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flyifr -> RE: Hobby Lobby Sr. Telemaster ARF (5/8/2006 11:07:09 AM)

Great job Al, the in flight video looks great. How tough is it to get the packing tape off the wing covering and keep the covering intact ! Thanks for sharing the video.

Butch



Calixto -> RE: Hobby Lobby Sr. Telemaster ARF (5/8/2006 2:06:45 PM)

Butch, I see that Greg got all your doubts cleared, just be carefull with the monster you have in the nose of your Telemaster, you will have to do a lot of throtle management, otherwise your aiplane may desintegrate in mid air.
Calixto



Calixto -> RE: Hobby Lobby Sr. Telemaster ARF (5/8/2006 2:23:17 PM)

Great video Al, What is the intermitent screeching sound? is it the servos? or something that need lubrication on the control linkages?
Calixto



algutkin -> RE: Hobby Lobby Sr. Telemaster ARF (5/8/2006 2:48:44 PM)

Calixto,

You can't hear the sound on the ground, even with the motor running up, I'm trying to figure it out. The only thing I can think of is the wind. The wind was blowing 10 MPH on the ground and all indications were that it was much more in the air. I was the only person that had the balls to fly in the afternoon. Not the complete truth, a kid did fly his foam flying wing. The Telemaster seems to be a great photo plane, it's stable in the winds aloft, it can fly both slow and fast, and the aerodynamics are not affected by the camera.

flyifr,

The packing tape comes off without a residu, however, it will try to pull off a decal. It doesn't take much tape to hold the camera, the camera is light and it is flat, two strips 6 inches long.

Three of my planes flew Saturday, and two came back in one piece. Sunday was a better day, two planes flew Sunday, two planes came home in one piece.

I just bought a second camera on Ebay for a, buy it now, price of $139.00. Since this project worked so well, I am going to try some in flight videos of other planes. The Telemaster can fly slow enough to get some really good shots. THERE IS A NEGATIVE FOR THE CAMERA, IT'S NOT PERFECT. The camera takes its video in Apple Mpeg-4, (quicktime). I had a heck of a time converting the video to Microsoft WMA so that it could be compacted for upload to Putfile.

More to come

Al G.



Calixto -> RE: Hobby Lobby Sr. Telemaster ARF (5/8/2006 3:15:15 PM)

The difference between the SV-AV25 and the SV-AV100 evidently is the definition, I remember the video we took with the 100 and you could see the grass in detail, but for the price, I would go with the 25 the video is good enogh for the purpose and the SV-AV100 cost over $600, keep those videos coming Al.
Calixto



algutkin -> RE: Hobby Lobby Sr. Telemaster ARF (5/8/2006 5:57:22 PM)

Calixto,

Are we having fun yet?

The Telemaster flew great, however, one plane did not come back in the same shape as it left.

Re: The Camera. We have to remember one thing about Southern California, if the pictures are clear and you can see the mountains, it's very windy. On a still day we have low clouds, haze, and some SMOG. The ocean also has some influence and we get morning scud most days. The camera has 3X digital zoom, I am setting it for 2X for the next flight and we will see if the pictures have more detail. In order to move up to the Panasonic 100, I would have to stop drinking for a few months in order to justify the extra cost. That's not going to happen, so the 25 will stay as the official camera. LOL







Calixto -> RE: Hobby Lobby Sr. Telemaster ARF (5/8/2006 8:43:36 PM)

Al.

What kind of plane is the Grumpy that became Crumpy?



algutkin -> RE: Hobby Lobby Sr. Telemaster ARF (5/8/2006 10:01:00 PM)

Calixto,

It was a modified Polk, C47, number 2. Number 1 is still flying, however, number 2 always had a problem..These kits are sold by Polk and come with tiny 400 electric motors. The plane was a joke, it could never leave the ground. I converted it to outrunners, two Axi 2820 motors and lots of cheap lipos from Fmadirect. I finally got this bird to fly perfectly, and Saturday was the day to show off. Everything went perfect on a windy day, that is until someone else declared an emergency. I had to do a go around in the C47, so I decided to keep it slow. After all I was going to land it, so I thought why spool it up only to shut it down upon landing. I stalled it while turning downwind, and it nosed in to the dirt from 100 feet. I laughed, but, some of the other onlookers are on fixed income and the dollar cost of the loss really bothered them. The loss was 100 bucks, the motors survived along with the batteries, controllers, servos, wires, hardware, wheels, and styro that shielded the batteries.

