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MikeFreas -> RE: Hobby Lobby Sr. Telemaster ARF (8/13/2006 8:21:23 PM)

Has anyone with the ARF added flaps and made the ailerons bigger? Most of the fields I fly at now are really to small and I can't get the bird to slow down. I don't think it would be that hard or cost that much to modify the wing but I wanted to see some pictures and hear how it works first.



Calixto -> RE: Hobby Lobby Sr. Telemaster ARF (8/14/2006 10:37:20 PM)

Hi Mike.

I have planned to add flaps to my ARF Telemaster for a few months now and even bought the flap stock, but have not had time to do it, I have been using flaperons, but when fully deployed I loose aileron control and must fly with rudder for turning, I had increased the rudder size by 50% so it is very responsive. I found the flaperons do help a lot when landing in short fields but have the inconvenience of making the ailerons inefective, adding flaps should be a lot better.
Calixto



MikeFreas -> RE: Hobby Lobby Sr. Telemaster ARF (8/15/2006 4:11:23 AM)

I'd like to see your plans for setting this up. I was flying with a guy this weekend with a .40 size TM that had flaps on it. His flaps were about 6!QUOT! long and very wide. When deployed they almost went 90 degrees and the bird would fly very slow. I also have the problem of loosing aileron authority when my flaperons are deployed. I figured making the ailerons about 3x the width they are currently would cure that problem along with flaps. The only thing I haven't figured out is how to only use one servo for the flaps and still have a two piece wing. It may be easier and cheaper to use two low cost servos vice one. The only other problem is I only have a 7ch radio so I'd have to give something up to use the flaps.



Calixto -> RE: Hobby Lobby Sr. Telemaster ARF (8/15/2006 3:28:16 PM)

You only need 5 channels, use a y connector for the ailerons in channel 1 and another y connector for flaps on channel 6, you will not need any mixing. The stock y bought for the flaps is 3-1/2" wide, maybe I should replace the ailerons with the same stock.
Calixto.



MikeFreas -> RE: Hobby Lobby Sr. Telemaster ARF (8/17/2006 2:30:35 AM)

So what was your plan for modifying the wing? I had planned on cutting the ribs back to allow for large flaps and bigger ailerons but that's a lot of work.



algutkin -> RE: Hobby Lobby Sr. Telemaster ARF (8/17/2006 6:57:35 AM)

Mike,

Just cut the ailerons, make the inside pieces flaps and use the existing servos. Add two more servos for the shortened ailerons. The bird doesn't need those oversized ailerons, slow flight yaw can be assisted with the rudder if needed. Solder up some Y connections so the flap and aileron leads can be disconnected when the wing is split.

The 40 size Telemaster Electro comes this way from the factory. The flaps are attached to the wing between the ailerons and the fuse, and look like part of the ailerons. They are attached with covering mateial, which makes them firm and not movable If the builder wants to make the flaps work, all he has to do is cut he covering to free the flaps, and add flap servos.

I might mention that when there is a cross wind situation, full sized aircraft pilots are instructed to use rudder, not aileron, to yaw the nose into the crosswind. The plane actually lands nose toward the wind, and upon getting the main gear on the runway, the pilot straightens the airplane. Another method is the slip procedure. Use oppsite aileron controls to slip toward the crosswind sideways while using rudder to keep the nose straight down the runway. Slips are much harder to accomplish.

What I am trying to say is, you really don't need that much aileron when landing, use rudder instead. Moving the rudder will force the wings to tilt, and the nose to move, just as if you used ailerons. I'm sure you know that, but, I like talking about this stuff.

Al



Calixto -> RE: Hobby Lobby Sr. Telemaster ARF (8/17/2006 1:52:03 PM)

Hey Mike and Al, nice talking shop with you guys. I intend to cut the trailing edge of the wing in line with the ailerons hinge up to the fuselage, and then install the flaps cutting the ailerons up to where the horns are installed to make the flaps larger, I will be using 3-1/2" stock, so I think I will replace the ailerons with the same stock, (the wing will have a bigger chord) will use two mini servos with a y extension for the flaps.
You are right Al, side slips are very hard to do well, I just crab the bird to the landing strip and align it at the last second before touch down.
Calixto



algutkin -> RE: Hobby Lobby Sr. Telemaster ARF (8/17/2006 3:03:26 PM)

Hey Calexico, how ya doin?

I parked by Telemaster, only to fly it when I need confidence. However, I do have an extra set of wings and I think the addition of flaps would be easy, what the heck. Keep tuned.

