda. We have replaced or repaired the engines that had the stripped threads and returned at no cost to the customer.
What we won't be doing is offering the new hub or a Bosch cap as a no cost upgrade.
If someone wants the Bosch cap then it should be specified when ordering.
I've been using the C/H rubber boot and Bosch caps longer than I can remember and NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH ANY INSTALLATION. I can't say that about any of the"other" ignitions I've tried over the years. I'm sure when the new engines come out with the new style hub, someone will open up that can of worms.Well we listened to some of you and made a change. Lets see what happens.
In the meantime if anyone has a comment, complaint or a suggestion on how the Taurus performance can be improved, Please call or write to us directly as we no longer have the luxury of spare time.

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RE: [b]"TAURUS OWNERS ONLY"[/b] - 4/1/2006 5:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		WHAT A CROCK: As I stated the cost of the new Taurus equipped as it's always been, with Pitts wraparound, Bosch type CH ignition, throttle linkage,(what a joke) was close to 700.00 w/shipping. And now it seems that you are assuming that we as users, are just to stupid to screw the bolt into the prop hub, or we used to much force for a bolt that you admit was too short, and stripped the hub out. You also seem to imply that we were lieing about our problems with the mufflers always coming loose, and the spark plug caps falling off. Well Bill, if thats your idea of customer service coming on this thread to rip your customers......Go ahead, but you can no longer count me as a supporter of the Taurus engine. For you to admit that the old prop hub needed to be redesigned and say.... to quote you, "What we won't be doing is offer the new hub and Bosh cap as a no cost replacement. Is this what you call great customer relations? Will you continue to sell your engine with an inferior hub unless the customer wants to pay extra for a better one? I don't see very much pride in your product with that business attitude. Ones things for sure though, As long as I, or any of my friends and acquaintances that email about problems with their Taurus engines, I will bring it to the attention of the readers of this thread Which I started. "Taurus Owners Only".

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RE: [b]"TAURUS OWNERS ONLY"[/b] - 4/1/2006 6:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		I will not mince words with you. I f you don't like our product thats your choice. I don't assume anything. But you recall YOU were the first one to snap a bolt at 42 foot pounds of torque without stripping out the hub. Your words again , I imply nothing, thats your opinion.
Rip our customers,doing repairs at no cost is a rip off,in your eyes maybe.
You don't read well when your upset. we have a new hub. You'll LOVE THIS ONE it has a 10mm pilot and (6) six yes count them 6 SHCs screws you can now strip out.You wanted the 10mm you got it.
Do what you will we can't stop you.I'm sure we will still sell one or two. If not, then so be it
In the meantime enjoy whatever engine or engines you have and have fun flying all your planes. you can bash us till your hearts content If it makes you happy.But don't expect me to play.



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RE: [b]"TAURUS OWNERS ONLY"[/b] - 4/1/2006 7:13 AM   
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RE: [b]"TAURUS OWNERS ONLY"[/b] - 4/1/2006 2:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe, Bill could also include a chunk of CHEESE as std equipment .. To go with that wine

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RE: [b]"TAURUS OWNERS ONLY"[/b] - 4/1/2006 3:34 PM   
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RE: [b]"TAURUS OWNERS ONLY"[/b] - 4/1/2006 4:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Marzo91: Thanks for you comment. It's very well taken. You're right.........I do have a passion for this hobby, and I have had that same passion ever since I flew my first single channel airplane (48" Spook," with Cox .049 ) in 1959, and It has remained my hobby for all these years.

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RE: [b]"TAURUS OWNERS ONLY"[/b] - 4/1/2006 4:17 PM   
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FWIW, Bill told us that several people had said that they were having trouble with the rubber boots coming lose. So we went through our stock and found some that the clip inside the boot was crimped to small. The boot would go on the plug and snap on the flashover ribs, but the clip would not go over the button on the top of the plug. SO we made an instant change in QC procedures, by snapping each clip on a spark plug before installing the rubber boot, an have had no more complants.
With enough force the bad caps would lock on the button, of course then they wouldn't come off EVER.
If you have any problem with a CH ignition, call us and we will take care of it. If you send it to the engine mfg, all they do is send it to us and it adds a week or 2 to your down time.....

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RE: [b]"TAURUS OWNERS ONLY"[/b] - 4/1/2006 4:19 PM   
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