I got away cheap, here in California dinner and wine costs 100 bucks in a nice restaurant. So, I crashed the plane and my wife made dinner. The wine was 7 bucks a bottle and I don't share. The laughs at the airport the next day were well worth the 100 bucks, and the old retired guys laughed until there chests hurt. Since I am still employed I feel that it's my job to entertain the retired guys on fixed income. LOL

Al



Calixto -> RE: Hobby Lobby Sr. Telemaster ARF (5/8/2006 10:24:35 PM)

Good story Al. I crashed my Telemaster in exactly the same way last monday, but I was only about 12 feet high, it is allready fixed and will fly next week end. Dinner in the best restaurant in Panama, with wine included is less than $75.00 and you can have dinner in a nice restaurant with a bottle of good California Chilean or Argentinean wine for less than $50.00 and that is for two people in either restaurant. So your loss would have been two dinners worth in my country. After the crash last monday I invited four guys from our Club for dinner and drinks, we had dinner with a bottle of wine and drank rum and cokes afterwards from 4PM trough 9PM, and the bill was $130.00 hows that for a cheap country to live inn?



algutkin -> RE: Hobby Lobby Sr. Telemaster ARF (5/9/2006 12:48:43 AM)

Heck, it sounds like it's a good group you have there in Panama. That what this hobby is all about, flying, crashing, wine, celebrating, bragging, men only. Ooooops, what did I say?

Al



MikeFreas -> RE: Hobby Lobby Sr. Telemaster ARF (5/9/2006 3:40:42 AM)

The link is not working anymore. Any chance of getting that loaded again?



algutkin -> RE: Hobby Lobby Sr. Telemaster ARF (5/9/2006 5:01:47 AM)

Mike,

The video and the link is working tonight. Sometimes Putfile gets busy and the links won't work.

http://media.putfile.com/Telemaster-1st-Video

Al



Calixto -> RE: Hobby Lobby Sr. Telemaster ARF (5/9/2006 3:39:33 PM)

Yessss...... we do that.
Calixto



flyifr -> RE: Hobby Lobby Sr. Telemaster ARF (5/10/2006 12:12:50 AM)

Al, you have some real fun with your Rc'ing, glad to hear it. I take the same basis attitude, it is only a hobby, go loose a dozen good golf balls, rent a cart, pay the fees and you have another plane ! Thanks for the info on the tape and the camera. I have a bid on one on ebay as well, used and unless something changes will pick it up for under $100. Maybe I can get my TM out one afternoon this week to fly. Tough to finish a plane and look at it for a week and not test fly it. Take care guys...next peep out of me will be the Hemi Saito 180 and TM flight report.

Butch



algutkin -> RE: Hobby Lobby Sr. Telemaster ARF (5/10/2006 12:53:01 AM)

Hey Butch,

We want a picture of your starter, never mind the plane. It must take two people to hold the starter and three more to hold the plane, and one more to handle the jumper cables to the twin batteries. Hemi is the right name, be carfull, you might just blow the wings off that baby.

Let us not forget Butch, the Senion Telemaster is just a big sissy. It was made especially for us non 3D guys. You know, easy does it, gentle, power off landings etc. There are just too many pieces to pick up if it goes in, save your back, take off fast, fly slow, and dont' forget, land even slower. When you come in for your first landing, don't announce "LANDING", you're just kidding yourself, it's not going to land the first time, after two or more aborted attempts you might get the hang of it. I just yell, "LANDING" real loud, then I follow it up with "NOT AT THIS AIRPORT"

Al



flyifr -> RE: Hobby Lobby Sr. Telemaster ARF (5/10/2006 10:37:41 AM)

LOL....I hear that Al.....yeah you can forget the electric starter on the Saito 180....but with the rotations full throttle for prime, hook up the glow plug driver, and chicken stick it with a broom stick ( not getting my hand any closer to the prop than that) and it starts first flip.

Butch



Calixto -> RE: Hobby Lobby Sr. Telemaster ARF (5/10/2006 2:46:54 PM)

Butch, for your test flight remember THROTLE MANAGEMENT, you got more then twice the power than mine with a .91 Magnum four stroke, and that thing will climb out of sight at an 80ยบ angle with a 15x5 prop and 25% nitro, you should use a very shallow pitch large prop, preferably something wide with a 5 or less pitch, you don`t want a lot of speed on that airplane.
Caixto



flyifr -> RE: Hobby Lobby Sr. Telemaster ARF (5/10/2006 11:35:58 PM)

Thanks for the recommendation Calixto. I have a 16x8 APC on it at the moment, anything longer and I have a chance for prop strike. My plan is get the tail flying, ease up on the elevator, apply a touch more power and stop with the throttle. My guess is I will put a smaller engine on it after a few flights with the 180.



kihei11 -> RE: Hobby Lobby Sr. Telemaster ARF (5/11/2006 5:49:32 AM)