Al



Calixto -> RE: Hobby Lobby Sr. Telemaster ARF (8/17/2006 4:40:42 PM)

Hey Al.

I need confidence all the time, so the telemaster is getting a lot of wear and tear, I even tore the coevering on my telemaster 40 and covered it with red monokote, also fixed some brocken struts in the fuse and it is like new, that one has flaps and it is a lot of fun for some mild aerobatics and short field take off and landings. Been trying to get some experience with autogyros for the gyronuts flyin in Morris illinois next month and not doing so well, my confidence is below the floor level, well they say that old dogs don`t learn new tricks and also "old dogs bark siting down" which I don`t do so there is the mistake resulting in low confidence levels.
Calixto



algutkin -> RE: Hobby Lobby Sr. Telemaster ARF (8/17/2006 5:03:06 PM)

Calixto,

The new thing seems to be flying with goggles. It puts you in the airplane, when you move you head the camera moves also. I have to do this, I'm on a quest, but, finding the vendors seems to be a problem. Most of the people doing this live in Europe or Scandinavia. I'm just wondering it the Department of Homeland Security would be concerned if they knew that US people could do this?

Goggle flying the Telemaster, that would be trick, wouldn't it?

Al



Calixto -> RE: Hobby Lobby Sr. Telemaster ARF (8/17/2006 5:11:06 PM)

That sounds expensive Al, ¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡OOOOuch!!!!!!!!! if the airplane crashes.

Calixto



algutkin -> RE: Hobby Lobby Sr. Telemaster ARF (8/17/2006 10:29:08 PM)

Calixto,

I am going to send the estimate to your sons at the business address. Chances are, that while you are in the states, they will pay anything without looking. LOL

Al



MikeFreas -> RE: Hobby Lobby Sr. Telemaster ARF (8/18/2006 1:19:32 AM)

I'm not quite sure I follow your plan on how you're going to modify the wing. I think it would be easy to cut the ribs loose from the current hinge block but how would you ensure a straight cut when shorting the ribs? Maybe some pictures would help. When do you plan on starting? We need a Gunipig! As far as covering goes I think some Cub Yellow Ultracote would match close enough.



Calixto -> RE: Hobby Lobby Sr. Telemaster ARF (8/18/2006 3:33:28 PM)

Al.
I don`t think it will work even though I would love to have that gadget, I am the "consultant" in this company, and all the executives consult with me before any mayor expenditure and I doubt the consultant will approve it.
Calixto



Calixto -> RE: Hobby Lobby Sr. Telemaster ARF (8/18/2006 3:46:37 PM)

Mike.

All you have to do is cut the trailing edge from the end of the ailerons up to the fuselage along the hinge line, you still will have some wood left, to attach the flap hinges, I don`t think I`ll have time to start the flaps modification until I come back from the Gyronuts flyin Sept. 12th because I am honing my autogyro skills and that translates into a lot of repair work between flying days. I will gladly send you pictures then if you are willing to wait. Cub yellow, will match the color of the Tele covering, I used lemon yellow to patch the repair I made to the fuse when I broke it in half, and it is a little lighter, hardly noticeable.
Calixto



MikeFreas -> RE: Hobby Lobby Sr. Telemaster ARF (8/19/2006 4:00:51 AM)

I think I see what your saying now. Still, to get a straight cut would be difficult. I may get the bug and the extra money to try it this winter. Until then I'm going to try and fly using the rudder more while the flaperons are deployed.



Calixto -> RE: Hobby Lobby Sr. Telemaster ARF (8/19/2006 5:36:24 PM)

Hey Mike.

By then you will have the modification pictures I will take, and a report on how it turned out.
Calixto



NorfolkSouthern -> RE: Hobby Lobby Sr. Telemaster ARF (9/10/2006 4:15:34 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: algutkin

Anyhow, did research on the RC Aerocommander and found a reason why kits were not made Beach King Airs, Aero Commanders, and other civilian airplanes....They are boring! The consumers will go for exciting RC airplanes all the time....OK I can live with that, but, what is more boring than flying a piece of foam? Is throwing a piece of foam out of a second story window and watching it flutter really exciting? Then why build a foam airplane?

I have more up close videos of P51s, Bear Cats, T6s, B17s, P40s, and the Hangar 9 full size Corsair, more than you can count....I thought about uploading some excerps in the scale thread as a joke. LOL They look real, guys, but they might be RC...Not. Yep, wine during lunch today, can you tell?

Al


You mean, most club folks think they're boring. I too have seen too many Mustangs, Yak-54s, Edge 340s, Bear Cats, T6s, B17s, Fontanas, Sukois, etc. etc. etc. I look at one of them fly, and I'm unimpressed. It seems like everybody and the next door neighbor's dog has a Yak-54 or whatever else. An oh yes, let's not forget the common turbine (with a real jet engine) too. I've seen better high-powered rockets that fly vertically. I will state quite emphatically that I don't see enough trainers or Telemasters for that matter on the field, and it's those types of planes that offer the most utility and practicality.

So what would impress me? Definitely not an F-14 with two turbines, been there and done that, seen 'em all. So please try again. A Telemaster? I'll honestly state that I've never seen one fly before! How about a cub with a Saito twin? Eh, seen those on more than a few occasions. I'll give a hint: It takes MORE than 2 cylinders to impress me, and please don't fly a Mustang with a two-bladed prop either.

I want to see a Piper Navajo with O.S. Pegasus 4 stroke, four-cylinder engines, both mills running 3 bladed props! If not that, then I'll even take a Cessna 152 with the 4-stroke, 4-cylinder Pegasus and a twin-blade Master Airscrew Classic. Then upload a video of either one doing several showcase laps, landing, takeoff, strobes, the works. Build it, and I bet there'll be some considerable interest I'm sure.

By the way, is there a Telemaster kit for a .15 OS engine? And are they lazer cut?

NorfolkSouthern



algutkin -> RE: Hobby Lobby Sr. Telemaster ARF (9/11/2006 5:14:24 AM)

norfolksouther,

And your point was?

Al



NorfolkSouthern -> RE: Hobby Lobby Sr. Telemaster ARF (9/11/2006 5:51:59 AM)

I'm trying to state that I'd like to see some more variety on the field, and wonder why there aren't more engines being flown with 3 cylinders or more. And then I see all this talk about electroplanes being the best thing that came out since the invention of the wheel. I guess if somebody's going scale, why not do it right and have a real showcase, both in the air and on the ground? If an R/C jet costs $3,500, and a plane with a 4 cylinder (not just four stroke, but actually a 4 cylinder 4 stroke, like on a full-sized aircraft) O.S. costs $2,500, then why aren't more of those flying? I saw a 5 cylinder radial on a De-Havalon Beaver which I did not get a chance to hear, because somebody else with an Edge 540 and loud muffler completely drowned out the sound of that nice radial. I would have preferred the Beaver to that Zenoa's loud muffler any day. I guess now I can see part of the reason for all these electric conversions, a lot of which I'm sure has to do with nimbyism and environmental factors. If I have to fly R/C to make money, I suppose electric would be just outstanding.

I am sorry I interupted this tread. In making my attempt to stay on the subject, I would like to own a Telemaster but I just prefer a glow engine over an electric. I looked at the Hobby Lobby site, and they have a nice Mini Telemaster which seems like it would work with a .15 engine, but it's set up for electric-only flight according to their web site. That would be fine for watt flyers with LiPos, but for me it's too bad really. So much for my personal preference. Carry on.

NorfolkSouthern



algutkin -> RE: Hobby Lobby Sr. Telemaster ARF (9/12/2006 1:49:42 AM)

NorfolkSouthern,

Your opinion is just a valuable as the next guy and your posts were taken well. I agree with the above post and I would also like to see more variety. However, flying RC is like buying clothes, most people, especially woman, like to be in style. RC style for men is Yaks etc.

Some of the WWII single engined warbirds are being retrofitted with turbines, reference the Beech T34 trainer, (A36 bonanza, in disquise). The electric motor sounds like a turbine. I like to think that the retrofit is exactly what we are doing, but your point is well taken and, I'm sure, will be supported by many posts to follow.

Al



Calixto -> RE: Hobby Lobby Sr. Telemaster ARF (9/12/2006 8:23:26 PM)

No roar, no smell, no oil NO GOOD.



algutkin -> RE: Hobby Lobby Sr. Telemaster ARF (9/12/2006 9:34:55 PM)

Calixto,

Are you talking about woman, or airplanes? I'm confused.[X(][:-][8|][&o][;)][:D]



Calixto -> RE: Hobby Lobby Sr. Telemaster ARF (9/12/2006 10:35:37 PM)

Both....... more important in women



Calixto -> RE: Hobby Lobby Sr. Telemaster ARF (9/13/2006 9:36:29 PM)

Hey Al. got back from the Gyronuts flyin monday, and there were some very neat flying electric gyrocopters equipped with outruner motors and li-po batteries, attached are some pictures, the old man with the young guy with the pony tail are me and my youngest son.
Sorry to drift from the thread.
Calixto



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