Hey Guys, I ordered my senior telemaster and just have to pick it up at the flying club this weekend
anyway a few questions. I ordered the exact motor esc ultimate bec and 14x 10 prop from hobby lobby. this my first Brushless. Anyway I'm running Nimh batery packs I already have they're 8cell 3000 s
Would it be alright to run 2 10cell packs, with this combo too? I have 2 Great planes 1900scr thrust packs? Would it be alright to run one of these 10 cells with a pirana 1900 6 cell pack too. I have new 8 cell packs on order but I'm sure I won't be able to wait to fly this plane. I already made a triangle harness to run two packs. Thanks, Randy



algutkin -> RE: Hobby Lobby Sr. Telemaster ARF (5/11/2006 2:54:16 PM)

I am running 6 Lipos in series, putting out roughly 20 volts to a 4130 Axi, 14X10 prop. If you use 2 ten cell packs of NIMH or even 18 cells in series, you should be OK. However, I would not run out and buy NIMH batteries to power the big bird. Before you buy any more batteries, I would rig up your existing batteries in series and do a bench test to see how long they would power that motor. I have a gut feel that tells me the batt/motor combo will not run very long.

If you log into fmadirect.com, and click on monthly specials, you will find 3S Lipos on sale for 23 bucks a pack, 1500 mah. I bought tons of these and I have rigged them in series and parallel to power the Telemaster. When you compare prices, this is the way to go.

Al



Calixto -> RE: Hobby Lobby Sr. Telemaster ARF (5/11/2006 3:34:55 PM)

Butch.

Take some pictures and post them before the flight, and in flight, with that engine the tail will come up before you start it. I bet it will look like a Toyota Corolla with a Caterpillar D9 engine on it.
Calixto



flyifr -> RE: Hobby Lobby Sr. Telemaster ARF (5/12/2006 12:31:37 AM)

Calixto, I will do that ie: pictures. I may have a problem. With that big butt engine, the carb is waaaay higher than the tank. I just took it out back and primed it and as soon as I took my finger off the muffler, the fuel left the line and ran back in the tank and left the line dry. Now this might not be a problem if I could spin the engine with an electric starter, but the one I have will not turn the hemi over. No way to get around this except to invert the engine I guess, or mount the tank on top of the compartment with rubber bands < GRIN >. Now that would look trashy for sure. BTW, I just picked up the same Panasonic AV-25 D Snap that Al is using and some others from Ubid, new for $110 plus reasonable shipping, believe total was $123. Look there as well as ole Ebay for deals if you never have tried it.

Butch

PS: weather is just not allowing me to fly this thing...today was 30mph winds....don't say it, no not on the first flight !



Calixto -> RE: Hobby Lobby Sr. Telemaster ARF (5/12/2006 4:09:30 PM)

Butch, have someone else hold the airplane while you flip the prop and cover the exhaust with your finger (dangerous but I have done it) I have access to an AV-100 trough a club member that works for Panasonic, for me it is kind of complicated to buy trough e-bay becouse I live outside the US , and my son had a very bad experience buying a set of drums trough e-bay that he paid for and never received them.
Looking forward to those pictures, please take them before you mount the tank on top of the compartment. Have to say it "you have enough power to fly trough a tornado".
Calixto



algutkin -> RE: Hobby Lobby Sr. Telemaster ARF (5/13/2006 3:20:39 AM)

Butch,

I just came back from TGIF dinner with my wife, so, if I am slurring my speech you will understand.

I read your post and I don't like what I read. I am tapping my technical memory right now, but, if you got fuel to the carb, the engine is primed and should start. When it starts, the exhaust will provide the pressure to get the fuel to the carb to enable it to continue. Of course, the fuel tank location is important, the but system is not gravity feed.

I have not seen a nitro engine that starts quickly by proping it by hand, nitros need a starter, weed whckers have electronic ignition and seem to start easier. I never ever, in the past 35 years, have ever had a gas or nitro motor that started by hand. They just plain, hate me. You need an electric starter and another helper to hold the plane.

Lecture follows:

Your nick name, flyifr, should define your personalty. You wouldn't fly a full sized plane in a half assed manner, especially IFR, why screw with this Telemaster that way. Don't rush anything, there are hardly any viewers in this thread, you don't have to perform or show off. Take your time and make sure that the setup is safe, make sure that you have the proper tools and starter, and test run the whole setup at home, or at a private location close to home. Best way to debug the setup, is to do it in private. Too many experts and outside opinions just help to muddle up a simple situation.

When the wine wears off, I will repeat the same lecture.

Hey, I found some neet VCR tapes of who I used to be, really neat stuff with full sized airplanes, stay tuned. I have to convert the VCRs to DVD, then edit and upload. I have fun with my mouth, but, never take chances in the real world.

Al



Calixto -> RE: Hobby Lobby Sr. Telemaster ARF (5/13/2006 2:36:50 PM)

HI Al.

You must have had a lot of crappy engines, no wonder you changed to electrics, no problems starting those. All my nitro engines start easily by fliping the prop, I use a starter for safety only, I use a starter even on the big gas engines with electronic ignition.
Looking forward to those old videos.
Calixto



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